Detecting language using up to the first 30 seconds. Use `--language` to specify the language Detected language: English [00:00.000 --> 00:04.640] The vast majority of presentations I've done on this channel, especially over the last [00:04.640 --> 00:09.880] 20 months, have relied on facts, data, and evidence. [00:09.880 --> 00:11.480] Evidence can mean different things. [00:11.480 --> 00:14.880] For instance, in the scientific realm, it might mean something a little bit different [00:14.880 --> 00:16.840] than it would mean in the legal realm. [00:16.840 --> 00:21.000] However, I think it's a generalized statement that most of us can agree with. [00:21.000 --> 00:29.160] In the complete absence of evidence, it is unethical, improper to say that something [00:29.160 --> 00:30.160] is true. [00:30.160 --> 00:36.720] And, of course, when we talk about evidence, it has to be credible evidence. [00:36.720 --> 00:43.480] That's what we're going to look at today. [00:43.480 --> 00:55.080] The Dr. Reality Vodcast with Dave Champion. [00:55.080 --> 01:00.440] Early in 2021, Eric Kummer, a former employee of Dominion Voting Systems, filed a defamation [01:00.440 --> 01:04.000] suit against a number of people, including Rudy Giuliani. [01:04.000 --> 01:07.880] On August 14th, Giuliani sat for a deposition. [01:07.880 --> 01:10.880] He gave testimony under oath. [01:10.880 --> 01:14.160] So what did he have to say? [01:14.160 --> 01:19.080] Before I share with you what Giuliani said back after the November 2020 election, and [01:19.080 --> 01:24.600] then what he said in the deposition, I want to make clear this is not the defamation suit [01:24.600 --> 01:27.560] by Dominion Voting Systems against Rudy Giuliani. [01:27.560 --> 01:31.560] This is brought privately by Eric Kummer. [01:31.560 --> 01:35.240] That said, I think this is going to be a weathervane of what you're going to see in the primary [01:35.240 --> 01:40.680] Dominion Voting Systems v. Giuliani suit that's going to be coming up here in a little while [01:40.680 --> 01:43.440] in terms of depositions taking place. [01:43.440 --> 01:51.480] But concerning Eric Kummer, Giuliani, at a press conference attended by the World's Press, [01:51.480 --> 02:01.680] he said that Kummer had participated in an Antifa conference call and that on that conference [02:01.680 --> 02:07.840] call, Kummer said that as a Dominion employee, he had rigged Dominion's voting machines [02:07.840 --> 02:10.760] to flip votes from Trump to Biden. [02:10.760 --> 02:15.400] Obviously, that's a pretty weighty accusation, right? [02:15.400 --> 02:20.980] For what you'd want to have a basket full of evidence to support it, unless one happens [02:20.980 --> 02:23.740] to like being sued for defamation. [02:23.740 --> 02:30.700] This was a completely fake story, originated by podcaster Joseph Altman, and once Altman [02:30.700 --> 02:37.020] said it on his podcast, it exploded, and of course, the common man didn't bother any [02:37.020 --> 02:42.080] more than Giuliani did to ask Altman where he got that information. [02:42.080 --> 02:47.980] It was enough that Altman said, this is the evidence that the election was rigged and [02:47.980 --> 02:51.540] Donald Trump was robbed and Biden is not a legitimate president. [02:51.540 --> 02:57.500] Just the fact that Altman said it on the podcast, that was sufficient, and social media blew [02:57.500 --> 03:00.900] up with this story fabricated by Altman. [03:00.900 --> 03:08.900] And that brings us to what Kummer's attorney asked Giuliani under oath during the deposition. [03:08.900 --> 03:15.300] When Kummer's attorney asked Giuliani from where he had gotten this narrative, this story, [03:15.300 --> 03:21.620] He said he thought it was Facebook, and we all know that stuff that people post on Facebook, [03:21.620 --> 03:25.700] the users, whatever they post is 100% credible, right? [03:25.700 --> 03:31.840] Giuliani went on to say that he wasn't really sure it was Facebook, it could have been Facebook, [03:31.840 --> 03:36.540] he thought it was Facebook, but into his mind, all those social media platforms sort of blend [03:36.540 --> 03:42.420] together, so to the best of his recollection, he picked that story up off of Facebook. [03:42.580 --> 03:47.140] Kummer's attorney then asked Giuliani what amount of research he had done to attempt [03:47.140 --> 03:52.060] to verify the story, to attempt to determine whether or not it was social media BS or whether [03:52.060 --> 03:58.620] it was factual, to which Giuliani responded, no, he hadn't done any of that. [03:58.620 --> 04:03.380] At the original press conference where Giuliani accused Kummer of these things, which gave [04:03.380 --> 04:09.780] rise to the defamation suit, Giuliani told the assembled media of the world that this [04:09.780 --> 04:13.580] was from credible sources. [04:13.580 --> 04:20.100] So during the deposition, Kummer's attorney asked Giuliani if there were any credible [04:20.100 --> 04:25.620] sources, if there was any other source than Giuliani seeing this, perhaps, to the best [04:25.620 --> 04:33.620] of his recollection, on Facebook, Giuliani said no, there was no additional information, [04:33.620 --> 04:37.740] there was nothing credible, it was just some guy's post on Facebook. [04:37.780 --> 04:41.020] If you've been paying attention to the things that Giuliani has been saying for roughly [04:41.020 --> 04:46.100] the last two and a half to three years, you know that he says a lot of things that just [04:46.100 --> 04:49.820] you scratch your head and say, did he really say that out loud? [04:49.820 --> 04:51.420] Did that help his client? [04:51.420 --> 04:52.420] What's going on? [04:52.420 --> 04:55.980] I mean, that's disadvantageous to his client to come out and say that. [04:55.980 --> 05:00.860] He said a lot of crazy things that you would think a highly trained and highly experienced [05:00.860 --> 05:05.660] attorney would not say, yet Giuliani has said a lot of those kind of things and he did that [05:05.660 --> 05:11.580] yet again at the deposition when he explained to Kummer's counsel that he didn't have [05:11.580 --> 05:17.180] time to verify whether or not it was true because you want the media to run these stories [05:17.180 --> 05:21.340] and if you take the time to investigate whether or not some claim you see on Facebook is actually [05:21.340 --> 05:25.500] true, if you take that time, then you lose that opportunity and the media won't print [05:25.500 --> 05:26.780] the story. [05:26.780 --> 05:31.860] And so, that's one of the many, many things that Giuliani has said that makes no sense. [05:31.860 --> 05:37.220] Fitting giving testimony under oath at a deposition in a defamation case, you would [05:37.220 --> 05:42.860] not want to tell the opposition that you didn't bother to find out if it was factual because [05:42.860 --> 05:48.520] you needed it, factual or not, to get out to the media right now. [05:48.520 --> 05:51.740] If there was something that you could say during the deposition of a defamation case [05:51.740 --> 05:57.220] to make sure that you get nailed to the wall for defamation and the judgment is significant, [05:58.180 --> 06:02.260] That's one of the things that you would say if that's the outcome you wanted. [06:02.260 --> 06:07.940] Kummer's also suing One American News Network and Newsmax and other large media outlets [06:07.940 --> 06:15.660] who simply repeated as factual what Giuliani said, which is just so amazing to me because [06:15.660 --> 06:20.140] we've all seen the following sentence in articles, we'll use Newsmax as an example, I'm not picking [06:20.140 --> 06:25.340] on them, we'll just use them as an example, they'll quote somebody and then they'll say [06:25.340 --> 06:31.740] Newsmax has been unable to independently verify this story fact, what have you, right? [06:31.740 --> 06:33.460] We've all seen that in stories. [06:33.460 --> 06:39.640] Not one of these news outlets put that disclaimer when they said Kummer did this, Kummer was [06:39.640 --> 06:44.420] on this call, Kummer told people openly on a conference call that he was rigging the [06:44.420 --> 06:50.900] election, by the way, there's no evidence that this alleged Antifa conference call ever [06:50.900 --> 06:55.740] happened and there is zero evidence, if any call between maybe a couple of handful of [06:55.740 --> 07:00.900] people who, I don't know, maybe they identify as Antifa, they say that out in public, maybe [07:00.900 --> 07:05.820] if there was such a call, there's zero evidence that Kummer was on such a call. [07:05.820 --> 07:10.060] And that brings us around to my earlier comments, if you have no evidence, you simply do not [07:10.060 --> 07:15.300] come out and say this is true, this happened, which is exactly what Giuliani did and exactly [07:15.300 --> 07:18.500] what he's getting sued now for defamation for. [07:18.500 --> 07:24.420] In the months after the election, as these widespread coordinated election fraud stories [07:24.420 --> 07:30.500] took off in a certain segment of the population, I repeated time and time again, I said, look, [07:30.500 --> 07:34.060] there's a difference between what somebody says when they're being interviewed, what [07:34.060 --> 07:39.780] they say in a press conference, what they'll say in a podcast, what they'll put up on YouTube [07:39.780 --> 07:48.580] versus what they'll say when they get sworn in in a courtroom, and if they lie there, [07:48.580 --> 07:52.900] they're going to jail for perjury, which is a felony in virtually every single jurisdiction. [07:52.900 --> 07:55.980] I pointed out to people, because people say, look at this, what they're supposed to put [07:55.980 --> 08:00.740] up on YouTube, or look at this on Twitter, or look at this guy's website, and I'm like, [08:00.740 --> 08:08.580] it doesn't matter, because if these people had evidence, again, the theme of this presentation, [08:08.580 --> 08:13.320] if people had evidence, they'd be going, oh, me, me, me, me, me, me, trying to get [08:13.320 --> 08:16.500] in line to give testimony under oath in court. [08:16.500 --> 08:17.700] How many of them are? [08:17.700 --> 08:18.700] Zero. [08:18.700 --> 08:19.700] Why? [08:19.700 --> 08:20.700] Because they don't want to go to prison. [08:20.700 --> 08:21.940] They were lying in the first place. [08:21.940 --> 08:29.220] In this deposition, Giuliani admitted he had no credible evidence concerning Eric Kumher [08:29.220 --> 08:36.380] and the claim that Eric Kumher, working for Dominion, had altered the voting machines [08:36.380 --> 08:38.180] to flip votes from Donald Trump to Biden. [08:38.540 --> 08:41.340] He had absolutely no credible evidence. [08:41.340 --> 08:44.860] He admitted that in the August 14th deposition. [08:44.860 --> 08:48.780] Now, I hope people are learning something as they're hearing this reality. [08:48.780 --> 08:51.460] By the way, you can go out on the internet and find the deposition that's out there, [08:51.460 --> 08:53.420] so you don't have to take my word for any of this. [08:53.420 --> 08:57.860] For those of you who do not want to give this up, you feel passionate, you have to cling [08:57.860 --> 09:02.120] to this narrative no matter how little evidence there is, hopefully you'll learn something [09:02.120 --> 09:03.120] in what's coming. [09:03.120 --> 09:04.380] Let me explain what I mean. [09:04.380 --> 09:12.540] The primary Dominion defamation suit involving Giuliani, involving Sidney Powell, involving [09:12.540 --> 09:17.980] Mike Lindell, these are all coming up to the deposition phase very soon. [09:17.980 --> 09:24.300] And you're going to see there the exact same thing you just saw in the testimony I'm sharing [09:24.300 --> 09:26.100] with you today. [09:26.100 --> 09:30.900] These defendants are going to sit down under oath with plaintiffs council and they're going [09:30.900 --> 09:31.900] to say the same thing. [09:31.980 --> 09:36.340] They're going to say, I got some information off the internet or somebody sent me an email [09:36.340 --> 09:39.420] or blah, blah, blah, whatever, right? [09:39.420 --> 09:40.660] And they're going to use the same dodge. [09:40.660 --> 09:43.780] Well, I didn't have the time or opportunity to verify. [09:43.780 --> 09:45.940] We were moving along at a clip. [09:45.940 --> 09:47.620] There were things we needed to get done. [09:47.620 --> 09:52.580] So when somebody told us something we didn't bother to verify and we didn't care if it [09:52.580 --> 09:57.660] was credible, we just needed to move on with our agenda, even if it was 100% false. [09:57.660 --> 10:02.820] And even if we defamed a person or a business, that's what you're going to hear in their [10:02.820 --> 10:03.820] testimony. [10:03.820 --> 10:07.740] We already had a preview of this with Sidney Powell when in one of the first motions to [10:07.740 --> 10:14.380] dismiss the defamation action against Powell, Powell's attorney said no rational person [10:14.380 --> 10:19.340] could have believed that she was presenting something as truthful, as factual. [10:19.340 --> 10:23.660] So they're already going down this road and you're going to see every single one of these [10:24.660 --> 10:29.380] sit down under oath, which is different than what you've heard from Sidney Powell so far. [10:29.380 --> 10:32.020] It's different from what you heard from Giuliani back then. [10:32.020 --> 10:36.580] It's different from what Mike Lindell is running around with all these ridiculous speeches [10:36.580 --> 10:41.860] he's giving sitting down with counsel under oath at a deposition. [10:41.860 --> 10:47.580] You're going to finally hear the truth from these people that they don't have anything [10:47.580 --> 10:48.580] credible. [10:49.500 --> 10:54.660] Now, I would like to think that when you take all of these people who are the main promoters [10:54.660 --> 11:01.080] of these falsehoods and you see their testimony under oath when they say, no, we didn't know [11:01.080 --> 11:02.080] it was credible. [11:02.080 --> 11:03.080] We didn't verify it. [11:03.080 --> 11:06.780] We didn't reach out to the people who we were accusing publicly. [11:06.780 --> 11:10.160] We didn't do any of these things because we were just we were in such a rush. [11:10.160 --> 11:11.520] We didn't care whether it was true or not. [11:11.520 --> 11:16.160] We just needed the headlines, which is essentially what Giuliani said during his deposition. [11:16.160 --> 11:17.900] You're going to hear this time and again. [11:17.900 --> 11:24.580] And these defendants are going to get hammered in these cases and the judgments are going [11:24.580 --> 11:26.900] to be huge. [11:26.900 --> 11:32.500] That said, as sure as I'm sitting here, there are going to be people who no matter how many [11:32.500 --> 11:36.540] of these people who got up and said this, that and the other about the whole widespread [11:36.540 --> 11:40.820] coordinated election fraud, fake narrative, it doesn't matter how many people who are [11:40.820 --> 11:44.220] spreading that publicly on behalf of Donald Trump, how many of them get up and say we [11:44.220 --> 11:46.260] didn't have any credible evidence? [11:46.260 --> 11:49.340] We just said shit because, well, we wanted headlines. [11:49.340 --> 11:54.260] No matter how many of these people get up and say this, I know there's going to be people [11:54.260 --> 12:02.620] who simply are emotionally unwilling to let it go, even though no evidence exists. [12:02.620 --> 12:11.040] I mean, Donald Trump and his surrogates, I think it was a total of like 63 or 64 cases. [12:11.040 --> 12:18.080] But the ones that were primarily based on the claim of widespread coordinated election [12:18.080 --> 12:23.660] fraud, I think it was like 58 of those brought by either Trump or surrogates, people representing [12:23.660 --> 12:26.920] Trump like say a state Republican party and so forth. [12:26.920 --> 12:32.880] Not one of those, not one of those 58 cases, how many fleets of attorneys? [12:32.880 --> 12:35.440] Not one of them presented any credible evidence to a court. [12:35.440 --> 12:40.600] Now you're going to see the same thing go down in the defamation suit. [12:40.600 --> 12:46.880] I'm hoping that people will let it go and return to a rational frame of mind. [12:46.880 --> 12:51.200] Not everything that's pitched by the media or the establishment or even society at large, [12:51.200 --> 12:55.160] as some sort of conspiracy theory is actually wrong. [12:55.160 --> 13:01.100] An example of that would be the truth about the income tax, that the narrative that's [13:01.100 --> 13:08.440] promoted by the establishment, by the media, by exposits or just ordinary citizens in society [13:08.600 --> 13:14.160] is that if you earn money in America, you owe the government some, which is a complete [13:14.160 --> 13:19.320] and utter falsehood, just it couldn't be more false. [13:19.320 --> 13:25.240] But when a lie has been circulating long enough, not only do people believe it, but they become [13:25.240 --> 13:27.300] emotionally invested in it. [13:27.300 --> 13:31.520] If you're an American citizen living in one of the 50 states, getting up in the morning, [13:31.520 --> 13:34.680] having a cup of coffee, going to take the kids to school, going off to work, earning [13:34.680 --> 13:40.040] your own domestic source income, how many statutes or regulations, treasury orders, [13:40.040 --> 13:45.480] treasury decisions, or any documents promulgated by Congress, the IRS, the treasury department [13:45.480 --> 13:49.480] since 1913 when the income tax laws were passed and signed it all. [13:49.480 --> 13:55.360] So how many of those authoritative government writings that I just spiel off, how many of [13:55.360 --> 13:58.640] them say an American citizen living or working in one of the 50 states earning his own, his [13:58.640 --> 14:03.280] or her own domestic source income owes anything to the government? [14:04.160 --> 14:05.480] That would be zero. [14:05.480 --> 14:12.480] So if you'd like to find out the facts, data, and evidence about that, which has blown people's [14:12.480 --> 14:17.040] mind for the last almost 12 years now since Income Tax Shattering the Mist came out, I'm [14:17.040 --> 14:21.640] going to encourage you to go to DrReality.News, get yourself a copy of Income Tax Shattering [14:21.640 --> 14:22.640] the Mist. [14:22.640 --> 14:24.240] You have my word. [14:24.240 --> 14:27.800] When you close that final page, no matter what you choose to do with the information, [14:27.800 --> 14:34.760] when you close that final page, you'll say, holy crap, everyone in my entire life has [14:34.760 --> 14:40.160] told me, don't believe this stuff, the income tax applies to everybody, don't believe it. [14:40.160 --> 14:46.200] When you close the final page of that book, you'll be like, wow, all that stuff that everybody [14:46.200 --> 14:50.000] I've known my entire life has told me, don't believe it, it's not true, you'll be like, [14:50.000 --> 14:51.000] it is true. [14:51.000 --> 14:55.640] Because you'll see with your own eyes, 1913 forward, all the documents are all consistent, [14:55.640 --> 14:57.360] they all say the same thing. [14:57.360 --> 15:01.000] So what's the difference between someone like me and the people who say, I don't believe [15:01.000 --> 15:02.000] that, that's false? [15:02.000 --> 15:08.920] Yeah, it's, in my case, 27 years of research and 17 of those years of research took place [15:08.920 --> 15:11.140] before I wrote Income Tax Shattering the Mist. [15:11.140 --> 15:15.200] So the difference is, yeah, you'll see it for yourself when you read it, there'll be [15:15.200 --> 15:16.200] no question. [15:16.200 --> 15:19.440] Like I said, you'll close the final page, you're like, there is no doubt, zero doubt [15:19.440 --> 15:24.080] in my mind that you'll say to yourself that I owe income tax. [15:24.080 --> 15:29.000] And while you're there, at DrReality.News, grab a copy of Body Science, people have the [15:29.000 --> 15:30.000] same experience. [15:30.000 --> 15:34.520] They get through it and they find out that all of the crap they've been told by society [15:34.520 --> 15:38.440] and media and government for their whole lives, it's wrong, that's not how your body operates. [15:38.440 --> 15:45.080] And again, I tell people, never believe me, do not believe me, right, Giuliani should [15:45.080 --> 15:50.160] have said that, but do not believe me, facts, data and evidence, and you'll find it there [15:50.160 --> 15:52.400] for Body Science as well. [15:52.880 --> 15:57.000] By getting that fantastic information, which if you let it, will change your life, it also [15:57.000 --> 15:59.360] helps me be here for you. [15:59.360 --> 15:59.860] Thank you.