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[00:00.000 --> 00:02.360]  Welcome to the show.
[00:02.360 --> 00:04.520]  Today, we're going to do something that is
[00:04.520 --> 00:08.920]  a huge departure from anything you've ever seen me do here before.
[00:08.920 --> 00:11.360]  Normally, the presentations,
[00:11.360 --> 00:13.200]  there's copious notes,
[00:13.200 --> 00:16.320]  and I take you from A to Z on a topic,
[00:16.320 --> 00:17.720]  and we get the fact, state, and evidence,
[00:17.720 --> 00:18.800]  and we get to the very end,
[00:18.800 --> 00:21.720]  and then we take conclusions and we talk about what all this means.
[00:21.720 --> 00:24.400]  Today, we're going to do something completely different.
[00:24.400 --> 00:28.480]  First of all, I want to let you know that I have zero preparation for today.
[00:28.520 --> 00:30.640]  I have zero notes about today.
[00:30.640 --> 00:32.880]  This is all completely off the cuff.
[00:32.880 --> 00:35.040]  And if that isn't odd enough,
[00:35.040 --> 00:37.320]  I'm also going to bring on a guest today,
[00:37.320 --> 00:38.800]  and his name is Ernie Falcon.
[00:38.800 --> 00:44.080]  We've been friends for, gosh, I don't know, maybe 25 years now.
[00:47.320 --> 00:53.320]  I don't have a huge amount of respect for a lot of people.
[00:53.320 --> 00:56.480]  And, you know, I believe that everybody should be treated with dignity,
[00:56.480 --> 01:01.160]  but that doesn't mean I have to respect every person.
[01:01.160 --> 01:04.920]  And in fact, if I want to be completely forthright,
[01:04.920 --> 01:08.160]  I don't have a huge amount of respect for most people.
[01:08.160 --> 01:12.240]  The people for whom I have a tremendous amount of respect
[01:12.240 --> 01:14.920]  can probably be counted on one hand.
[01:14.920 --> 01:17.560]  And my guest today, Ernie Falcon,
[01:17.560 --> 01:24.720]  is one of those people that appears on just one hand.
[01:24.800 --> 01:28.680]  And it's because of the way he thinks and where his priorities lie,
[01:28.680 --> 01:30.600]  and of course, his intellect.
[01:30.600 --> 01:33.520]  And we were having a conversation not long ago,
[01:33.520 --> 01:37.240]  and we were kicking around a lot of things that I thought were...
[01:37.240 --> 01:40.040]  I don't want to over-sell this,
[01:40.040 --> 01:44.200]  but I'm going to say I thought a lot of the thoughts were profound
[01:44.200 --> 01:47.760]  in terms of where our country is today
[01:47.760 --> 01:50.440]  and what at least Ernie and I are seeing out there.
[01:50.440 --> 01:53.680]  And at the conclusion of our conversation, I told Ernie,
[01:53.680 --> 01:57.280]  I said, you know, these conversations are great,
[01:57.280 --> 01:58.560]  but they're between you and I.
[01:58.560 --> 02:01.520]  And in a sense, we're preaching to the choir
[02:01.520 --> 02:07.000]  because Ernie and I share a very common point of view,
[02:07.000 --> 02:10.280]  not identical, but very, very similar.
[02:10.280 --> 02:13.600]  And I said, so you and I, we're picking these things back and forth,
[02:13.600 --> 02:16.000]  and we're enjoying each other's company,
[02:16.000 --> 02:17.360]  and then we hang up the phone.
[02:17.360 --> 02:20.200]  And what have we done for anybody else during that period of time?
[02:20.240 --> 02:24.760]  So today, we're going to have another conversation right off the cuff,
[02:24.760 --> 02:30.160]  but we're just going to let you watch or listen in on that conversation.
[02:30.160 --> 02:34.640]  Now, before we get started, I want to tell you a little bit about Ernie.
[02:34.640 --> 02:39.880]  Ernie is a marketing professional and has been for decades.
[02:39.880 --> 02:42.800]  He's incredibly talented in that area.
[02:42.800 --> 02:47.440]  So it probably isn't a surprise to you that for going on about 20 years,
[02:47.440 --> 02:56.800]  Ernie has studied propaganda and its impact on populations, on society.
[02:56.800 --> 02:59.640]  And of course, whenever you look at the subject of propaganda
[02:59.640 --> 03:04.480]  and how it influences broad swaths of the population,
[03:04.480 --> 03:10.200]  you must, of necessity, have a strong understanding of psychology.
[03:10.200 --> 03:11.480]  And that Ernie does.
[03:11.480 --> 03:15.400]  He spent a lot of time studying psychology.
[03:15.400 --> 03:21.080]  So that blushes out for you, at least as far as we can go in this description
[03:21.080 --> 03:24.320]  in the intro, who Ernie is.
[03:24.320 --> 03:28.400]  Anything else that you learned about Ernie during the course of this call
[03:28.400 --> 03:34.440]  or anything new you may discover about me during the course of this Zoom
[03:34.440 --> 03:39.240]  meeting that he and I are having together and we're letting you in on it,
[03:39.240 --> 03:41.440]  anything else you learn about him or about me
[03:41.440 --> 03:47.560]  is going to be by virtue of this conversation between he and I.
[03:47.560 --> 03:48.520]  Never done it before.
[03:48.520 --> 03:49.880]  Like I said, completely novel.
[03:49.880 --> 03:53.320]  I hope it has some value for you.
[03:53.320 --> 03:55.560]  Ernie, how you doing, buddy?
[03:55.560 --> 03:59.560]  Dave, thank you so much for that fabulous introduction.
[03:59.560 --> 04:02.160]  Yeah, our conversations that we've had over the years,
[04:02.160 --> 04:04.080]  we've covered a lot of areas.
[04:04.080 --> 04:08.800]  But this most recent one we know is very near and dear to our hearts.
[04:08.800 --> 04:12.400]  But I think it's because it's so near and dear to the fabric
[04:12.400 --> 04:17.320]  of the individual human being from our very beginning.
[04:17.320 --> 04:22.960]  So as we look back as far as we can in history, philosophers, poets,
[04:22.960 --> 04:28.520]  and the oppressed, of course, have spoken or have written about their desire
[04:28.520 --> 04:32.160]  to be free, to experience true liberty.
[04:32.160 --> 04:35.920]  And then we think of quotes from Voltaire who
[04:35.920 --> 04:41.360]  talks about the fool who reveres their own chains.
[04:41.360 --> 04:43.560]  They don't even know that they're enslaved,
[04:43.560 --> 04:49.480]  and yet that's part of the deception that we look at when we look at propagandists
[04:49.480 --> 04:56.160]  and their agenda to keep people deceived into believing that they are free.
[04:56.160 --> 04:59.360]  So Dave, when I was talking about it as I've been making notes
[04:59.360 --> 05:04.720]  about reclaiming one's authority, of course, you always come to mind.
[05:04.720 --> 05:08.960]  You've been an incredible part of my personal journey, Dave.
[05:08.960 --> 05:11.520]  The book Income Tax Shattering the Myths, of course,
[05:11.520 --> 05:14.440]  I've known you since before that book was completed.
[05:14.440 --> 05:18.360]  As I listened to your podcast, as we met down at Front Sight,
[05:18.360 --> 05:22.680]  and we've had a relationship even before, again, that book,
[05:22.680 --> 05:27.160]  which of course predates your book Body Science, which again,
[05:27.160 --> 05:32.960]  is another level of liberating oneself from the agenda
[05:32.960 --> 05:35.680]  and propaganda about what nutrition is.
[05:35.680 --> 05:39.160]  So, Dave, I just want to thank you again for being a part of my journey
[05:39.160 --> 05:44.840]  and helping me think at greater depths to cut through the bullshit
[05:44.840 --> 05:52.240]  of what we've been fed and really accept for ourselves that it's our responsibility
[05:52.240 --> 05:57.440]  to know what freedom is and to dig even deeper to make sure that we know
[05:57.440 --> 06:01.800]  that we're still not just accepting someone's agenda.
[06:01.800 --> 06:05.080]  You know, it's interesting, the color of freedom.
[06:05.080 --> 06:09.240]  When we look at the United States and our political,
[06:09.240 --> 06:14.680]  the two-party system in and of itself is this color and illusion of choice.
[06:14.680 --> 06:18.360]  And so, you know, there's a lot of other areas that we can cover
[06:18.360 --> 06:23.840]  and we will throughout this conversation,
[06:23.840 --> 06:28.760]  but we can see it surrounding us everywhere in the political scene,
[06:28.760 --> 06:32.200]  even though that's not the purpose of this conversation,
[06:32.200 --> 06:37.720]  but freedom or our own individual liberty is being challenged
[06:37.720 --> 06:41.920]  or we're being deceived to accept a different reality
[06:41.920 --> 06:43.680]  than what our true potentiality is.
[06:43.680 --> 06:48.320]  And so, that's what we want to uncover.
[06:48.320 --> 06:49.480]  Very well said.
[06:49.480 --> 06:51.200]  By the way, thank you for the words about body science.
[06:51.200 --> 06:56.440]  That may be one of the most meaningful descriptions of body science
[06:56.480 --> 06:58.520]  that I've ever heard.
[06:58.520 --> 07:03.640]  When you said those words, body science is this, that, and the other,
[07:03.640 --> 07:05.840]  it really struck a chord.
[07:05.840 --> 07:07.640]  So, thank you for that compliment about body science.
[07:07.640 --> 07:09.960]  It means a lot to me.
[07:09.960 --> 07:15.800]  I think one of the things that I want to let the audience in on
[07:15.800 --> 07:23.720]  is that a huge part of this discussion as we proceed is going to talk about...
[07:23.720 --> 07:27.240]  Sorry, I'll turn this volume off on my laptop in a moment.
[07:29.840 --> 07:36.600]  A huge part of this conversation and the message of this conversation
[07:36.600 --> 07:40.840]  is not going to be focused on what the government or various industries
[07:40.840 --> 07:44.960]  or if we can take all of that and wrap it up in the phrase, the establishment.
[07:44.960 --> 07:46.720]  Not so much about what the establishment is doing,
[07:46.720 --> 07:51.400]  because I think a lot of people are very clear on what the establishment is doing
[07:51.400 --> 07:53.000]  in a very negative sense.
[07:53.040 --> 07:56.480]  They're very clear on the negative things that the establishment is doing
[07:56.480 --> 08:01.400]  to our society, to our citizens, to our culture, and so forth.
[08:01.400 --> 08:06.480]  I think there are a lot of people, their antennae are up and they get it.
[08:06.480 --> 08:13.640]  A big part of this conversation is going to be what happens from there.
[08:13.640 --> 08:17.360]  And you and I, in our last conversation, and I'm sure we'll retract a lot of this
[08:17.360 --> 08:30.760]  again, a lot of what we talked about is why the American people are not taking action.
[08:32.280 --> 08:41.640]  I think social media provides a wonderful platform for people to vent and do nothing.
[08:42.160 --> 08:47.440]  And I'm sure we'll get into that more as we go along.
[08:47.440 --> 08:56.480]  But we talked about, in your opening comments, you talked about the man's yearning for freedom.
[08:57.680 --> 09:01.440]  And I know that you've read many, many, many great philosophers,
[09:01.440 --> 09:03.920]  so what I'm about to say is not a surprise to you.
[09:03.920 --> 09:06.160]  So I say it for the benefit of our audience.
[09:07.160 --> 09:18.040]  If you had asked me 35 years ago if my fellow citizens felt passionately about freedom and liberty,
[09:19.080 --> 09:24.200]  my answer would have been, oh, absolutely. Are you fucking kidding me? Of course they do.
[09:26.840 --> 09:31.880]  Here we are in July of 2023, and if somebody asked me that same question today, my answer would be,
[09:31.880 --> 09:44.480]  me? Some do. A lot of people talk about it. A lot of people would have you believe that they care about it.
[09:47.520 --> 09:55.040]  But one of the attributes of somebody who cares, who truly cares about something,
[09:55.400 --> 10:04.040]  is they are willing, when needed, hopefully it's not, but when needed, they are willing to sacrifice.
[10:05.880 --> 10:13.320]  That's one of the measures in my book, one of the measures that telegraphs whether a person
[10:13.880 --> 10:20.360]  truly is committed to something. Parents all the time say, you know, I sacrifice for my kids,
[10:20.720 --> 10:30.960]  for my kids, and most do, very much so. But when it comes to even a small sacrifice for the cause
[10:30.960 --> 10:38.400]  of liberty, I'm going to say the lion's share of the American public, a large lion's share of the
[10:38.400 --> 10:44.320]  American public isn't there, and they're unwilling to make a sacrifice, and their unwillingness to
[10:44.320 --> 10:50.800]  make a sacrifice, any sacrifice, even a small sacrifice, telegraphs to me that the stuff that's
[10:50.800 --> 10:58.720]  coming out of their mouth about their adoration for liberty is bullshit. So I don't know if you
[10:58.720 --> 11:06.160]  want to jump right in at this point, Ernie, and talk about maybe some of the things that you and
[11:06.160 --> 11:14.960]  I have observed about our fellow citizens, and what it portends, and whether it can be changed,
[11:14.960 --> 11:21.040]  because I think you and I agreed the other day that if something doesn't change,
[11:22.880 --> 11:30.160]  all the anti-liberty establishment forces, they're going to win. They're going to prevail.
[11:30.160 --> 11:38.240]  They have been, to a great extent, prevailing. And if the American people don't value liberty
[11:38.240 --> 11:45.040]  to the point where they are willing to make even a tiny sacrifice, then shut the fuck up
[11:45.040 --> 11:49.280]  about liberty and accept the fact that you're going to be turned into a slave, suck it up,
[11:49.280 --> 11:54.480]  and shut the fuck up. Stop saying how much you care about liberty if you're not willing
[11:54.480 --> 12:06.080]  to sacrifice this fucking much. I think sometimes quotes just come to mind. I happen to have this
[12:06.080 --> 12:11.200]  one fairly handy, but the quote that comes to mind is from George Bernard Shaw that liberty
[12:11.200 --> 12:19.440]  means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. And when we look at the national scene and we
[12:19.440 --> 12:27.680]  see that we're losing more and more liberties, even on a county level, on your city level,
[12:27.680 --> 12:34.720]  you see that new liberties are being taken by politicians that, of course, take away liberty
[12:34.720 --> 12:40.480]  from the citizenry. And so this caring is really important. I think that these are some of the
[12:40.480 --> 12:47.200]  questions now that can be an activity for the listeners to consider. When we talk about freedom,
[12:47.200 --> 12:54.720]  we're looking at freedom to experience something or freedom from something. So, for example,
[12:54.720 --> 13:02.400]  if we look at freedom to do something, I want freedom to start a business. Someone goes
[13:03.840 --> 13:10.480]  to look at the regulations of what they need to do to start a business. There's a lot. And so they
[13:10.480 --> 13:16.560]  might jump through a bunch of hoops. And again, Dave, if we're not having these checks and balances
[13:16.560 --> 13:23.520]  where you have shown me a number of times, oh, hey, the statute doesn't state that. They're just
[13:23.520 --> 13:27.600]  telling you the person behind the counter has a job and they've been told this is what they're
[13:27.600 --> 13:36.640]  required to ask. And so the person- Or demand. Yeah, or demand, yes. And so without us asking
[13:36.640 --> 13:41.200]  questions, is this really required? How do I know that it's required? Again, it takes what you've
[13:41.200 --> 13:49.200]  done, Dave, is the research to verify whether or not what we're being told, in this case by government,
[13:49.200 --> 13:55.760]  is true or not. And this steps, this goes even way deeper when we go into other authorities.
[13:56.400 --> 14:02.960]  We know the medical is another authority that we should be questioning. We should be questioning
[14:02.960 --> 14:08.000]  really all types of authority, including the parental authority that we had that established
[14:08.000 --> 14:12.960]  our belief systems when we were children, because they were operating based on a belief system that
[14:12.960 --> 14:19.200]  was given to them by other authorities. And so really questioning it all. But coming back to
[14:19.200 --> 14:25.840]  the freedom to experience something, if we want to experience, again, create a new business or
[14:26.880 --> 14:31.840]  act in one's self-interest, as long as we're not violating the rights of others,
[14:31.840 --> 14:37.040]  or let's even say, I want to experience a better career path or I'd love to experience
[14:37.040 --> 14:42.720]  a deeper relationship with a partner or with a child, all of these things are possible. But
[14:42.720 --> 14:50.000]  again, these are freedom for versus freedom from. If we were truly oppressed, and not to say that
[14:50.000 --> 14:55.600]  there is an oppression here in the United States, of course there is, but we even look at classes
[14:55.600 --> 15:02.800]  of people who might experience deeper levels of oppression, what would they want to experience?
[15:02.800 --> 15:09.280]  They want to have freedom from arbitrary rules being shut out by a privileged class,
[15:10.080 --> 15:16.800]  from tyranny of itself. They'd like to experience freedom from being systematically deceived,
[15:16.800 --> 15:20.320]  which we can see, we look at the last several years and we've seen a systematic
[15:21.120 --> 15:26.960]  program and propaganda to deceive the American people. And how can we see that? When we look
[15:26.960 --> 15:33.440]  around, Dave, we can see that the vast majority of people are not in good health.
[15:37.840 --> 15:43.920]  And where does that come from? Is it because people really want to look and feel that way?
[15:45.040 --> 15:51.360]  Or is it that they just have addictions to things that they've bought into as this is
[15:51.360 --> 16:01.920]  okay for me to do? I don't have to obey the laws of nature, biology, and of the psyche. And later,
[16:01.920 --> 16:09.680]  I don't want to necessarily go too far into the psyche, but you and I, I think we touched on this
[16:09.680 --> 16:16.320]  one time before as well, that the body, there's ancient laws. One is, this comes from Hermes
[16:16.320 --> 16:22.000]  Trismegistus, that as within, so without. And so when we experience an external
[16:22.800 --> 16:31.440]  ailment or disease, it is usually tied to an inner, more deeper rooted item. So for example,
[16:31.440 --> 16:37.920]  someone's experiencing stress and anxiety constantly. Later, that person is having emotional,
[16:40.240 --> 16:44.720]  even deeper emotional stresses, and those are, those are being viewed in the relationships.
[16:44.720 --> 16:50.080]  And then later they might have experienced cancer because they've let it eat them up for so long.
[16:50.080 --> 16:55.920]  They haven't been able to forgive. And so these things that initially started out as a negative
[16:55.920 --> 17:03.600]  emotional energy or as an anxiety, they later build and become a physical disease. And so,
[17:04.160 --> 17:14.320]  again, this is now personal responsibility and also liberty to be able to live a more free life.
[17:14.320 --> 17:20.400]  If someone is experiencing cancer, how free is their life? They're not free from pain.
[17:20.400 --> 17:26.080]  They're not free from being able to do the things that they were doing before. And many times now,
[17:26.080 --> 17:32.000]  when they go get, they go to a doctor's visit and they're getting news about what their condition is,
[17:32.960 --> 17:37.440]  again, that they may just be, the doctor may be looking at charts, looking at the history,
[17:37.440 --> 17:41.280]  but this new information then becomes a new program that the person accepts
[17:42.000 --> 17:50.000]  as a reality for themselves. And it continues to deteriorate their own true power and liberty.
[17:50.000 --> 17:56.160]  What we've talked about before is their personal authority. There are countless individuals who
[17:56.160 --> 18:06.160]  have been given diagnostics or diagnoses that say, you will never walk again. You're going to die
[18:06.160 --> 18:11.440]  within six months. And they've been able to heal themselves because they didn't buy in and they
[18:11.440 --> 18:16.800]  sought to go a different route. But of course, the vast majority don't experience life that way.
[18:20.560 --> 18:27.600]  You said a moment ago, you posited the question, do people
[18:29.040 --> 18:34.880]  really want to exist? We're talking physically, do they really want to exist in that physical
[18:34.880 --> 18:41.280]  condition? And one of the things that I, when I'm talking about body science,
[18:41.280 --> 18:46.880]  typically the format on my videos is I talk about whatever the subject matter is, and I probably
[18:46.880 --> 18:51.120]  eat up 95% of the video on that. And then towards the end, I talked a little bit about income
[18:51.120 --> 18:55.040]  tax shatteriness and body science, because I want people to buy them. I want them to have a better
[18:55.040 --> 19:02.560]  life. And Ernie, you've read them both. You know that they are highly instrumental in Americans
[19:02.560 --> 19:08.720]  having a better life. So I talked about both of those and I asked people to get a copy of them
[19:08.720 --> 19:16.880]  and so forth. When I'm telling people about body science, I often say, you believe the things you
[19:16.880 --> 19:24.320]  believe because there has been a massive disinformation campaign about human physiology,
[19:24.320 --> 19:32.400]  most specifically nutritional physiology, that started in the early 1960s. The government jumped
[19:32.400 --> 19:40.160]  into that in 1980. And I do want to take a moment because I think this is a good time to read a
[19:40.160 --> 19:51.440]  quote here. Let me get my computer back up. Okay. This is a quote from William Casey, January 1981,
[19:51.440 --> 19:58.000]  after he'd been appointed director CIA. And it was from his very first staff meeting and people
[19:58.000 --> 20:02.720]  present in the staff meeting have confirmed he did say this. Quote,
[20:04.320 --> 20:13.600]  we'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is
[20:13.600 --> 20:24.240]  false. Everything the American public believes is false. And that plays into so many topics,
[20:24.240 --> 20:27.920]  and I'm sure we'll get to a lot of those today. But since we're talking about body science and
[20:27.920 --> 20:32.000]  health and do people actually want to live their life looking or feeling that way?
[20:34.800 --> 20:42.800]  Everything the American people believe is false. I continue on with this quote concerning your
[20:42.800 --> 20:52.560]  physiology. The American people have been bullshitted, extraordinary for at least 60 years.
[20:53.520 --> 21:03.920]  And maybe not so much since SARS-CoV-2. But prior to that, I think the average American would have
[21:03.920 --> 21:10.800]  said, medical people would never lie to me. I mean, what's in it for them to lie to me?
[21:12.080 --> 21:20.240]  Okay, so the medical community is a trillion dollar industry. And the last time I looked,
[21:20.240 --> 21:24.480]  it's probably more now. But the last time I looked, it was the medical community,
[21:24.480 --> 21:34.000]  including Big Pharma and Big Med, is 23% of the US economy. How do people imagine
[21:34.560 --> 21:42.560]  it got to 23% of the economy? Because if you go back to, say, before the 20th century,
[21:43.360 --> 21:50.000]  Americans weren't sick in any significant numbers. They are now. And that didn't just happen.
[21:50.320 --> 21:58.160]  It's not happenstance. People believe their doctor. And perhaps the doctor thought he was
[21:58.720 --> 22:03.680]  saying something that was true. They believed medical research, which now we know is rapidly
[22:03.680 --> 22:08.240]  falsified. And that's just not me saying it. It's people within the research community. It's a
[22:08.240 --> 22:15.280]  former editor of the British Journal, British Medical Journal, and many other people within
[22:15.280 --> 22:23.200]  the field are now saying that the field is rife with fraudulent, not mistaken, fraudulent
[22:24.000 --> 22:35.600]  research papers. Even Big Food, they need to have solid science from which to create their next
[22:36.480 --> 22:41.040]  biggest, greatest product they're going to bring out that's going to kill more people.
[22:41.040 --> 22:46.560]  They need the science to be accurate when they're developing these Frankenstein foods
[22:46.560 --> 22:55.600]  in their laboratories. And even the processed food industry has stated that 42% of all the
[22:55.600 --> 22:59.840]  science they attempt to replicate in their laboratories, and we're just talking about a
[22:59.840 --> 23:05.520]  small part of science that's relevant to their industry, 42% of the conclusions reached in
[23:05.520 --> 23:10.160]  scientific studies, they cannot replicate in their labs. And their labs are the best labs money can
[23:10.160 --> 23:18.240]  buy. But the American public has believed, we're going to talk about income tax and the
[23:18.240 --> 23:24.160]  American public's belief in a moment, but concerning physiology, the American public has
[23:24.800 --> 23:32.080]  believed what they've been told with that mindset, consciously or subconsciously.
[23:32.800 --> 23:40.080]  They wouldn't lie to me about that. Why would they lie? What's in it for them? Yeah, ignore that 23
[23:40.080 --> 23:48.000]  percent of the US economy, what's in it for them? Okay. So I was walking through a store the other
[23:48.000 --> 23:58.640]  day, and a woman walked by me. I'm going to say she was about five, five, five, six.
[24:00.640 --> 24:09.200]  And she was a word we don't hear very often anymore, rotunda. And she had part of her head
[24:09.280 --> 24:12.800]  shaved and the remaining hair was in some crazy thing.
[24:15.840 --> 24:18.320]  And I'm not judging her as a person. Let me be very clear about that.
[24:20.320 --> 24:25.360]  But as she walked by, I thought to myself,
[24:28.480 --> 24:32.640]  when I was a boy watching cartoons on television,
[24:33.440 --> 24:39.200]  a vision very similar to what she looked like would have been put up on screen as like
[24:39.680 --> 24:47.200]  the troll that lives under the bridge. So of course, you know, I'm here in a couple weeks,
[24:47.200 --> 24:53.280]  I'm going to be 64. So I was a boy a long time ago. But nevertheless, how did we get to the point
[24:54.480 --> 25:00.560]  where I'm going to guess this person was probably in her late 20s,
[25:00.560 --> 25:13.200]  late 20s. And literally, somebody who was creating cartoons back in the late 1960s,
[25:13.840 --> 25:18.640]  would have looked at her and said, you know what, I'm going to change a little bit of this and that
[25:18.640 --> 25:22.320]  just a few things I'm going to put and now it's going to be a troll in our next cartoon.
[25:25.280 --> 25:26.560]  So I go back to your question.
[25:26.640 --> 25:36.800]  Is she happy like that? Is she happy with being
[25:39.040 --> 25:47.680]  grossly obese? Is she happy? And I'm sure she doesn't think of it because of her age,
[25:47.680 --> 25:52.480]  she probably can't connect to what I just shared with you. But if she could,
[25:53.120 --> 25:58.640]  is she happy looking like somebody who would have been a visual pattern from
[25:58.640 --> 26:11.600]  which a cartoonist would have created a troll 45, 50 years ago? My fellow citizens
[26:11.600 --> 26:20.800]  never fail to surprise me. So I don't really have an answer to, is she happy like that?
[26:21.040 --> 26:30.880]  From my construct, I'd have to say somewhere deep down inside, the answer is no, she's not.
[26:32.080 --> 26:37.200]  But I also know if we could bring her in and stand her right here and I were to ask her
[26:37.200 --> 26:44.560]  if she was happy, she would probably tell me, first of all, it's none of my fucking business.
[26:44.560 --> 26:56.160]  If she decided to reply, she might tell me, yeah, I'm happy. Of course I'm happy. I've built this
[26:56.160 --> 27:05.280]  life. I am who I am, blah, blah, blah, blah. Speaking just for me, not buying it. But the
[27:05.280 --> 27:09.520]  question is, and this is what you and I talked about at length the last time we talked about it,
[27:09.520 --> 27:15.040]  the question is, how do we turn it around? Presuming she's not happy.
[27:17.040 --> 27:23.840]  On this and many other subjects that are plaguing this country, how do we turn it around?
[27:24.720 --> 27:30.320]  How do we convince people such as this lady I'm talking about?
[27:30.320 --> 27:39.920]  I'm sure if I told her all these things that you've been told about nutritional physiology,
[27:41.280 --> 27:46.640]  they're that everybody agrees are true. They're all not factual. They're not scientific. They're
[27:46.640 --> 27:53.120]  not true. And let me tell you what is true concerning nutritional physiology.
[27:53.120 --> 27:58.080]  I'm sure she would think I'm a raving fucking lunatic
[27:59.600 --> 28:06.400]  because she has bought the establishment's narrative hook line and sinker and is 100%
[28:06.400 --> 28:11.280]  convinced that everything that she has ever learned and been told by those people in authority
[28:12.160 --> 28:17.680]  is true. And she has anchored herself in those truths.
[28:17.760 --> 28:29.120]  I readily admit, I wrote body science, but obviously that's reaching a small percentage of
[28:29.120 --> 28:34.320]  the overall population of this country. And when it comes to body science, small percentage of the
[28:34.320 --> 28:38.640]  world's population, tiny, tiny, infinitesimally small population or percentage of the world's
[28:38.640 --> 28:56.240]  population. I have no idea how to reach this vast majority, vast majority of the American people
[28:56.240 --> 29:10.240]  and open them up to the fact that virtually everything they've been told is a lie and they
[29:10.240 --> 29:15.120]  need to start listening to some other voices. I have no idea. How about you?
[29:15.840 --> 29:23.440]  Yeah, it can be very shattering to one's foundation to realize that the vast majority of what we think
[29:23.440 --> 29:32.240]  we know has just been programming. I really feel, Dave, for this woman who you're using
[29:32.240 --> 29:38.480]  in this example, not only because deep down we know she's not happy, and I know this from personal
[29:38.480 --> 29:46.640]  experience, my journey has had ups and downs. I've had my own false ideas and wanted to hold on
[29:47.280 --> 29:54.400]  to things that were not natural law. But hey, if I wanted to eat what I wanted to eat that satiated
[29:54.400 --> 30:01.200]  my taste buds in a moment, if that's what the desire, if I wanted that and that was more
[30:01.200 --> 30:08.960]  important than my health, then I was led down a path. I was 60 pounds heavier than I am today,
[30:08.960 --> 30:17.440]  actually more than 60 pounds. And yet I know the lack of energy. I know the ailments that come with
[30:17.440 --> 30:25.600]  that. This woman may be experiencing hemorrhoids. She may be experiencing a number of ailments that
[30:25.600 --> 30:32.480]  clearly show that she's not happy. But again, people want to revere those chains because
[30:32.560 --> 30:41.120]  they're a trade-off for a temporary happiness or satiation, a desire of, or I would even say,
[30:41.120 --> 30:48.400]  a want of the ego. This is what the ego knows. And so let's just keep absorbing that.
[30:49.120 --> 30:57.280]  And what's so sad, Dave, is that as long as people believe, as this woman believes that
[30:58.080 --> 31:06.400]  it's not her fault, she can't change it. It's just the way her body is. This is the way genetics are,
[31:06.400 --> 31:14.240]  or this is just because of circumstances. As long as she's not willing to accept 100% responsibility,
[31:14.240 --> 31:18.240]  she's going to continue in that. And a couple of thoughts came to my mind, Dave, as you were sharing
[31:18.240 --> 31:26.480]  this story. Number one, the first one was about Socrates and how the Orpheus was
[31:26.640 --> 31:30.560]  and how the Oracle of Delphi said, well, Socrates is the most intelligent
[31:30.560 --> 31:36.880]  man. And of course, when he's approached and was told that, he said, well, it can't be,
[31:36.880 --> 31:43.440]  because I know nothing. And the Oracle of Delphi said, yeah, that's why, because you're willing
[31:46.000 --> 31:52.880]  to not be deceived by the things you think you know. And because whenever somebody thinks they
[31:52.880 --> 31:57.600]  know something, they shut themselves off from the potentiality of learning more.
[31:57.600 --> 32:01.760]  And so again, this is the ego. The ego is this program that we're developing, and there are
[32:01.760 --> 32:11.200]  healthy egos. You can build a career based on learning. And the way that I've understood it is
[32:12.320 --> 32:18.640]  the ego is a personality that's developed that is in response to what the world is asking of us.
[32:19.440 --> 32:25.200]  And we live that through, not necessarily chronologically, but through about half of
[32:25.200 --> 32:31.520]  our lives, we can live the egoic life where we're gaining experience and knowledge and the things
[32:31.520 --> 32:38.640]  that we learn. And so then someone asks a question or a problem is presented, and we go back to the
[32:38.640 --> 32:46.640]  experience and the knowledge that we've gained, and that's our resource. Versus what Einstein
[32:47.120 --> 32:53.200]  talks about is the intuitive mind. So the egoic mind is the rational mind, which is extremely
[32:53.200 --> 32:59.760]  valuable and can be fine tuned. But the intuitive mind opens up a whole other world, but can only be
[32:59.760 --> 33:06.000]  accessed if we don't believe we already have the answer. And so part of this process, and this is
[33:06.000 --> 33:13.120]  why it's so uncomfortable, is we need to look at ourselves and face the reality. Okay, I'm
[33:13.120 --> 33:21.120]  X pounds overweight, or hey, maybe you've got your fitness level looks great, but you're not
[33:21.120 --> 33:26.400]  feeling the energy you used to have, or you have some internal things that nobody would know, but
[33:26.400 --> 33:32.720]  you know that you're experiencing them. This is doing the inner work. Again, the relationship
[33:32.720 --> 33:39.840]  with the body to the psyche is very connected. Nutrition, exercise, all of these play a role.
[33:39.840 --> 33:47.280]  In fact, when we talk about trauma, many times childhood trauma will create adulthood diseases,
[33:48.080 --> 33:54.000]  but some of these traumas aren't even in the conscious memory. And as we look at food or
[33:54.000 --> 34:04.000]  inadequate exercise or poor habits like smoking, these habits or these things create slow, gradual
[34:04.000 --> 34:10.880]  trauma on the body. And as we mentioned before from Hermes Trist Magistus, the law of nature,
[34:10.880 --> 34:16.800]  one of the laws, as within, so without, it applies the other way, as without, so within. So now someone
[34:16.800 --> 34:22.880]  has poor health, guess what? Mood swings. Now the psyche is being affected by the impact of what's
[34:22.880 --> 34:28.720]  going on in the body. Again, this affects personal liberty, because what are we going to do with our
[34:28.720 --> 34:36.480]  personal liberty, Dave? So many of us have closed off what's even possible for living a full life.
[34:36.480 --> 34:44.080]  We live, as what Henry David Thoreau says, lives of quiet desperation. We're not living fully. We've
[34:44.080 --> 34:52.080]  just accepted these limitations, and yet it sucks. We don't want to live that, which truly means
[34:52.080 --> 34:58.480]  we're not experiencing liberty. And so taking one's authority, I mean, we can look at quotes of
[34:58.480 --> 35:11.200]  freedom, and we can kind of rely on, the word is escaping me. Anyway, we hear these quotes and
[35:11.200 --> 35:17.200]  get excited and say, yes, I have liberty. I believe in freedom. And yet we don't even believe it for
[35:17.200 --> 35:23.680]  ourselves. And so when you ask the question, how do we convince society, this is an individual,
[35:23.680 --> 35:29.440]  I kind of think of Gandhi, or even Michael Jackson sang it in one of his songs, that if we
[35:29.440 --> 35:36.640]  want to change the world, we got to start here. And being the example, and we've, Dave, we've
[35:36.640 --> 35:42.320]  seen this so many times, where people have made a healthy change in their lives, and their body
[35:42.320 --> 35:49.440]  transforms. Friends and family will then begin to ask, what the hell are you doing? Holy shit.
[35:49.440 --> 35:55.600]  Look at you. You've made it a remarkable change. Unfortunately, many of those people will listen
[35:55.600 --> 36:01.280]  and hear what they've done. Oh, hey, I went and purchased Dave's book, Body Science, and I followed
[36:01.280 --> 36:10.160]  this to the T, and that's why I lost 60 pounds. And yet they'll go, oh, that's not for me. But
[36:11.040 --> 36:16.960]  if enough of us are doing it, if enough of us are making those personal changes, we'll start
[36:16.960 --> 36:22.240]  removing the excuses for other people. Because, Dave, if we lived in a society where the vast
[36:22.240 --> 36:27.520]  majority of us are fat, the circle of influence that we have are out of shape, then that becomes
[36:27.520 --> 36:35.760]  a new norm, a new acceptable norm. Go into the offices of most companies, and you have people
[36:35.760 --> 36:40.240]  who are just like, they look around, who they surround themselves with and go, yeah, I'm part
[36:40.240 --> 36:44.800]  of this group. This is one of those triggers that happened years ago when I was walking into a
[36:44.800 --> 36:49.840]  fast food restaurant. I looked around. Everyone was obese. I'm like, I'm in the wrong place.
[36:50.400 --> 36:55.600]  I should not be eating in this establishment. So these levels of awareness, and this is really what
[36:56.640 --> 37:03.040]  I get so excited about, is uncovering the darkness, or what Carl Jung talks about as the
[37:03.040 --> 37:09.040]  unconscious within us. We want to shed light on the lies and the deceptions that we've been buying
[37:09.040 --> 37:13.920]  into. So we talked a little bit about Socrates, but I also want to back up and talk about the
[37:13.920 --> 37:20.000]  propaganda side, because you talked about the 60s, how we really started to see a wave of
[37:20.000 --> 37:27.120]  new propaganda come into play. And part of this was because of a man by the name of Edward Bernays.
[37:28.640 --> 37:32.960]  And I'm trying to remember the exact relationship tie in. I think he was married to the niece of
[37:32.960 --> 37:40.160]  Sigmund Freud, but he was utilizing psychology and was working with the biggest cigarette companies
[37:40.160 --> 37:47.280]  to get people hooked on cigarettes, making it cool. There are a lot of campaigns that he was
[37:47.280 --> 37:54.560]  personally responsible for. And of course, the foods that were then being introduced and have
[37:54.560 --> 38:01.840]  been introduced since that are just toxic for our bodies. Any thinking individual would look at
[38:01.840 --> 38:07.360]  those ingredients and go, number one, I can't read most of these. Or if I look at the ingredients,
[38:07.360 --> 38:13.360]  these are shit for my body. There's no way. But if they can sell it as, hey, this is going to
[38:13.360 --> 38:20.000]  make you cool, or this is going to be, you know, look at this skinny person who's enjoying this
[38:20.000 --> 38:25.120]  shitty food. That can be you too. Would they just buy into the image of things? Which again, is the
[38:25.120 --> 38:32.800]  color of the idea versus what the reality is. And so 10 doctors recommend Chesterfields.
[38:32.800 --> 38:37.280]  It's old school.
[38:39.920 --> 38:42.800]  Sorry, just popped into my mind some of those old cigarette ads.
[38:46.880 --> 38:49.840]  Well, I was just going to say, remember what the medical community said? There's
[38:49.840 --> 38:53.680]  absolutely no health risk for pregnant women to be smoking.
[38:53.680 --> 38:56.160]  Yeah.
[38:59.200 --> 39:04.640]  And I don't mean to move away from your train of thought. We'll come right back to that.
[39:06.320 --> 39:13.600]  I think we've that sort of absurdity that these things are safe to do, when in fact,
[39:13.600 --> 39:19.920]  the reality is or not. We experienced that in towards the end of 2020, all of 2021,
[39:19.920 --> 39:28.720]  most of 2022. So that dynamic where the experts are saying, it's fine to do that.
[39:29.600 --> 39:35.520]  In fact, it's good to do that. They were wrong in the 1940s, 50s and 60s.
[39:36.080 --> 39:39.520]  And they were wrong over the last several years. But back to your point.
[39:41.200 --> 39:47.680]  Yeah, it really is interesting how we can accept such illogical ideas.
[39:48.480 --> 39:54.880]  But if we believe that it's supported by enough people, especially if those people
[39:54.880 --> 40:01.280]  have some type of authority, then we just throw all reason and our personal authority
[40:01.280 --> 40:10.000]  out the door. And then later when we're slaves to our own habits or our own repetitive thoughts,
[40:10.000 --> 40:17.040]  we've thought of a particular idea so frequently or over and over again, that now it's just
[40:17.440 --> 40:24.240]  an absolute truth. And we're not even willing to even question it. We truly are. We're slaves
[40:24.240 --> 40:36.400]  to those ideas. So I acknowledge that I am cynical about my fellow man. Let me start with that.
[40:37.040 --> 40:41.840]  So that people don't suddenly say a couple of minutes down the road, damn, he's cynical.
[40:42.480 --> 40:45.680]  I want to acknowledge that upfront. I am cynical about my fellow man.
[40:50.320 --> 40:57.120]  Whether we're talking about all the things that they said were healthy for pregnant women to do
[40:57.840 --> 41:07.680]  70 years ago, or whether it was discussions about the safety and efficacy of mRNA,
[41:07.680 --> 41:13.440]  SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, actually not vaccines, I should stop using that word, therapeutics.
[41:15.680 --> 41:18.720]  They are not vaccines in any true sense of the word vaccine.
[41:19.680 --> 41:27.440]  But the reason, and I want to emphasize this timeline, that the experts were telling pregnant
[41:27.440 --> 41:32.720]  women that it's safe for your fetus if you do this and this and this. And of course, that was
[41:32.800 --> 41:39.360]  absolute nonsense. And then we have the events of 2020, 2021, and 2022.
[41:40.240 --> 41:46.560]  So there's a huge time span there. And I would like to raise the issue of
[41:48.560 --> 41:57.120]  they did it then, they did it recently, and they've done it through all of the interceding years.
[41:57.120 --> 42:14.800]  Why? They do it because it works. Why does it work? It works because people are lazy motherfuckers.
[42:16.320 --> 42:23.760]  They would rather believe somebody who positions themselves as an authority figure, or
[42:23.760 --> 42:29.120]  in fact is an authority figure. The public would rather believe that person
[42:30.320 --> 42:38.160]  than do a lick of independent research. Now, I know we go back to the 60s, the 70s, the 80s.
[42:38.800 --> 42:43.920]  If you wanted to do any sort of meaningful research, you needed to go to a library. And
[42:43.920 --> 42:48.400]  depending on what you're researching, you might have had to go to a law library or a medical library
[42:48.400 --> 42:53.760]  or so forth. So there was a lot of time and difficulty involved in conducting that research.
[42:54.400 --> 43:04.160]  Fast forward to well into the 21st century. And researching involves the very, very arduous tasks
[43:05.280 --> 43:14.320]  of clicking and doing this with your fingers. And nothing's changed. The authorities,
[43:14.320 --> 43:21.280]  the establishment, they're still bullshitting people. And they're still doing it because
[43:22.560 --> 43:30.320]  it still works. If suddenly, now that people have access at their fingertips to all of the
[43:30.320 --> 43:39.360]  world's knowledge, if suddenly people were using that tool and doing research, and they weren't
[43:39.360 --> 43:48.880]  completely lazy, the establishment would stop doing it because there would no longer be a
[43:48.880 --> 43:53.440]  payoff. There would no longer be success. It would no longer accomplish their goals.
[43:53.440 --> 43:57.360]  They continue to do it because it continues to work. And it continues to work because
[43:57.360 --> 44:06.400]  Americans are in the main lazy motherfuckers. You know, most of the people who follow me are aware
[44:06.400 --> 44:13.680]  that my YouTube channel was deplatformed by YouTube. And Facebook removed my then
[44:13.680 --> 44:20.000]  primary business page that had 145,000 people following it. Both of those were removed because
[44:20.000 --> 44:26.320]  I was telling the truth about SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, and the therapeutics masquerading as vaccines.
[44:26.320 --> 44:33.920]  And granted, you know, science is sort of my bag, but
[44:37.120 --> 44:44.480]  I don't think that the average American was incapable of doing the research that I did
[44:44.480 --> 44:51.520]  and presenting the information I did and drawing people's attention to the rational and
[44:51.600 --> 44:59.120]  necessary conclusions to which the data led. I don't think I'm the only guy around who could do it.
[44:59.120 --> 45:08.720]  But I wasn't seeing very many other people doing it. For instance, to this very day,
[45:08.720 --> 45:14.960]  this is, I believe, is the issue that they caused YouTube to take my platform down, my channel down,
[45:15.440 --> 45:27.920]  because the potential harm to big pharma, when I broke the news that the mRNA vaccines
[45:28.880 --> 45:34.720]  do not induce the production of memory T cells in the body. Now, I want to be very
[45:34.720 --> 45:41.440]  cautious for people who hear the phrase T cells thrown about. There are a slew of different T
[45:41.440 --> 45:47.840]  cells. I'm talking about a very specific type called a memory T cell. And there's a whole
[45:47.840 --> 45:54.560]  process. And I described it in a video that I put up on YouTube. And I explained
[45:56.320 --> 46:00.320]  why reinfection was happening so prevalently in people who are getting vaccinated.
[46:00.320 --> 46:06.080]  And I explained that the reason is that the vaccines do not engender the production of
[46:06.080 --> 46:13.760]  memory T cells so that every encounter with the virus was what is, in medical and physiology terms,
[46:13.760 --> 46:22.400]  is called a naive encounter. And in other words, the body doesn't recognize it. I'm sorry. There's
[46:22.400 --> 46:29.920]  no memory T cells to recognize. It's a different issue than being recognized at all. But the
[46:29.920 --> 46:37.200]  horsepower really comes from the memory T cells. And that wasn't happening because the vaccines
[46:37.200 --> 46:40.400]  don't induce production of memory T cells. And I went through the science.
[46:40.960 --> 46:46.640]  And we talked earlier in the conversation about fraudulent science being put out and how
[46:47.200 --> 46:52.560]  vociferous it has become. And there were some studies. I talked about this in the original
[46:52.560 --> 46:56.960]  video. There were some studies coming out saying, oh, yes, it produces memory T cells. But when you
[46:57.840 --> 47:04.080]  looked at the studies, this is not mistakes. This is what we talked about earlier.
[47:04.080 --> 47:08.720]  These studies are not mistaken. These studies are knowingly, willfully, and intentionally fraudulent.
[47:08.720 --> 47:22.320]  And here's a perfect example. There is one particular test that can tell whether a pathogen
[47:23.120 --> 47:30.400]  has engendered the production of memory T cells. And memory T cells to that specific pathogen
[47:30.400 --> 47:37.200]  do exist in the body. There is one technology on the entire planet that does that.
[47:38.640 --> 47:44.400]  In these two or three studies that claimed that the vaccine does produce memory T cells,
[47:44.400 --> 47:53.040]  they didn't use that technology. They used a different technology that
[47:53.920 --> 48:01.200]  measures interferon. I'm not going to get into all that. But after it does that, then the study
[48:01.200 --> 48:09.280]  authors made the leap, without evidence, the leap that if you have these substances in existence,
[48:10.240 --> 48:16.720]  then memory T cells must exist. But there's absolutely no evidence that that statement
[48:16.720 --> 48:22.480]  is factual. Yes, this is a precursor. But the precursor doesn't mean you end up with the end
[48:22.480 --> 48:27.520]  result. There's a sequence of events that go on between precursor and end result of having a
[48:27.520 --> 48:33.600]  memory T cell. And the one technology on the whole planet Earth that could actually show the final
[48:33.680 --> 48:41.840]  outcome that memory T cells do exist after people receive the jab, those studies refuse to use that
[48:41.840 --> 48:49.120]  technology. And I think it's evident why they did and why they did not. If they had, they would
[48:49.120 --> 48:53.280]  have had to have written up their studies with a different conclusion, the same conclusion to which
[48:53.280 --> 48:58.800]  I came, which is that the vaccines do not engender the production of memory T cells.
[48:59.680 --> 49:06.160]  Um, but my point is in sharing all of that, that the experts said I was wrong, even though their
[49:06.160 --> 49:12.880]  science was fraudulent. A lot of people on social media through links up to those fraudulent studies
[49:12.880 --> 49:18.160]  to say you're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about. And but to get back to the point
[49:18.160 --> 49:23.680]  we're making here about the nature of our fellow citizens, why wasn't anybody else doing that
[49:23.680 --> 49:28.960]  research? To this day, by the way, to this day, I'm the only person that I'm aware of
[49:29.680 --> 49:32.880]  on the planet who's done that research and is talking about that subject.
[49:33.760 --> 49:37.520]  Seven point something billion people on the planet, and I'm the only one talking about it.
[49:37.520 --> 49:44.160]  Why is that? But on lesser issues that are not so extreme in terms of the numbers,
[49:44.560 --> 49:52.560]  others were not doing the research. And a lot of them were fighting against the facts, the evidence
[49:52.560 --> 49:58.400]  and the data and the conclusions to which they led that I was presenting on social media. A lot of
[49:58.400 --> 50:04.800]  people were adamantly fighting against them. Very few people said, I'm going to go back and do the
[50:04.800 --> 50:10.320]  research because if you're right, I want to know. And if you're wrong, you need to know. So I'm
[50:10.560 --> 50:19.680]  going to go do that research. No one, ever, no one. So I say all of that to make the point that
[50:22.480 --> 50:26.240]  I think all of these issues, yes, they're medical. Yes, it was SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19 and the
[50:26.240 --> 50:31.280]  therapeutics masquerading as vaccines. Yes, it was about that. But on a whole other level,
[50:31.280 --> 50:36.720]  since the establishment was lying through their teeth consistently, all almost constantly,
[50:37.120 --> 50:43.680]  and that was influencing the behavior of the American public, does that not bear upon personal
[50:43.680 --> 50:50.960]  liberty? But yet, almost nobody was getting off their ass to do anything about it. And I've talked
[50:50.960 --> 50:58.000]  about the fact before, sort of sliding in here to confirmation bias, I've talked before about the fact
[50:58.000 --> 51:04.160]  that people who disagreed with the facts, data, and evidence, and conclusions I was presenting,
[51:07.120 --> 51:14.720]  they would only look at information that provided them with their comfortable confirmation bias.
[51:14.720 --> 51:20.960]  What they'd already decided was true. And then they would try and find forces that supported that.
[51:21.600 --> 51:27.680]  What they'd already decided was true. And then they would try and find forces that supported that.
[51:28.320 --> 51:35.360]  But likewise, people who cheered me on when I talked about the truth about SARS-CoV-2,
[51:35.360 --> 51:43.440]  COVID-19, and the fake vaccines, when I talked about the science of that, and they cheered me on,
[51:45.040 --> 51:48.640]  it was only because I was providing confirmation bias. They didn't know anything about the science.
[51:48.880 --> 51:55.760]  They weren't saying, I like Dave Champion's work because I've done the research and I know
[51:55.760 --> 52:04.960]  he's right based on the research I've done. They were also saying, I like Dave Champion because
[52:04.960 --> 52:12.800]  he's telling me stuff that satisfies my desire for confirmation bias. Same thing as the people
[52:13.520 --> 52:21.360]  opposed me looking for their sources. I had a gentleman, I was discussing something on social
[52:21.360 --> 52:25.120]  media the other day, and it was clear that there's absolutely no evidence to support his position.
[52:25.680 --> 52:33.440]  But he would go out to these crazy websites that have an agenda, and he'd throw up links.
[52:33.440 --> 52:41.040]  I hate that on social media. Let's have a link argument. I eventually had to end the discussion
[52:41.040 --> 52:49.600]  because he wasn't looking for objective data. He was looking for anything he could find on the
[52:49.600 --> 52:59.920]  internet that confirmed to him his rightness. You and I talked a little bit the last time, Ernie,
[52:59.920 --> 53:07.280]  about the fact that the views people have, the positions they stake out,
[53:07.760 --> 53:16.560]  it could be religion, it could be politics, it could be real science versus scientism, and so forth.
[53:19.040 --> 53:27.600]  The positions they stake out aren't necessarily based on correctness, factualness, accurateness.
[53:28.240 --> 53:37.600]  They are based on defining self. They have an image. This is who I am.
[53:40.160 --> 53:47.440]  There's this bucket, and they throw all of these things in the bucket. This is me. This is who I am.
[53:49.760 --> 53:53.680]  I think that goes to something that you were alluding to some time ago in this call.
[53:54.560 --> 54:00.640]  That may have very little to do with who they actually really are. It's a picture they paint
[54:00.640 --> 54:08.560]  in their head of who they want to be, and so they adopt all of these positions because it makes them
[54:08.560 --> 54:14.800]  feel like they are really that person. That brings us all the way back around to somebody
[54:14.800 --> 54:21.200]  puts a bunch of stuff in their bucket about liberty, most particularly personal liberty,
[54:21.200 --> 54:26.880]  because that's the foundation of all other liberty, personal liberty. They put a bunch
[54:26.880 --> 54:31.600]  of stuff in their bucket. I support this aspect of liberty, and that aspect of liberty, and on,
[54:31.600 --> 54:34.640]  and on, and on. They go throwing all these things in the bucket that define themselves,
[54:36.240 --> 54:40.720]  but then you say, I'd like you to make this little tiny sacrifice for liberty.
[54:42.480 --> 54:49.920]  All of a sudden, they're all, I can't hear you. Is that really them? All those things they put
[54:49.920 --> 54:55.680]  in the bucket about how much they value and feel passionately about personal liberty?
[54:57.280 --> 55:05.760]  Any of that true? The answer, from my point of view, the answer for the vast majority
[55:05.760 --> 55:09.440]  is no, it's not true, because if it was true, and somebody came along and said,
[55:10.000 --> 55:12.880]  can you do this little tiny sacrifice for liberty? They'd be all, hell yeah,
[55:13.360 --> 55:20.800]  because it would matter to them. It would be a true or real part of who they are,
[55:23.040 --> 55:34.480]  not a talking point that deludes themselves into a false belief in who they are. I'm done.
[55:37.760 --> 55:38.960]  Sorry, I got a tear there.
[55:39.040 --> 55:46.240]  No, no, it's great, because there's so much to cover there, and from how is it that we're
[55:47.120 --> 55:55.600]  able to be so persuaded so easily without our questioning? You brought up several points that
[55:55.600 --> 56:04.080]  are so salient, but the first thing is the programming agenda. We look at the government
[56:04.080 --> 56:09.760]  education system that is in place, and we've been talking about the United States, but this happens
[56:09.760 --> 56:20.000]  the world over where there are conditioning programs put in place. To where you're raising
[56:20.000 --> 56:25.600]  your hand if you want to go to the bathroom, you're taking tests, but all it is is confirmation that
[56:25.600 --> 56:32.480]  you've learned what we want you to learn. There's no thinking involved. It's more just applying the
[56:32.480 --> 56:39.920]  memorization portion of our mind, and when you talk about Americans being lazy, I think that
[56:39.920 --> 56:46.480]  when we really get to the deep root of human nature, it's like homeostasis. That's where we
[56:46.480 --> 56:52.720]  want to be. We want to be in this comfort zone, and only those who see the value of stepping
[56:52.720 --> 57:01.360]  outside of comfort know that that's the area of growth, but if we're not cognizant or goal-oriented
[57:01.360 --> 57:08.240]  towards continual growth, then we're just going to always seek comfort. Questioning
[57:08.960 --> 57:15.600]  research, doing research, that steps outside of that comfort zone because it's much easier to just
[57:15.600 --> 57:22.400]  sit on one's phone and scroll through one of the social media platforms, or it's so much easier
[57:22.400 --> 57:28.720]  to consume a series on Netflix than to actually go and do the research. It's really interesting
[57:28.720 --> 57:36.240]  as you brought up the research, Dave, I think that one of the things that we talk about
[57:36.240 --> 57:43.440]  at Soul Journey, our company, is we have three different processes. One is soul purpose, where
[57:43.440 --> 57:50.400]  we really identify what one's purpose is, and that's not necessarily what one thinks and then
[57:50.400 --> 57:57.520]  creates on their own, but it comes to them or through them or external forces challenge them
[57:57.520 --> 58:03.600]  to do it, and it's accepting that challenge. It's the cave they fear. They accept that challenge,
[58:03.600 --> 58:12.960]  and look back on the early years of the income tax and what questions came to your mind that
[58:12.960 --> 58:18.080]  led you to the conclusion. You're an incredible researcher, Dave, because of the questions you
[58:18.080 --> 58:23.840]  ask that most people won't even consider. If you're talking about T cells, most people aren't even
[58:23.840 --> 58:29.120]  going to get to T cells. They're looking at, okay, is this mRNA? Okay, what's that? They're
[58:29.120 --> 58:35.280]  going to look that up, but don't go a lot further. The types of questions one asks, and so this also
[58:35.280 --> 58:45.120]  maybe comes back to one's own capability to think, but also the skill set and what they have to ask
[58:45.120 --> 58:50.720]  questions, because the better questions we ask, it's interesting how AI, chat GPT, specifically
[58:50.720 --> 58:58.720]  has come out, and technology, as we look at computers, it teaches us more about human nature.
[58:59.360 --> 59:05.440]  We go, oh, wow, the input that we put into a computer, the better the output is. Okay,
[59:05.440 --> 59:12.000]  well, that's similar to a human being. Okay, great. Now we're looking at artificial intelligence,
[59:12.000 --> 59:16.400]  and we determine we can see very quickly within the first few weeks, people are going,
[59:16.400 --> 59:23.040]  holy hell, the better I refine my questions, the better responses I get. Same thing as a human
[59:23.040 --> 59:28.640]  being. The better the questions you ask, the better it leads you to finding the deeper truths.
[59:30.960 --> 59:34.240]  But to ask that better question, excuse me for interrupting,
[59:35.520 --> 59:37.120]  to ask the better question, they have to give a shit.
[59:37.920 --> 59:45.280]  Yes, absolutely. Yes. I just wanted to throw that out there because I didn't mean to interrupt your
[59:45.280 --> 59:55.280]  flow. But that's, to me, the stumbling block in our country. Yes, you're absolutely right, Ernie.
[59:55.280 --> 01:00:04.160]  They have to ask better. It's imperative. If we're going to have the country some of us deserve,
[01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:12.160]  that we ask better questions. But we have to actually give a shit. I'm sorry, go ahead. I
[01:00:12.160 --> 01:00:15.600]  just wanted to make that point. Yeah, no, that reaffirms what a couple of people said.
[01:00:16.640 --> 01:00:21.520]  One, I believe Socrates was the other, but half the solution to a problem is asking the right
[01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:31.680]  question. Obviously, Dave, giving a shit precedes all of that. And if the program is to just accept
[01:00:31.680 --> 01:00:38.240]  authority, and that's what program an individual is running on, they never even get to, should I
[01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:42.800]  even ask a question. They're just going, oh, this is what the authority says, let me just follow that.
[01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:49.920]  And what I find interesting is I spoke with a number of individuals who maybe they didn't
[01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:56.400]  recognize that that was their program that they had already bought into, but they had intended on
[01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:02.400]  ongoing and getting the vaccination or the mRNA. I just want to interrupt you for one second.
[01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:08.960]  When you talk about working with people, I just want to be clear, because you might be leaving
[01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:15.680]  the audience with a question mark. I just want to tell the audience that you these issues of
[01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:23.200]  I'm probably the wrong one to be explaining this you probably should be but this process of waking
[01:01:23.200 --> 01:01:31.840]  up and seeing yourself more clearly is part of what you do for a living you work with people to
[01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:36.640]  achieve that and to bring them out of the place they are and get them to the place they need to
[01:01:36.640 --> 01:01:41.520]  be. You do that. So when you say work with people, I want the audience to understand
[01:01:42.080 --> 01:01:46.480]  at least a rough framework of what that means. Yeah, thank you for clarifying that. Yeah,
[01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:50.880]  and I'll touch on that a little bit later. But I want to return to, again, people who have
[01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:57.840]  subscribed to, I'm going to take the medical community's authority and narrative on this
[01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:03.840]  particular subject. And yet, there were many of them that received either this gut feeling,
[01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:10.800]  someone they did use those exact words, this gut feeling, someday even said it was like a voice in
[01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:19.760]  my head speaking, or is this thought that came clearly, do not do it. And I don't fault people
[01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:27.920]  for not going and doing the research. If that's the indication, although they should still question
[01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:34.080]  that they should go, why am I feeling that? And then go and ask the question. And a lot of times,
[01:02:34.080 --> 01:02:38.560]  we help people get to the right question by asking, what is the right question? What,
[01:02:38.560 --> 01:02:44.880]  what don't I know? What don't I know to even ask? And sometimes that can begin, begin the process.
[01:02:45.600 --> 01:02:47.040]  The old, you don't know what you don't know?
[01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:54.240]  Yes. And when somebody doesn't even know that it's right to ask a question, as we discussed
[01:02:54.240 --> 01:02:58.560]  before, they're never going to get there. They're just going to accept, oh, I either like Dave's
[01:02:58.560 --> 01:03:04.800]  narrative, or I subscribe to medical professionals. To Anthony Fauci's narrative.
[01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:15.760]  Yes. Yeah. So, you know, going back to the government school process, I remember, Dave,
[01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:20.960]  that I'm curious if you have this memory, but I remember kids were being led out of class
[01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:28.000]  to go swish fluoride in their mouth, because it was supposed to help tooth decay.
[01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:32.880]  Right, right. Well, help to prevent tooth decay.
[01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:41.680]  Sorry. Yeah, thank you for clarifying. I wanted to get out of class, I didn't want to continue
[01:03:41.680 --> 01:03:46.880]  to sit in my seat. And so I started to excuse myself, because I was part of this program.
[01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:53.760]  My parents were not, I mean, they had done research and they're like, no, no, no, you're
[01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.880]  not going to be a part of that program. However, I would go to the drinking fountain, put water in
[01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:02.240]  my mouth, and I would just start swishing, because we got to run around the school a
[01:04:02.240 --> 01:04:08.240]  couple of times for that period of time. But what was interesting is to know that that was
[01:04:08.240 --> 01:04:16.480]  a government program that was not only instituted in the US, it was instituted in Germany in the
[01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:27.120]  1930s. What is it about that chemical that was important for school age children? Was it all
[01:04:27.120 --> 01:04:36.160]  about dental health? It's been scientifically proven that it has an effect on the pineal gland.
[01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:45.360]  It's a crystal. And this crystal then becomes clouded. It's shrouded with this fluoride so
[01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:51.440]  that it cannot operate. And the pineal gland, just let me interrupt again to bring the audience along.
[01:04:52.080 --> 01:04:58.880]  The pineal gland is a, I'm not going to get into what it is. I will say most people don't know what
[01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:06.480]  it is. And I will tell you, if you don't know, look it up. It is a critical part of your physiology
[01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:13.840]  and it bears upon who you actually are. Okay, Ernie, carry on. Very succinct, Dave, because
[01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:19.920]  that is so critical, why people understand what it is and why it was important for Germany
[01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:31.040]  to utilize this toxic, inorganic product to numb the minds. People who are listless,
[01:05:31.040 --> 01:05:35.600]  people cannot think for themselves. They accept a program without even knowing that there's a
[01:05:35.600 --> 01:05:42.720]  program being presented. And so this is just one of them. But we look at the EU where they don't
[01:05:42.720 --> 01:05:48.640]  allow particular pesticides to be utilized that are completely okay here in the United States,
[01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:56.160]  or even preservatives. There's a great book that I'd read years ago called Brand Washing.
[01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:01.600]  And basically, it's how corporations were utilizing it. I know that one of the examples they
[01:06:01.600 --> 01:06:07.440]  used was Carmex. Do you remember Carmex, the lip balm they had within? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I carried
[01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:11.280]  it in my pocket proudly because I didn't like the little stick for some reason. I like that.
[01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:20.000]  But they were putting in an ingredient that was a drying agent. And so the more you applied it,
[01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:27.040]  the more you needed to apply it. It had that reverse effect. And so again, there are so many
[01:06:27.040 --> 01:06:32.960]  ingredients utilized as preservatives that are addictive agents that get people to consume,
[01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:40.160]  consume, consume. Even when they're physically full, cannot eat more, this overrides that.
[01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:45.440]  The chemicals that are being put in as ingredients to these foods override that,
[01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:49.360]  and that's why there's an over consumption of calories. That's one of the biggest issues
[01:06:50.160 --> 01:06:54.560]  for the human body is an over consumption of calories. Of course, when you have these toxic
[01:06:54.560 --> 01:07:01.120]  ingredients, those are going to have that negative effect on organs and the lymphatic system as well.
[01:07:01.120 --> 01:07:09.280]  But it's this over consumption of calories that obviously is going to affect weight gain and
[01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:16.160]  create a lot more ailments that the body could easily eliminate if it didn't have to
[01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:23.120]  process all of the toxins along with the over capacity that the body even has to
[01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:27.440]  process those calories. So anyway- Yeah, go ahead.
[01:07:28.080 --> 01:07:33.600]  Let me add a little something to that part about how much we eat, and then I'll let you get back
[01:07:33.600 --> 01:07:39.280]  to what you were saying. There was an experiment done some years ago that compared
[01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:46.000]  meals that were predominantly carbohydrate, meals that were predominantly protein,
[01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:52.400]  and meals that were predominantly fat. They found that the number one macro
[01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:59.920]  that does not trigger your body's satiety is carbohydrates. You can eat them and eat them
[01:07:59.920 --> 01:08:02.800]  and eat them and eat them and eat them and eat them and eat them and eat them and eat them and
[01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:09.920]  they don't figure that sense of satiation. Next in line was protein. Protein does a better job,
[01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:19.200]  but it also took a bit longer on that timeline for the body to say, I'm satiated, I can't eat
[01:08:19.200 --> 01:08:26.720]  anymore. The final part was they gave the people a diet that was predominantly fat,
[01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:37.920]  and they found that that sense of satiation was very rapid. Now, what has the establishment
[01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:45.440]  been telling the American people for the last 50, 60 years? Cut down on your fat.
[01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:56.240]  So fat is twice as calorically dense as protein or carbohydrates. It creates a sensation of
[01:08:56.240 --> 01:09:08.640]  satiation much sooner, and the establishment doesn't want you to eat foods other than highly
[01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:14.720]  processed foods. They don't want you to eat whole foods that have a high fat content,
[01:09:15.120 --> 01:09:19.680]  that have fat. The government will tell you, go ahead and eat all the highly processed
[01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:25.360]  foods you want that contain a lot of fat, but don't eat whole foods that contain fat.
[01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:30.640]  I'll just leave that right there. If people want to understand more about that,
[01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:37.200]  they can go to body science. But what I said that Americans being the most chronically ill people
[01:09:38.080 --> 01:09:45.520]  in world history for all time is not happenstance. It didn't just accidentally happen.
[01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:53.520]  These are some of the reasons that they tell you, this is fine. Do this. This is good. This is
[01:09:53.520 --> 01:10:00.880]  healthy. Oh, don't do that. And in reality, in most cases, if you invert them, you have the truth.
[01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:07.200]  Yeah, in so many ways, the fact that you just made me think of Edward Bernays again, the man who wrote
[01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:13.120]  the book Propaganda, specifically that title. And of course, back in those days when he named the
[01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:18.080]  book Propaganda, it didn't have the negative connotation that it has now. It was almost as
[01:10:18.080 --> 01:10:23.600]  a promotional book, like, hey, here's how you sell. It's propaganda. And one of the things that he
[01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:30.320]  noted, and I think this book was written back in the late 30s, if I recall, was that it was
[01:10:30.320 --> 01:10:37.280]  propaganda. One of the things that he noted is that businesses are really clamoring and they
[01:10:37.280 --> 01:10:43.200]  want this information. They want to utilize this propaganda to shape the minds of individuals
[01:10:43.200 --> 01:10:49.840]  because it's good for profits, good for the bottom line. What he also said is that politicians
[01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:56.320]  have yet to start utilizing propaganda to the capacity to steer the minds of the people
[01:10:56.320 --> 01:11:00.560]  to direct a country. And it reminds me- Clearly, that's an old book.
[01:11:03.040 --> 01:11:07.200]  That is exactly right. They've grabbed it. They're onto it.
[01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:08.720]  Bunker stone.
[01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:16.480]  Yes, great example. And this really comes back to really the
[01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:24.000]  crux of what our conversation is, Dave, is in reclaiming one's authority, one has to be more
[01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:31.840]  aware, aware that there is an opposition. And I'm not trying to talk about conspiracies here.
[01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:37.280]  We're talking about people who have agendas just to make money. And when we look at why
[01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:42.640]  do doctors present things as fact or why do people buy in? Well, the American Medical
[01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:49.280]  Association was established and funded by John D. Rockefeller, who was trying to find new ways
[01:11:49.280 --> 01:11:55.600]  to use his petroleum products. These petroleum products would block certain signs and signals
[01:11:55.600 --> 01:12:04.640]  in the body. And so, hey, we have a temporary relief. It's just like chemo therapy. Dave,
[01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:12.640]  3% success rate. Now, people will say, oh, well, yeah, I lived three years after chemo cancer-free.
[01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:18.960]  Almost inevitably, people are returning back to that cancer, whereas others will
[01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:24.560]  go a more natural route, not accept the chemo, shape different belief systems,
[01:12:25.120 --> 01:12:31.440]  and they'll live for 20-plus years cancer-free. And obviously, the body eventually will break
[01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:37.280]  down. That's part of the matter. All matter eventually breaks down. But we are meant to
[01:12:37.360 --> 01:12:42.800]  live. The human body can exist, some say, 120 to 130 years.
[01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:47.440]  I plan on doing that, by the way. Me too. And I'm not being facetious.
[01:12:48.320 --> 01:12:53.440]  Me, I'm glad you were on the same page. I know others who believe that that is a possibility.
[01:12:54.080 --> 01:12:59.680]  And it's because of our understanding of our human nature and our human biology. And yet,
[01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:05.280]  the average age has just been reduced here in the US. I think it was 78 a couple of years ago. Now,
[01:13:05.280 --> 01:13:12.720]  it's 76. So the age of the average human, but the quality of life that people are experiencing in
[01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:21.520]  their 60s and 70s has also declined substantially. It's shocking. To be living in the wealthiest
[01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:28.800]  nation on Earth with all of our medical technology and all of our scientific prowess, and to
[01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:33.520]  actually have people's quality of life in their later years being lower than it used to be,
[01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:42.960]  people need to ask why that is. Ask better questions to repeat what you said. They need
[01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:49.840]  to ask better fucking questions. I know guys that tell me, oh, if I make it to 80, I'm good.
[01:13:50.800 --> 01:14:02.160]  If I die at 80, and I'm thinking, what the fuck is that about? You're okay dying at 80.
[01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:12.480]  The only thing that's in my head is either you have no passion for living or you've allowed yourself
[01:14:12.480 --> 01:14:22.160]  to be so physically and emotionally beat down or run down that leaving this plane
[01:14:22.480 --> 01:14:33.040]  is something to look forward to. I admit, I cannot connect with that at all.
[01:14:35.120 --> 01:14:42.000]  The day I go, unless I die in some sort of violent accident, I'll be going kicking and screaming
[01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:48.640]  because I want to be here, because I love life. I have a purpose. I'm not sure I can quantify
[01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:55.280]  exactly what it is, but I'm damn sure that I have one. I'm attempting to live out that purpose to
[01:14:55.280 --> 01:15:01.280]  the best of my consciousness and my recognition of it. I'm attempting to live that out to the
[01:15:01.280 --> 01:15:07.840]  best of its capability every single day, and I love it. I wouldn't have it any other way.
[01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:15.440]  Why would I be okay dying in a couple of years? I'm not going to be 80 in a couple of years,
[01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:24.400]  but nevertheless, why would I be okay dying in several years from now? I totally am disconnected
[01:15:24.400 --> 01:15:32.480]  from that reality, but I think there's dramatically more people who think like that than who think
[01:15:32.480 --> 01:15:37.040]  like me. I'm sorry for the interruption. No, you're spot on in bringing up a point
[01:15:37.040 --> 01:15:43.120]  that is so critical. Dave, you reclaimed your authority, I don't know when. Maybe back in high
[01:15:43.120 --> 01:15:54.000]  school, maybe you saw certain authority figures as full of shit, and that was the beginning
[01:15:54.880 --> 01:16:03.040]  of questioning authority at least, but reclaiming one's authority is what leads one to having that
[01:16:03.040 --> 01:16:09.920]  passion for life. There are so many people who live with miserable careers, but they keep the
[01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:14.480]  same job because it's stable. It provides the income that they need. They fucking hate it,
[01:16:14.480 --> 01:16:19.600]  but they still do it. They live in a relationship that is miserable.
[01:16:20.400 --> 01:16:24.320]  By the way, there have been times I have financially struggled, and people would look at me
[01:16:25.040 --> 01:16:28.240]  given that I am articulate and look at my past and what I've done professionally,
[01:16:28.240 --> 01:16:31.520]  what I've achieved successfully in business and so forth.
[01:16:33.360 --> 01:16:37.360]  I think at certain points in my life, if I told people where I was at financially,
[01:16:37.360 --> 01:16:41.520]  they would have been appalled. They're like, how the fuck can you be there?
[01:16:43.440 --> 01:16:49.200]  It was exactly what you're talking about. I wasn't willing to do this or such
[01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:57.680]  because I had other goals, and trying to get there was not always financially comfortable.
[01:16:59.200 --> 01:17:03.440]  These are the difficult choices, Dave, that most people will not even consider,
[01:17:04.080 --> 01:17:08.560]  because, again, they're thinking from the egoic. This is what society and the program
[01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:14.000]  has taught me. Schools have taught me this is the path to follow in order to be successful.
[01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:21.280]  Then when they retire at age 65 to now live the golden years, their health is shit.
[01:17:22.240 --> 01:17:27.120]  They don't feel like what they expected they would feel like. They thought, oh, hey,
[01:17:27.120 --> 01:17:31.040]  I'm going to reach this age. I'm going to retire, and then I'm going to go enjoy life.
[01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:38.560]  Dave, I'm imagining that you don't have this idea of retirement in the way that, oh,
[01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:42.000]  I'm going to unplug from the things that I'm passionate about.
[01:17:44.240 --> 01:17:54.480]  I think the only idea I had for the future that has turned out to be absolutely false is I figured,
[01:17:55.360 --> 01:17:58.960]  like I said, I'm going to be 64 in a couple of weeks. I thought long ago I would understand
[01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:05.120]  women. I still don't. We have to continue to have challenges,
[01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:14.960]  Dave. That's one that's not supposed to be figured out, I don't think, by maybe either
[01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:21.440]  gender. What's interesting is we look at this idea. This, again, is another belief system,
[01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:26.480]  another program, is I'm going to keep doing the thing that's miserable because there's this light
[01:18:26.480 --> 01:18:31.280]  at the end of the tunnel, which is this is where I'll be comfortable. I'm going to experience this
[01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:39.040]  comfort. The problem is they're not obeying natural law, whether we're talking about biology,
[01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:46.080]  whether we're talking about psychology, they're not adhering to what is an actual reality.
[01:18:46.080 --> 01:18:54.240]  They bought into the lie that brings them to a false expectation.
[01:18:56.480 --> 01:19:01.280]  Let me just interrupt you again. You've used the phrase natural law several times. I just want to
[01:19:01.280 --> 01:19:05.520]  clarify for the audience because that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
[01:19:06.240 --> 01:19:12.480]  I want to clarify for the audience, when Ernie says natural law, he is not talking about what
[01:19:12.480 --> 01:19:19.840]  so many Americans believe. I'm sorry. It can mean whatever anybody wants it to mean. I want to be
[01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:29.920]  clear with how Ernie does not mean it. Many Americans think natural law means God's law
[01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:40.880]  is above man's law. That's a legal thing. That's not at all how Ernie is using it. If he continues
[01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:45.760]  to use the phrase natural law, as he has six or seven or eight times so far, don't go there.
[01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:52.560]  It doesn't mean God's law is above man's law. Nothing. He's talking about the way Thomas
[01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:57.920]  Jefferson referred to nature. He's not talking about legal things. Okay, go ahead.
[01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:03.040]  Yeah, thank you for clarifying. When you bring up Thomas Jefferson, I think about
[01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:10.480]  this statement that Nikola Tesla had shared. When we know all of the amazing inventions,
[01:20:10.480 --> 01:20:17.440]  not only the inventions, but also how he foresaw the future that we would have within our hands
[01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:23.200]  the ability to communicate not only audio anywhere in the world, but through video.
[01:20:24.320 --> 01:20:31.280]  See one another. He predicted this back in the 30s. What he talked about was this
[01:20:31.280 --> 01:20:37.840]  core that exists within the universe that provides knowledge, strength and inspiration.
[01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:46.560]  We all have access to this. It's again, I think I referred to this earlier from Einstein who said
[01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:52.400]  that the intuitive mind is the sacred gift and the rational mind is the faithful servant.
[01:20:53.040 --> 01:20:59.280]  We have created a society that honors the servant and has completely forgotten the gift.
[01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.440]  So that's fair enough. That's fair enough. That's how we view government.
[01:21:03.440 --> 01:21:09.600]  Yeah. That's what's so interesting is within that rational mind, that's where the programming
[01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:16.880]  can enter in. Even though we might be thinking that it's rational, it's truly the egoic mind.
[01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:24.000]  It still has a place. We should still be able to or should still utilize the rational or analytical
[01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:30.000]  mind in asking questions. But it's when we, again, when we think we know things and we're relying on
[01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:35.280]  that analytical mind as, well, this is what I learned and so this is what I was taught to repeat.
[01:21:35.280 --> 01:21:40.720]  So I'm just going to go with that. We completely ignore the possibility of what we don't know,
[01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:44.800]  which is that intuitive mind can reveal that by asking better questions. So again,
[01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:55.120]  using these two minds in harmony, we then have access to, wow, there are answers that we haven't
[01:21:55.200 --> 01:22:00.960]  even thought of, either for centuries or maybe mankind hasn't, but it's there and it's accessible.
[01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:08.800]  And so anyway, I know I kind of went back to a topic, but, you know, Dave, you talked about
[01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:17.920]  purpose. It's so foundational. And once someone knows what their purpose is, their day to day,
[01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:24.880]  their moment to moment changes, because they can gain clarity in every situation that there is a
[01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:31.360]  purpose in them right this second, right now that one's experiencing. And even though their grander
[01:22:31.360 --> 01:22:38.400]  purpose might be, you know, I'm thinking of you right now in the ability to research and share the
[01:22:38.400 --> 01:22:44.720]  truth that, like you said, nobody else is sharing what you're sharing. It's there for everyone else
[01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:51.760]  to find. It's available, but nobody's doing that work. That is what you are driven to do. And so
[01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:59.280]  this is more than maybe even purpose, but mission that helps others gain access to information that
[01:22:59.280 --> 01:23:05.600]  they wouldn't have access to otherwise. I know I did. I wouldn't have had access to the information
[01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:11.040]  that you provided. Even though I was on this path before you and I met regarding the income tax,
[01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:19.120]  what you revealed and the research you did, it just blew what I had already discovered
[01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:24.320]  completely away and substantiated so much more. So again, I think of purpose, but Dave,
[01:23:24.320 --> 01:23:28.960]  in the moment to moment. Yeah, go ahead. I just want to mention something about purpose.
[01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:39.040]  And this is for the audience. It seems to me that when people think about, you know,
[01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:46.160]  in the one and a half seconds they spend their life in self-reflection, and they say,
[01:23:46.160 --> 01:23:58.080]  what is my purpose on the planet? It's my impression that what they're really looking
[01:23:58.080 --> 01:24:07.600]  for is some sort of external signals, external validation, external circumstances that will
[01:24:08.480 --> 01:24:14.080]  circumstances that will tell them something. They're not
[01:24:19.280 --> 01:24:23.280]  looking at who they are for the answer. Let me explain that.
[01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:35.280]  Whatever my financial successes may have been in life, I assure you, had I not been true to myself,
[01:24:35.280 --> 01:24:40.240]  they would have been so much greater. I have in that sense, this is going to sound weird,
[01:24:40.240 --> 01:24:44.640]  and I don't mean it kind of the way it sounds. In that sense, I have sacrificed so much
[01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:57.600]  material gain in the world because there's just things I couldn't follow that path. As a matter
[01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:05.440]  of fact, I was in the corporate world selling high-tech gear. I owned a company that did that,
[01:25:06.240 --> 01:25:16.080]  and I made a shitload of money. But in the end, I had to stop because it wasn't me.
[01:25:16.240 --> 01:25:27.040]  I walked away from boatloads of money in my future because I couldn't do it anymore.
[01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:36.080]  I knew there was something else in here and in here, not external. In here and in here,
[01:25:36.080 --> 01:25:45.040]  there was something else calling me. Where I have come to, I'm going to use myself as an example,
[01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:50.560]  only because it's the example I have. I'm sure others have their own experience that is
[01:25:51.680 --> 01:26:02.000]  perhaps very similar, perhaps a bit different. What I eventually came down on is that my purpose, and
[01:26:04.160 --> 01:26:09.760]  this may sound like I'm patting myself on the back, but in no way do I mean that because this
[01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:20.800]  was not up to me. I didn't pursue this purpose. This purpose became evident to me based on what
[01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:33.840]  satisfies me, what fulfills me. What fulfills me is to share facts, data, and evidence with people
[01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:42.560]  that lead to them understanding reality. That may sound pretentious. I mean, I say it,
[01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:49.280]  and it sounds pretentious. It sounds pretentious because it's like, well, Dave, who the fuck are
[01:26:49.280 --> 01:26:55.040]  you to tell people what the truth is? I don't mean it that way. I mean it more like I would
[01:26:55.040 --> 01:26:59.440]  like to present information to people that will open their eyes. Of course, needless to say,
[01:26:59.440 --> 01:27:06.240]  the information I provide, I believe in 1,000%. I think if we use as an example income tax
[01:27:06.240 --> 01:27:15.520]  shattering miss and body science, the universal—and I do mean that. That's not an exaggeration. The
[01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:20.960]  universal viewpoint that people hold of the material and income tax shattering the miss
[01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:26.000]  when they close that final page and the universal viewpoint that people have of body science when
[01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:35.680]  they close that final page, they are saying, Dave, you opened my eyes to facts, data,
[01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:40.720]  and evidence that leads to a conclusion that brings reality into my existence. Thank you.
[01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.560]  Obviously, Ernie, it's been 13 years since income tax shattering the miss came out.
[01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:51.920]  In that time, I've written one other book, Body Science.
[01:27:54.080 --> 01:28:02.080]  I believe I am a skilled communicator, a good author. Why haven't I written a bunch of other
[01:28:02.080 --> 01:28:12.880]  books? Because I have this purpose. So unless I have something to say that's of value to my fellow
[01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:23.760]  man, I can't summons up the passion to do that kind of work. I could have never written
[01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:29.120]  income tax shattering the miss. I think most people who have read it would say it is
[01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:37.680]  a monumental accomplishment. That's not about me. I'm talking about the volume of verifiable,
[01:28:37.680 --> 01:28:45.280]  the mountains of verifiable, conclusive, inarguable information and income tax shattering
[01:28:45.280 --> 01:28:54.480]  the miss. I think everyone who has ever read it would say putting this together with this
[01:28:55.360 --> 01:29:01.200]  mountains and mountains of evidence laid out in a way that every single American can understand.
[01:29:01.200 --> 01:29:05.440]  I think everyone who's ever read that book, and we're talking tens and tens of thousands of people,
[01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:14.400]  everybody would say what Dave did was an absolutely monumental task.
[01:29:15.280 --> 01:29:22.640]  Almost, and again, not being pretentious, almost like a superhuman task. I say that
[01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:29.760]  because nobody else did it. The information is all out there. I didn't pull it out of my ass.
[01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:36.080]  I did the research, 17 years of it. I think 17 years of research going into a book is monumental
[01:29:36.080 --> 01:29:53.920]  in and of itself. My point is that monumental level of that monumental product that ended up
[01:29:53.920 --> 01:30:04.320]  coming out only was a product of my purpose. I have a passion for my purpose. I don't have
[01:30:04.320 --> 01:30:10.480]  a passion for anything that's not, I won't say not anything. When it comes to work,
[01:30:11.200 --> 01:30:16.240]  I don't have a passion for anything that doesn't serve my purpose. Does that make sense?
[01:30:17.120 --> 01:30:21.760]  Yeah, so clearly, Dave. I'm loving that you're using this example, you as an example.
[01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:29.200]  I truly appreciate it because it exemplifies. It's why, Dave, when I was listening to your radio
[01:30:29.200 --> 01:30:37.920]  show early on, again, this was probably at least 10 years before you had written the book.
[01:30:39.440 --> 01:30:48.160]  I'm like, I have to meet Dave because I felt and heard your purpose. I know you touched on this
[01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:54.320]  as having these external things tell us what our purpose is. We're never going to get to purpose,
[01:30:54.320 --> 01:31:00.960]  if that's the case. Carl Jung talks about this saying that if your path is super clear,
[01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:07.680]  you're probably on someone else's. I think back on 17 years before you wrote the book,
[01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:13.040]  when you started your research, did you know, Dave, that I'm going to write a book on the income tax?
[01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:23.440]  Oh, hell no. No. All I knew was I'm not going to tell the whole story. It's not the purpose here
[01:31:23.440 --> 01:31:28.960]  today. But back before I knew anything about the income tax, when I was just the average
[01:31:28.960 --> 01:31:37.600]  uninformed schmo about the income tax, the IRS took $32,000 out of my company's payroll account.
[01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:46.080]  And due to my law enforcement background, this question was in my mind.
[01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:56.080]  If I wanted to go seize evidence, except for some narrow legal exceptions, on the whole,
[01:31:56.080 --> 01:32:03.520]  98% of the time, if I wanted to go seize evidence, I needed a warrant. If I wanted to seize somebody's
[01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:11.120]  property, I needed a court order or some other form of a warrant or some other form of court
[01:32:11.120 --> 01:32:24.800]  order. I couldn't just say, I say, it would be best if I seize your shit. So I'm going to.
[01:32:25.280 --> 01:32:33.040]  Our system of jurisprudence, 200 plus years of a 235, six and a half,
[01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:42.720]  our history of jurisprudence doesn't allow that. But yet somebody at the IRS,
[01:32:44.400 --> 01:32:49.040]  without going to the judicial branch in any way, shape or form,
[01:32:49.040 --> 01:32:56.560]  form, had literally pulled a piece of a printed form out of their desk, filled in some blanks,
[01:32:57.360 --> 01:33:05.280]  signed it, had their supervisor countersign it, ripped off a copy and mailed it to the
[01:33:05.280 --> 01:33:11.840]  financial institution where I was banking. And the bank just gave them my property.
[01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:18.480]  Now, there's a lot more that goes into that. There's nuances of law and so forth that goes
[01:33:18.480 --> 01:33:23.520]  into all of this that I'm not going to get into today. But it was that simple question.
[01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:32.800]  Without going to the judicial branch, how is it possible for a government employee
[01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:43.040]  to take my shit? Because the government employee says so. I'd read the Constitution enough times
[01:33:43.040 --> 01:33:47.680]  to know that there was no tax exception to the Fourth Amendment.
[01:33:51.120 --> 01:33:57.520]  That was the sole reason I started researching the income tax. Some very good friends of mine,
[01:33:58.160 --> 01:34:01.680]  for whom I have great respect and who are not bullshit artists,
[01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:08.560]  told me that the income tax has never been imposed on the ordinary working American.
[01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:14.080]  And I took that with a grain of salt because at that point, like everybody else, I bought the
[01:34:14.080 --> 01:34:19.360]  bullshit, oh, yeah, the two things that are unavoidable is death and taxation. Of course,
[01:34:19.360 --> 01:34:26.160]  normally, they mean the income tax. So I was just the average schmo. I didn't have any particular
[01:34:26.160 --> 01:34:29.840]  thoughts about the income tax other than I didn't like paying it. Other than that,
[01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:35.360]  I didn't have a thought. But these gentlemen, for whom I have respect, shared
[01:34:35.360 --> 01:34:44.000]  a truth with me that I did not know was a truth at the time. I completely understood it was a truth
[01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:50.000]  to them. I did not know that it was in reality a truth. But then I had the question about how can
[01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:56.000]  a government official just wave a magic wand, fill out a piece of paper, and take my shit? That
[01:34:56.720 --> 01:35:04.000]  was a problem for me legally, constitutionally. Something was amiss. And I guess this goes to
[01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:17.040]  another angle on my purpose. If you are abusing the law to fuck with someone's personal liberty,
[01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:28.800]  I will look into that. And I didn't begin my research because they took $32,000 out of my
[01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:32.880]  payroll account. That really wasn't even my money. It was the money of my employees who had earned
[01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:41.600]  it. But it begged the larger question, is the government doing this to the American people?
[01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:47.440]  Some fucking asshole sitting at the IRS office fills out a form and mails it off to the bank,
[01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:55.040]  and millions of Americans have their shit taken? Because if that's what's going on,
[01:35:55.600 --> 01:36:04.320]  something somewhere is amiss. Something is broken somewhere, or I don't understand what's going on.
[01:36:05.280 --> 01:36:16.240]  But something isn't right. And the understanding is something was amiss, and that it did directly
[01:36:16.240 --> 01:36:22.160]  impact personal liberty of millions of people. It wasn't a selfish motivation because they took
[01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:27.360]  took the money out of my account. The fact that, wait a second, our servant
[01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:36.480]  is doing this? No. The servant is not entitled to decide that he wants to take the silver
[01:36:36.480 --> 01:36:42.160]  silverware and leave the house with it. Our servant is not allowed to do that. But it
[01:36:42.160 --> 01:36:48.000]  appeared that's exactly what the servant was doing. And I had to get to the bottom of that.
[01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:53.360]  And that liberty equation started the 17 years of research.
[01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:58.800]  Thank you for sharing that with your listeners, Dave. I know that many may have heard this. I
[01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:03.680]  know that that's a story that I'm somewhat familiar with, as you and I have had a number
[01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:08.640]  of conversations. But I appreciate you sharing it because I was able to receive out of this
[01:37:09.360 --> 01:37:15.920]  a deeper clarity. I don't think anyone else in this world was equipped to do what you did
[01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:20.560]  with income tax shattering the myths. And your law enforcement background and your experience,
[01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:26.640]  the experiences that had led you up to that point in your life, and also your ability to be
[01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:33.280]  the communicator you are, it's almost as if there was this calling. And I know that that's what you
[01:37:33.280 --> 01:37:38.560]  felt. It's propelled you. It's pulled you to do this work. And it's pulled you along the path.
[01:37:39.120 --> 01:37:45.040]  It's led you to individuals who gave you new information. They weren't meant to
[01:37:45.040 --> 01:37:49.760]  write the book or be the communicator of that information. But you were led to people along
[01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:55.520]  the path. You were led to pieces of information along the path. And this is what knowing and
[01:37:55.520 --> 01:38:02.640]  identifying what one's purpose is from that core true self versus the ego. The ego, again, is just
[01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:08.960]  answering the question, how does the external society expect, what does it expect of me?
[01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:14.560]  And this is why marketing, great marketers know that people are making decisions about
[01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:19.760]  the car they drive, the house they live in. That's all related to how does this make me look
[01:38:20.320 --> 01:38:27.520]  amongst my core friends, coworkers, family? Is this okay? And I'm hearing from you, Dave,
[01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:37.120]  that you took on different income opportunities or gave up even certain income opportunities,
[01:38:37.120 --> 01:38:40.960]  because you didn't care what that group of individuals thought about you.
[01:38:41.040 --> 01:38:47.440]  You were following that deep core driving force within. And so this is what we're talking about
[01:38:47.440 --> 01:38:55.040]  in finding one's purpose. It's getting to that core purpose. But again, I believe based on my own
[01:38:55.040 --> 01:39:00.400]  personal journey as well, what I've been propelled to learn, the books that I've gone on to read and
[01:39:00.400 --> 01:39:05.520]  have been led from one book to another and have been introduced to people that appeared out of
[01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:12.080]  nowhere to teach me certain things. Dave, our paths are different and they're meant to be.
[01:39:13.200 --> 01:39:20.880]  However, all truth comes together. And that's where I'm so grateful that our paths have crossed
[01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:28.000]  so many years ago that have helped me continue on my journey of discovering this inner path.
[01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:34.560]  So when we talk about soul purpose, that's one of the three focuses of soul transformation,
[01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:39.920]  which is within the company Soul Journey. The second one is soul health, which touches on,
[01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:45.440]  yes, body biology, but more on the psyche, understanding the patterns in our lives,
[01:39:46.320 --> 01:39:53.280]  which include programs and belief systems, but recognizing how certain patterns specifically
[01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:59.280]  created the specific results that we're now receiving in life and how to change those.
[01:39:59.920 --> 01:40:05.600]  And then the last one is soul guidance, how to receive divine guidance. And I know we've touched
[01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:10.960]  on this a little bit, but synchronicities. Again, this includes right people, right information
[01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:15.200]  showing up at the exact time that we need it. We're researching, researching, running into a
[01:40:15.200 --> 01:40:20.800]  stumbling block, running into a wall, and then boom, out of nowhere, an area we totally unexpected.
[01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:25.520]  Here comes this synchronicity that provides that information or an individual that comes into our
[01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:32.720]  lives. And for others, and maybe you too, Dave, a dream. We know that scientists like Niels Bohr,
[01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:39.600]  father of quantum mechanics, he's trying to figure out how the atom works. And as he's working on it,
[01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:45.280]  working on it, he has this dream, and the dream is of the solar system. And so he asks the question,
[01:40:45.280 --> 01:40:50.720]  hey, I'm working on trying to figure out how the atom works with the nucleus, the electrons,
[01:40:50.720 --> 01:40:55.600]  the protons. How does that? And now I'm having a dream of the solar system. I wonder if
[01:40:56.320 --> 01:41:00.720]  those two are related. And sure enough, he finds that they operate by the same law.
[01:41:01.360 --> 01:41:06.160]  And so it's just fascinating what we have access to. And then there's another tool within soul
[01:41:06.160 --> 01:41:13.280]  guidance, which is active imagination, which allows us to tap into what's possible. And again,
[01:41:13.280 --> 01:41:19.440]  everyone's journey is unique, and this is what we help them tap into. But Dave, I've watched you
[01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:25.120]  live this. I've watched you experience this. And it's exciting to be able to know people like you
[01:41:25.120 --> 01:41:32.160]  who are examples of following their path. And again, not having this idea, this false idea of
[01:41:32.160 --> 01:41:37.760]  comfort someday, you will continue to challenge yourself. And it's by that, as we think about
[01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:43.520]  exercise, it's challenge. Lifting weight is challenging the muscles. That's how they grow.
[01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:47.840]  That's how we maintain them. If we're not going to challenge anything, if we're just going to
[01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:54.400]  accept things as they are, we fall into those comfort levels, and then matter deteriorates
[01:41:54.400 --> 01:42:06.240]  even more quickly. Yes. On the issue of exercise and the body, you know, I live in a small town
[01:42:06.240 --> 01:42:12.880]  that has a lot of elderly people. I didn't know this when I moved here, but it is nevertheless
[01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:22.320]  the truth. This is sort of a mecca for white older Americans who want to live in a community
[01:42:22.320 --> 01:42:30.880]  with other white older Americans, and only white older Americans. Yeah, I didn't know that when I
[01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:36.560]  first moved here. It was an interesting realization as I started speaking to some of the older people
[01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:42.000]  who lived here, and some of them were forthright about what brought them and some of their friends
[01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:52.000]  and peers here. But nevertheless, one of the things I noticed is that obviously overweight,
[01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:58.560]  obese, a ton of them, this town probably in that regard. I'm going to guess it's worse than most
[01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:07.360]  places. Because, for instance, I drive into Vegas, and it's like the circumference of people's
[01:43:07.360 --> 01:43:15.200]  waist must shrink in Vegas. They have different laws of physics there. But out here, being overweight
[01:43:15.200 --> 01:43:24.640]  and obese, it's rampant. But one of the things I noticed, even those people here who are of what
[01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:36.480]  I would call a normal, healthy weight, their muscles are completely flaccid. I don't know how
[01:43:36.480 --> 01:43:47.680]  they pick up a glass of water. And knowing what I know about the importance of resistance training
[01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:53.040]  to the health of the human body, I think a lot of people imagine that resistance training,
[01:43:53.040 --> 01:44:00.800]  another term for lifting heavy things, or pushing heavy things. I think a lot of people imagine
[01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:09.520]  that you do that, that people who are vain do that. And certainly, some people who do that are vain.
[01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:14.880]  But that's not why you do it. Let me rephrase that. That's not why you should do it.
[01:44:19.360 --> 01:44:24.080]  There is something in the body called the lymph system. And this is all laid out in body science.
[01:44:24.080 --> 01:44:30.240]  I'm not going to talk about this for very long. And the lymph system is critical to a number of
[01:44:31.360 --> 01:44:41.120]  functions in your body, most notably the immune system. And unlike the blood circulatory system
[01:44:41.120 --> 01:44:51.520]  that has a pump, the lymph system does not have a pump. The way lymph fluid moves throughout the
[01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:58.320]  lymphatic system is by the contraction and release, say contraction and release, contraction and
[01:44:58.320 --> 01:45:07.760]  release of various skeletal muscle throughout your body. If you're not on an almost daily basis,
[01:45:07.760 --> 01:45:15.680]  if you're not contracting, releasing, contracting, releasing, and thus that is serving as that pumping
[01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:23.360]  mechanism that moves the lymph fluid through the lymphatic system, if you're not doing that,
[01:45:23.360 --> 01:45:27.120]  you're not healthy, period. I don't care whether you're disease free.
[01:45:28.160 --> 01:45:34.480]  If you're not doing that, if you're not moving the lymph fluid, then you're not healthy. You simply
[01:45:34.480 --> 01:45:42.800]  haven't been hammered yet. So it's not about vanity. Nobody has to go to the gym. There's
[01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:49.360]  all sorts of calisthenics they can do at home. But I see, especially in my town, but I see it elsewhere,
[01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:57.200]  that that's a bother. And this goes back to perhaps the early part of the conversation
[01:45:57.200 --> 01:46:03.600]  where I talked about people being lazy. It's a bother. It takes time away from other important
[01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:17.840]  things like watching television. So during SARS-CoV-2, we knew that the vast majority of people
[01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:25.760]  who were dying, they were elderly with multiple comorbidities. Now,
[01:46:28.080 --> 01:46:34.720]  how did they get those comorbidities? They got them by two different avenues.
[01:46:35.440 --> 01:46:41.200]  One was what they put in their mouth, and the other was the vast majority of them
[01:46:41.200 --> 01:46:48.160]  didn't move their lymph fluid around. So their immune systems were highly compromised
[01:46:48.160 --> 01:47:03.680]  before SARS-CoV-2 ever came out of China. So I don't feel bad for the people who died
[01:47:04.400 --> 01:47:11.920]  from COVID-19. I don't feel bad for them. I feel bad for the people they left behind.
[01:47:13.440 --> 01:47:20.080]  I feel bad for the brothers, the sisters, in some cases the parents,
[01:47:21.120 --> 01:47:29.200]  in many cases the children that now had this void in their life because the older person
[01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:40.800]  was brainwashed concerning nutritional physiology, which I thankfully straightened
[01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:50.320]  out in body science. But equally so was just sedentary and lethargic, and their immune system
[01:47:50.320 --> 01:47:54.400]  was highly compromised for the reasons we just discussed concerning the lymph fluid.
[01:47:54.800 --> 01:48:05.840]  So my point being, I suppose, that the vast majority of those SARS-CoV-19 deaths, the vast
[01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:14.240]  majority could have been prevented by personal conduct, by making the right choices. I did a
[01:48:14.240 --> 01:48:20.800]  video, again, taken down by YouTube, where I talked about the amount of chronic COVID-19
[01:48:21.440 --> 01:48:26.800]  where I talked about the amount of chronic disease. And of course, prior to this 20th century,
[01:48:27.360 --> 01:48:32.720]  everybody contracted their muscle and released, not everybody, virtually everybody,
[01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:36.480]  because we didn't have the conveniences of modern day life. If you wanted to survive,
[01:48:36.480 --> 01:48:39.920]  you got out there and you used your body to survive, right?
[01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:48.560]  So people didn't have to choose to exercise and move that lymph fluid around. Life dictated that
[01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:53.600]  they do that if they wanted to exist, if they wanted to feed themselves, if they wanted to,
[01:48:53.600 --> 01:49:00.000]  you know, just the very basics of life, they had to engage in physical activity if they wanted to
[01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:06.800]  survive. And then, of course, chronic disease was unknown because everybody was eating whole food,
[01:49:07.360 --> 01:49:14.720]  right? Nobody was eating highly processed foods. Meat was a considerable part of the diet of most
[01:49:14.720 --> 01:49:17.680]  Americans, not necessarily people around the world, but many, many Americans.
[01:49:20.160 --> 01:49:26.800]  And I did a video where I talked about what the death toll would have been if SARS-CoV-2 came on
[01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:36.480]  the scene in, as an example, 1890. And my estimate was deaths, and remember, the current perception
[01:49:36.480 --> 01:49:44.320]  of deaths from COVID-19 is exaggerated, because there was no distinction between died from COVID
[01:49:44.320 --> 01:49:49.040]  and died with COVID. So the number is exaggerated to begin with. But no matter whether we take the
[01:49:49.040 --> 01:49:54.640]  exaggerated numbers or a more realistic set of numbers, my estimate was that probably somewhere
[01:49:54.640 --> 01:50:01.040]  in the realm of just 2% of the people who died would have died if SARS-CoV-2 had come on the scene
[01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:08.720]  in 1890. In fact, if it had come on the scene in 1890, it probably would have been a complete
[01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:13.440]  non-event. It wouldn't even be recorded in the history books. It wouldn't even be recorded in
[01:50:13.440 --> 01:50:22.640]  medical history books. It would have been such a trivial issue. But we set ourselves up for a
[01:50:22.640 --> 01:50:30.720]  different dynamic. We did it. The virus didn't do it. We did it. And we collectively don't accept
[01:50:30.720 --> 01:50:36.640]  responsibility. That brings us back to where we first began this conversation, which is personal
[01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:43.200]  responsibility, and asking ourselves, again, you used this woman in the original story,
[01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:52.320]  someone as an example who was not accepting that responsibility. And really, our desire here,
[01:50:53.120 --> 01:50:58.000]  Dave, you have a group of listeners that are different thinkers than the vast majority of
[01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:05.600]  Americans. And so our challenge is for each of us, you and me both, Dave, as well as all of your
[01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:13.520]  listeners, to look ourselves in the mirror and be honest with ourselves. What isn't as good as I
[01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:20.000]  want it to be? That's what starts the question of challenging ourselves. So when I look in the
[01:51:20.000 --> 01:51:25.680]  mirror, and I looked in the mirror years ago, am I in the physical condition that I want to be in?
[01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:33.520]  If the answer is no, please take action. Pick up Dave's book. If you already haven't bought his
[01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:42.160]  book, pick up his book. Start taking the steps. Because if we just continue to believe the idea
[01:51:43.200 --> 01:51:47.280]  that's untrue of what life is going to be like in the future when we retire,
[01:51:48.080 --> 01:51:54.240]  just because we have that as an idea does not guarantee shit. We must abide by what we talked
[01:51:54.240 --> 01:52:01.280]  about before, those natural laws that bring about the success that we believe in, that we want.
[01:52:01.280 --> 01:52:06.080]  Because that, again, is something that's born within us, to be able to live a long healthy life
[01:52:06.080 --> 01:52:12.960]  and enjoy what life has available for us. But by doing it with a false narrative
[01:52:13.840 --> 01:52:19.760]  is going to be very disappointing and very sad indeed, both for individuals and, of course,
[01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:25.360]  for the family members who survived that. So, Dave, I'd like to offer, if you're okay,
[01:52:25.360 --> 01:52:30.160]  I would like to offer, maybe we'll put a link at the bottom of this, for anyone who wants to jump
[01:52:30.240 --> 01:52:36.080]  on a 10 to 15 minute phone call with me and ask some questions about how they can improve either
[01:52:36.080 --> 01:52:42.560]  asking questions or the process of individuation, finding purpose, tapping into some of their own
[01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:48.480]  patterns and resolving those. Because this is a process that will help people achieve what they
[01:52:48.480 --> 01:52:54.480]  want to achieve and put them on that path, again, to discovering purpose, accessing tools that maybe
[01:52:54.480 --> 01:53:01.040]  they don't even know or have awareness that are available to them. I'd like to offer that to
[01:53:01.600 --> 01:53:07.120]  your listeners and have maybe a shortened version of this conversation with anyone who wants to
[01:53:07.120 --> 01:53:15.520]  participate. I would love that. And something you said, because a recollection, a gentleman
[01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:19.600]  that has a very similar background, I mean, we both are from Los Angeles, who are both in the
[01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:26.560]  telecommunications technology side. He still is. But we were both in that industry at the same time,
[01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:32.160]  decades ago. He once said to me, as we're talking about similar issues to you, what we've talked
[01:53:32.160 --> 01:53:41.920]  about today, he said, people could lead better lives, most people don't want to. So, I bring
[01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:52.960]  that up to make the point that I don't know that it is they don't want to. I wonder, I mean,
[01:53:52.960 --> 01:53:59.360]  I don't have an answer. Let me be clear. Whatever my skill sets may be, understanding my fellow man
[01:53:59.360 --> 01:54:05.200]  is not one of my strong points. But I wonder, if it's not so much that they don't want to,
[01:54:05.200 --> 01:54:16.000]  it's that they have hamstrung themselves by the various dynamics and behaviors and
[01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:22.320]  patterns, as you mentioned a moment ago, that have embedded themselves all around them,
[01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:31.040]  like some sort of a tight woven web. So something maybe that they don't want to,
[01:54:31.040 --> 01:54:38.720]  it's that they don't see a way. Because in all their years or all their decades of living,
[01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:46.400]  they have created a system that pretty much constrains their own choices, constrains their
[01:54:46.400 --> 01:54:55.520]  own outlook, constrains their own viewpoint. And so having known her for the many, many years I have,
[01:54:55.520 --> 01:55:00.880]  and having had many similar discussions to the one that you all have had the opportunity to
[01:55:02.160 --> 01:55:09.440]  watch or listen to today, I can't think of a person I know who is better suited.
[01:55:10.240 --> 01:55:17.680]  If you're curious, if maybe you have created that system of constraint
[01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:24.400]  that's preventing you from seeing things in the way you might, making decisions that might be
[01:55:25.040 --> 01:55:31.360]  that you might, in the end, see as much more favorable, you know, one of the kind of things,
[01:55:31.360 --> 01:55:38.000]  why didn't I do that years ago kind of thing. If you want to explore that, I can't think of
[01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:45.360]  anybody better to explore that with than Ernie. And for those of you who've been following me for
[01:55:45.360 --> 01:55:51.280]  a long time, let me be clear. Ernie is a lot more empathetic than I am. Okay.
[01:55:51.280 --> 01:55:59.680]  Okay. Nobody's going to call me and have that discussion. So, yes, Ernie is the right guy to
[01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:03.440]  do that. And Ernie, I would love if you make that information available.
[01:56:05.200 --> 01:56:10.080]  Awesome, Dave. Dave, I really appreciate the time we've been able to spend together, have
[01:56:10.080 --> 01:56:14.800]  this conversation, which is even deeper than what we went in some of our previous ones,
[01:56:14.800 --> 01:56:20.800]  and also for the idea of bringing this to listeners, because those who again claim that
[01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:28.000]  their individual or personal liberty is important to them, it's time we all get really real and
[01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:33.520]  truthful with ourselves about what that really means, and that it does start with the individual.
[01:56:35.360 --> 01:56:39.920]  All right, my friend, I know we're pushing a bit more than two hours, which is pretty much,
[01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:45.520]  I think, what we discussed in terms of today's call. Thank you for making the time available.
[01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:52.000]  And I hope, again, this was a completely novel thing for my show. I hope the audience has
[01:56:52.800 --> 01:56:58.720]  found some value in the time that you and I have taken today for that. Thanks for being here, buddy.
[01:56:58.720 --> 01:57:00.160]  Thank you, Dave. Have a great one.
[01:57:00.160 --> 01:57:00.880]  Take care.
[01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:05.360]  Bye-bye.