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[00:00.000 --> 00:03.840]  Hello, and welcome to another episode of Boundless Body Radio.
[00:03.840 --> 00:08.240]  I'm your host, Casey Ruff, and today we have another amazing guest to reintroduce you now.
[00:08.240 --> 00:10.520]  Dave Champion is a returning guest on our show.
[00:10.520 --> 00:14.900]  Be sure to check out his first appearance in episode 121 and his second appearance in
[00:14.900 --> 00:17.920]  episode 358 of Boundless Body Radio.
[00:17.920 --> 00:21.240]  Both of those episodes are some of my absolute favorite ever, so be sure to go check those
[00:21.240 --> 00:23.880]  out, 121 and 358.
[00:23.880 --> 00:27.340]  Dave Champion is a former Army Ranger with a law enforcement background.
[00:27.340 --> 00:31.740]  In the private sector, Dave is a businessman turned journalist, having hosted his own radio
[00:31.740 --> 00:35.900]  and television shows from the year 2000 through 2018.
[00:35.900 --> 00:40.460]  In addition to being a physiologist with a doctoral degree in political philosophy,
[00:40.460 --> 00:42.980]  Champion has an extensive background in legal studies.
[00:42.980 --> 00:47.540]  Dave has written the groundbreaking and widely claimed income tax, Shattering the Myths.
[00:47.540 --> 00:51.940]  His second book, Body Science, the new 21st century understanding of how your physiology
[00:51.940 --> 00:52.940]  really works.
[00:52.940 --> 00:56.980]  Leave the myths and lies behind, get healthier than you or your doctor ever imagined, and
[00:56.980 --> 01:02.500]  avoid chronic disease is the result of his research into core principles of human physiology,
[01:02.500 --> 01:06.820]  leading to a visionary understanding of how every person on the planet can get healthy,
[01:06.820 --> 01:11.060]  stay healthy, and reduce their odds of getting a diagnosis of chronic disease to virtually
[01:11.060 --> 01:12.060]  zero.
[01:12.060 --> 01:14.780]  It's one of my absolute favorite books on the subject, and we are thrilled to bring
[01:14.780 --> 01:16.340]  Dave back on to chat about it.
[01:16.340 --> 01:18.620]  Dave Champion, welcome back to Boundless Body Radio.
[01:18.620 --> 01:19.620]  Thanks, buddy.
[01:19.620 --> 01:21.580]  It's wonderful that you have me back again.
[01:21.580 --> 01:22.580]  I love it.
[01:22.580 --> 01:23.580]  Yeah.
[01:23.580 --> 01:24.580]  I'm so glad you're back.
[01:24.580 --> 01:26.060]  I've always had a great time chatting with you.
[01:26.060 --> 01:30.540]  Like I said in the introduction, 121 was an awesome episode all about cholesterol.
[01:30.540 --> 01:32.380]  We really made that the focus.
[01:32.380 --> 01:35.700]  The second episode we did, which is 358, was awesome.
[01:35.700 --> 01:40.300]  We took a look at ketosis and the term that you coined, glucose, which I absolutely love.
[01:40.300 --> 01:43.700]  We just went on a trip to Mexico and I was looking at my bookcase.
[01:43.700 --> 01:47.580]  I don't normally get a ton of time to read a whole lot, but there we had nothing to do
[01:47.580 --> 01:48.580]  but sit on the beach.
[01:48.580 --> 01:51.520]  And I was looking through all my books and trying to decide what I was going to take.
[01:51.520 --> 01:56.280]  And I chose Body Science again, which I've read for now the third time, read it cover
[01:56.280 --> 01:57.600]  to cover on the beach.
[01:57.600 --> 01:58.600]  It's awesome.
[01:58.600 --> 01:59.600]  I love it.
[01:59.600 --> 02:00.600]  It's a great book.
[02:00.600 --> 02:01.600]  Better for a third time.
[02:01.600 --> 02:02.600]  I love that.
[02:02.600 --> 02:03.600]  Thank you.
[02:03.600 --> 02:05.080]  Every time I read it, I get something new out of it.
[02:05.080 --> 02:06.480]  So I really, really appreciate that.
[02:06.480 --> 02:10.140]  So we're going to deep dive into some other parts of your book today that we maybe kind
[02:10.140 --> 02:11.640]  of brushed over in the other discussions.
[02:11.640 --> 02:14.840]  Like I said, I definitely recommend that people go back and check that out.
[02:14.840 --> 02:20.480]  Before we do, this tends to be our kind of annual welfare check, which is making sure
[02:20.520 --> 02:22.080]  that you're doing OK.
[02:22.080 --> 02:23.800]  Your heart hasn't exploded.
[02:23.800 --> 02:28.280]  Your scurvy hasn't gotten so much worse after all these years of doing carnivore.
[02:28.280 --> 02:29.560]  How are you doing?
[02:29.560 --> 02:30.560]  I am doing supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
[02:30.560 --> 02:42.680]  You know, I turned 64 a couple of months back, and with the exception of the fact that being
[02:42.680 --> 02:48.660]  an idiot during my early years in the gym, I completely trashed my shoulders.
[02:48.660 --> 02:54.060]  Other than that, I am more fit and correctly fit.
[02:54.060 --> 02:56.820]  And as a trainer, you know what I mean by that.
[02:56.820 --> 03:00.780]  You know, guys that go to the gym are not necessarily correctly fit.
[03:00.780 --> 03:05.860]  I am more correctly fit today than I've been at any point in my life.
[03:05.860 --> 03:07.420]  Yeah, that's amazing.
[03:07.420 --> 03:11.300]  How much of that do you attribute to your diet?
[03:11.300 --> 03:15.620]  90 percent.
[03:15.620 --> 03:16.620]  90 percent.
[03:16.620 --> 03:18.260]  Yeah, I've always been in the gym.
[03:18.260 --> 03:28.060]  I got home from the military in late October of 1984, and literally days later, I joined
[03:28.060 --> 03:32.660]  I don't think it exists anymore, Holiday Health Spa.
[03:32.660 --> 03:38.940]  So I've been going to the gym since late 1984, and I'm a five to seven day a week guy and
[03:38.940 --> 03:44.100]  have been for what is that, 36 years, something like that, 39 years.
[03:44.100 --> 03:47.360]  So I've always been a gym guy.
[03:47.360 --> 03:52.860]  But as I mentioned a moment ago, that didn't always make me a properly fit guy.
[03:52.860 --> 04:00.500]  But I don't know if we talked about this in either of the previous two chats we've had.
[04:00.500 --> 04:12.340]  Prior to my deciding to explore the concept of ketosis, I was insulin resistant and I
[04:12.340 --> 04:13.980]  didn't know it.
[04:13.980 --> 04:23.860]  Interestingly, I went to three separate doctors because I had these symptoms, and I couldn't
[04:23.860 --> 04:27.260]  figure out what was wrong with me.
[04:27.260 --> 04:28.260]  But I knew something was wrong.
[04:28.260 --> 04:35.140]  So I went to three separate doctors, and I gave them five symptoms, which are ironically
[04:35.140 --> 04:41.580]  the five primary symptoms of insulin resistance, which as you know is an epidemic in this country.
[04:41.620 --> 04:47.220]  And not one of them said, oh, you're insulin resistant.
[04:47.220 --> 04:51.260]  All three of them said, well, we really don't know what's wrong with you.
[04:51.260 --> 04:58.260]  Now, if you'd ask me a year, two years, three years, four years after that, I would have
[04:58.260 --> 05:08.260]  said it just speaks to the fact that although many people to some extent worship MDs, they're
[05:08.300 --> 05:15.220]  actually in reality when, let's say, here's their knowledge of human physiology, right?
[05:15.220 --> 05:20.940]  And as people's their own knowledge of human physiology increases, suddenly they realize
[05:20.940 --> 05:28.660]  that doctors are far less bright than the public generally gives them credit for.
[05:28.660 --> 05:30.980]  How's that for tactful?
[05:30.980 --> 05:36.620]  But if you would ask me today, why do I think they said, we don't know what's wrong with
[05:36.660 --> 05:38.260]  you?
[05:38.260 --> 05:42.260]  I would give you a more cynical answer today than I would have given you several years
[05:42.260 --> 05:43.260]  ago.
[05:43.260 --> 05:51.820]  And the cynical answer today is if they say, we don't know, they know what the next step
[05:51.820 --> 05:57.900]  is after insulin resistance, type two.
[05:57.900 --> 06:02.500]  And with type two comes a whole slew of other chronic diseases.
[06:02.500 --> 06:03.500]  Type two is the foundation.
[06:03.980 --> 06:06.260]  Well, actually, insulin resistance is the foundation.
[06:06.260 --> 06:15.140]  But as far as a real diagnosable chronic disease, type two is the foundation for all these other
[06:15.140 --> 06:20.300]  horrible chronic diseases from which the medical industry makes literally trillions of dollars
[06:20.300 --> 06:21.380]  a year.
[06:21.380 --> 06:28.100]  So my 2024 more cynical self says, I find it hard to believe that not one of the three
[06:28.100 --> 06:32.780]  recognize the five primary signs of insulin resistance when they said, oh, we don't know
[06:32.780 --> 06:33.900]  what's wrong with you.
[06:33.900 --> 06:36.300]  My more cynical self says they knew.
[06:36.300 --> 06:42.300]  But to solve the problem then would have deprived them of all the income that was to come.
[06:42.300 --> 06:45.340]  Like I said, my new more cynical self.
[06:45.340 --> 06:46.460]  It's such a good point.
[06:46.460 --> 06:47.980]  And I definitely want to talk about this today.
[06:47.980 --> 06:52.740]  The implications of the information in your book and some of your later chapters where
[06:52.740 --> 06:56.420]  you go into all of these different industries and all the trillions of dollars and square
[06:56.420 --> 07:01.020]  footage, even of grocery stores, like all of these things would change if people got
[07:01.020 --> 07:02.980]  the information that you write about.
[07:02.980 --> 07:07.780]  And we can sit here and pretty much say that even though here we are banging this drum
[07:07.780 --> 07:11.740]  as loudly as we can and trying to get this message out far and wide, we did.
[07:11.740 --> 07:14.060]  This information is not going to get out to everybody.
[07:14.060 --> 07:18.700]  Unfortunately, it's going to get maybe a very, very, very small minority of people, and it's
[07:18.700 --> 07:23.660]  going to remain suppressed because of that reason, because it makes so much money.
[07:23.660 --> 07:27.580]  I love the point that Nina Teichel's made when we interviewed her a few years ago when
[07:27.580 --> 07:32.940]  she said, like, what is what is the nicest, newest building anywhere around you?
[07:32.940 --> 07:35.820]  And it's always an addition to a hospital.
[07:35.820 --> 07:36.820]  It's an add on.
[07:36.820 --> 07:37.980]  It's an oncology center.
[07:37.980 --> 07:41.220]  It's always in the medical industry.
[07:41.220 --> 07:42.220]  That's where all the money is.
[07:42.220 --> 07:44.540]  And it's it's right in front of our faces.
[07:44.540 --> 07:45.540]  Absolutely.
[07:45.540 --> 07:46.540]  Absolutely.
[07:46.540 --> 07:49.140]  It's it's.
[07:49.140 --> 07:52.340]  And I think there's a large percentage of the American population that thinks that's
[07:52.340 --> 07:59.460]  great that we're taking care of our population.
[07:59.460 --> 08:04.820]  What they don't realize is that and I'm not damning any of these medical corporations
[08:04.820 --> 08:07.660]  for meeting a need, OK?
[08:07.660 --> 08:12.620]  If I would, if I was the CEO of Medical Corporation, I'd be meeting a need.
[08:12.620 --> 08:15.060]  The problem is the disinformation.
[08:15.060 --> 08:20.660]  And that's really coming out from the highest levels of the United States government, CDC,
[08:20.660 --> 08:21.900]  NIH.
[08:21.940 --> 08:26.660]  It's coming from Big Pharma, who they're the amount of money that they pump into media
[08:26.660 --> 08:27.780]  advertising.
[08:27.780 --> 08:34.460]  They control what the media is willing to say, because if they say the wrong thing,
[08:34.460 --> 08:39.660]  then companies such as Pfizer and others will yank their advertising money.
[08:39.660 --> 08:44.660]  Same thing with the processed food industry, which these days is the vast majority of all
[08:44.660 --> 08:45.660]  food.
[08:45.660 --> 08:51.460]  I mean, you walk through the grocery store aisles just as an exercise and you you determine
[08:51.460 --> 08:57.500]  what's processed and what's whole or natural, OK?
[08:57.500 --> 09:01.940]  And, you know, I don't know what the actual stats would be, but just thinking through
[09:01.940 --> 09:09.980]  as I walk through the grocery store, it's like 97% processed food and 3% whole or natural
[09:09.980 --> 09:10.980]  food.
[09:10.980 --> 09:11.980]  Easy.
[09:11.980 --> 09:18.060]  And so those companies, Big Pharma, Big Med and Big Food, hold tremendous sway over what
[09:18.060 --> 09:20.260]  the media says.
[09:20.260 --> 09:22.300]  And there is a narrative.
[09:22.300 --> 09:28.820]  And here's the part that challenges me that I don't understand.
[09:28.820 --> 09:30.820]  I get that money talks.
[09:30.820 --> 09:31.820]  What's that old adage?
[09:31.820 --> 09:33.260]  Money talks, bullshit walks.
[09:33.260 --> 09:37.980]  I get that.
[09:37.980 --> 09:42.620]  But the part I struggle with, because this is a free country, right, in theory, and we
[09:42.620 --> 09:47.420]  have free speech unless you're on like Facebook or YouTube.
[09:47.420 --> 09:55.620]  So the part I struggle with is that the disinformation, OK, it's not not disinformation.
[09:55.620 --> 10:00.980]  I want to call it malinformation because it's done with malice and intent.
[10:00.980 --> 10:01.980]  It's not.
[10:01.980 --> 10:04.140]  Well, I suppose it is disinformation.
[10:04.140 --> 10:08.900]  But even disinformation doesn't necessarily carry malice with it.
[10:08.900 --> 10:13.220]  OK, I think we're talking about here is malinformation.
[10:13.220 --> 10:15.220]  There is malice intended.
[10:15.220 --> 10:18.400]  It is intended.
[10:18.400 --> 10:23.140]  If you were to take the information that say Big Pharma, we'll just use them as an example,
[10:23.140 --> 10:28.100]  take the information that they put out on health, I'm going to guess somewhere in the
[10:28.100 --> 10:30.540]  range of 98 percent of that will make you sick.
[10:30.540 --> 10:34.820]  If you follow that advice, you'll be sick and you'll need their meds.
[10:34.820 --> 10:41.860]  And of course, that being sick generally leads to a person dying years or even decades earlier
[10:42.420 --> 10:44.100]  otherwise would be the case.
[10:44.100 --> 10:47.620]  And that's taking them away from their spouses, taking them away from their kids.
[10:47.620 --> 10:53.020]  If they're a business owner is jeopardizing the livelihoods of all the people who are
[10:53.020 --> 10:54.020]  played by them.
[10:54.020 --> 10:55.020]  And on and on we go.
[10:55.020 --> 11:03.940]  Just all of this, these horrible implications that are consequences that befall or flow
[11:03.940 --> 11:07.580]  from malinformation.
[11:07.580 --> 11:09.460]  They know it's a lie.
[11:09.460 --> 11:14.660]  They know they're making people sick to get money.
[11:14.660 --> 11:16.860]  And we don't seem to have this goes to your point.
[11:16.860 --> 11:22.420]  We don't seem to have a way for the message to break out.
[11:22.420 --> 11:29.220]  That's the part that's frustrating to me in a free country, that there appears to be no
[11:29.220 --> 11:34.460]  way for the message to actually break out and run.
[11:34.460 --> 11:36.420]  Yeah, absolutely.
[11:36.420 --> 11:37.420]  It's a great point.
[11:37.660 --> 11:41.340]  It's clear even in the latest Netflix documentary that just dropped.
[11:41.340 --> 11:44.500]  It's all about the twin study and they promote a vegan diet.
[11:44.500 --> 11:46.140]  And you see all these headlines.
[11:46.140 --> 11:51.780]  I'm having the worst, most unenviable position of having to watch it because my phone is
[11:51.780 --> 11:52.780]  blowing up.
[11:52.780 --> 11:53.780]  People are asking me about it.
[11:53.780 --> 11:57.060]  They're asking me about vegan diets and how they're so healthy and why I'm promoting like
[11:57.060 --> 11:58.860]  an all meat diet like you are.
[11:58.860 --> 12:03.180]  And so I have to watch this stuff and it's four episodes of 45 minutes each.
[12:03.180 --> 12:05.180]  And it's so convincing.
[12:05.180 --> 12:09.180]  And you don't you don't see behind the headlines where, you know, Christopher Gardner, whatever
[12:09.180 --> 12:11.660]  his name is, is getting funded by Beyond Meats.
[12:11.660 --> 12:15.580]  So, of course, they're putting people on fake processed meats that are terrible for the
[12:15.580 --> 12:17.340]  environment and terrible for our health.
[12:17.340 --> 12:21.100]  And promoting that is this shiny new amazing thing that everybody's going to watch and
[12:21.100 --> 12:22.980]  think like, yeah, this is great.
[12:22.980 --> 12:25.460]  Did you ever watch the documentary?
[12:25.460 --> 12:26.460]  What is it?
[12:26.460 --> 12:27.460]  Forks over knives?
[12:27.460 --> 12:28.460]  Yes.
[12:28.460 --> 12:29.460]  Okay.
[12:29.460 --> 12:32.780]  So I was more naive back then.
[12:32.780 --> 12:35.620]  So, you know, I had to do my follow up research.
[12:35.620 --> 12:40.580]  But when I watched that, I was like, oh, wow.
[12:40.580 --> 12:43.420]  But when I say more naive.
[12:43.420 --> 12:50.060]  The idea because that's not like big pharma, right, that that's not trillion dollar industries
[12:50.060 --> 12:51.060]  lying to you.
[12:51.060 --> 12:54.220]  It's just some guy making a documentary.
[12:54.220 --> 12:56.860]  So I had to go back into my research and you may remember from that.
[12:56.860 --> 13:02.140]  They talked about what happened with World War Two when the Nazis came in and took all
[13:02.140 --> 13:07.620]  the meat and in Europe and then suddenly cardiovascular disease and various other
[13:07.620 --> 13:11.260]  chronic diseases suddenly plunged, right?
[13:11.260 --> 13:14.620]  And that they only came back.
[13:14.620 --> 13:22.660]  They only made a resurgence in Western Europe after the end of World War Two, when various
[13:22.660 --> 13:28.620]  farming operations that involved animals are slaughtered for food.
[13:28.660 --> 13:33.300]  When those operations came back and began to grow back to their previous status, that's
[13:33.300 --> 13:36.700]  when heart disease came back to Europe.
[13:36.700 --> 13:43.180]  And what it really was, I mean, this was a lie by omission.
[13:43.180 --> 13:50.100]  What it really was is the Nazis seized all the grain and sugar along with the meat.
[13:50.260 --> 13:59.100]  But the producer and director of Knives Over Four, Forks Over Knives, they lied by omission.
[13:59.100 --> 14:02.700]  They didn't talk about the fact that Nazis seized all the grain.
[14:02.700 --> 14:05.900]  They didn't talk about the fact that Nazis seized all the sugar.
[14:05.900 --> 14:07.220]  They didn't talk about heart disease.
[14:07.220 --> 14:14.460]  The real reason heart disease came back when the economy came back is because sugar and
[14:14.460 --> 14:16.140]  grain came back.
[14:16.140 --> 14:22.140]  Now, you and I know this, but for the sake of the audience, there are, I don't know how
[14:22.140 --> 14:25.260]  many people there are out there who eat carnivore style.
[14:25.260 --> 14:29.540]  I'm going to guess at this time because it's a thing right now.
[14:29.540 --> 14:32.140]  I don't know if it'll continue and grow, but it's a thing right now.
[14:32.140 --> 14:36.100]  So there's, what, 334 million Americans here.
[14:36.100 --> 14:40.620]  So I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe a million are carnivore right now.
[14:40.620 --> 14:44.660]  So if you look at the carnivore, and you know some of those people have been carnivore for
[14:44.740 --> 14:50.380]  decades, and the rest, the people who have taken on carnivore more recently, they're
[14:50.380 --> 14:53.780]  just getting on board belatedly, okay?
[14:53.780 --> 14:57.620]  And when you talk to people who have been carnivore for years, I would be an example
[14:57.620 --> 15:03.860]  of that, when you talk to people who have been carnivore for years, excuse me, you don't
[15:03.860 --> 15:04.980]  find any heart disease.
[15:04.980 --> 15:06.540]  You don't find any hypertension.
[15:06.540 --> 15:08.260]  You don't find any type 2 diabetes.
[15:08.260 --> 15:13.300]  You don't find any, just on heart, you just on and on and on.
[15:13.300 --> 15:15.380]  They're absolutely incredibly healthy.
[15:15.380 --> 15:23.060]  So now if we go back to forks over knives, clearly it was not eating meat.
[15:23.060 --> 15:31.740]  And the only other food source that people consumed a fair amount of in Europe post World
[15:31.740 --> 15:35.920]  War II were grains and sugar.
[15:35.920 --> 15:40.860]  So if we know from our carnivore experience, if we could take meat out of the picture,
[15:40.860 --> 15:42.700]  what's left?
[15:42.700 --> 15:45.700]  The grains and the sugars.
[15:45.700 --> 15:47.500]  Yeah.
[15:47.500 --> 15:53.700]  I have a lot of animosity towards people like the producer and director of forks over knives.
[15:53.700 --> 16:00.380]  And what was that one where they were focusing on high performing athletes?
[16:00.380 --> 16:01.780]  Game changers.
[16:01.780 --> 16:04.780]  Game changer.
[16:04.780 --> 16:13.420]  You know, I know that they're pushing more of a personal agenda, but they're really no
[16:13.420 --> 16:20.700]  different than Big Pharma, Big Med and Big Food, because they're lying, willfully, knowingly
[16:20.700 --> 16:28.500]  and intentionally lying to people to get people to follow what they do or what they want.
[16:28.500 --> 16:35.500]  There is no way to review the evidence on the nutritional distinctions between vegetarian
[16:35.500 --> 16:37.140]  or vegan.
[16:37.140 --> 16:41.380]  And the person doesn't have to be carnivore, let's just say that they have a diet that's
[16:41.380 --> 16:46.260]  low carb and high on meats.
[16:46.260 --> 16:57.700]  The nutritional data looked at objectively is so crystal clear that either they are complete
[16:58.380 --> 17:01.860]  idiots, which I don't believe.
[17:01.860 --> 17:05.500]  Or they're knowingly, willfully and intentionally lying to people simply to influence people
[17:05.500 --> 17:08.980]  to do what they think is the right thing.
[17:08.980 --> 17:13.140]  And you've probably talked to people who were vegan.
[17:13.140 --> 17:15.220]  Yeah, absolutely.
[17:15.220 --> 17:20.420]  Just reading a comment somebody said to me this morning that they had been vegan for
[17:20.420 --> 17:24.380]  years and they eventually went, they attempted to go.
[17:24.420 --> 17:31.620]  The story is he attempted to go vegetarian keto that and he said, you know, during his
[17:31.620 --> 17:34.940]  time in vegan, his health was going down, down, down, down, down.
[17:34.940 --> 17:44.060]  So when he shifted into vegetarian based keto, his continued on that trajectory.
[17:44.060 --> 17:49.980]  And then when he went carnivore, who turned around, he says at 47 years old, he's the
[17:49.980 --> 17:53.740]  healthiest he's ever been in his entire life and all he eats is meat.
[17:53.900 --> 17:56.380]  And that's, you know, that's a universal story.
[17:58.380 --> 18:01.660]  So how can these other guys not know this?
[18:01.660 --> 18:03.500]  They do know they know.
[18:04.460 --> 18:07.980]  I love that you make such a strong point of that in the book.
[18:07.980 --> 18:11.820]  It's like, you know, you're way smarter than I am.
[18:12.380 --> 18:16.940]  Me and my feeble brain could sit down and have a sink and say, like, OK, if I were to
[18:16.940 --> 18:22.780]  design a study, I guess you could get a group of carnivores and a group of vegans or vegetarians
[18:22.780 --> 18:25.020]  and compare them on several different things.
[18:25.020 --> 18:28.220]  Just make sure that the people on carnivore are eating an animal based diet.
[18:28.860 --> 18:30.860]  That would be fairly easy to do.
[18:30.860 --> 18:36.220]  And why hasn't anybody accidentally kind of done that study is for exactly the point you
[18:36.220 --> 18:39.180]  make. It's like they know they know what the outcome would be.
[18:39.180 --> 18:40.220]  They will not touch it.
[18:40.220 --> 18:41.260]  They don't fund it.
[18:41.260 --> 18:45.500]  The studies that we see that are being done on things like LDL cholesterol that Dave Feldman
[18:45.500 --> 18:47.980]  is doing, those are funded by us in the community.
[18:48.220 --> 18:54.380]  He has to go out and get citizens to fund his research because this will not be covered
[18:54.380 --> 18:56.380]  by the people who do the studies.
[18:56.380 --> 18:57.340]  I wonder why.
[18:57.340 --> 18:59.180]  Gee, it's because they already know.
[19:00.220 --> 19:05.580]  When I, you know, the study that Dave Feldman released, the preliminary results wasn't about
[19:05.580 --> 19:06.620]  two or three weeks ago.
[19:06.620 --> 19:07.120]  Right.
[19:07.580 --> 19:11.980]  Comparing lean mass hyper responders to the Miami heart study.
[19:11.980 --> 19:12.480]  OK.
[19:13.180 --> 19:15.420]  I'm not going to go into that unless you choose to.
[19:15.420 --> 19:21.100]  But I did a relatively brief video where I talked about that because I want people to
[19:21.100 --> 19:31.580]  understand that that is the first cannon shot to utterly destroy the false establishment
[19:31.580 --> 19:36.140]  narrative about cholesterol that's been in existence for 60 years now.
[19:36.140 --> 19:40.060]  And I was very clear that the study has its limitations.
[19:40.540 --> 19:46.380]  It nobody should believe their cholesterol numbers are irrelevant at this point
[19:47.500 --> 19:48.780]  because people are in glucose.
[19:48.780 --> 19:49.660]  That's a whole different story.
[19:51.100 --> 19:56.380]  But I know Dave has more studies pending that he intends to do.
[19:56.380 --> 19:59.500]  And this is this made sense as the first one.
[19:59.500 --> 20:00.000]  OK.
[20:03.260 --> 20:05.260]  But you brought this up.
[20:05.980 --> 20:09.900]  We live in a country where I mean, how much money do you think
[20:09.980 --> 20:15.420]  has been spent on cholesterol research by the establishment in the last 50 years?
[20:16.220 --> 20:18.780]  Would it be fair to say billions, tens of billions?
[20:19.340 --> 20:20.620]  Billions, trillions of the T.
[20:22.060 --> 20:22.560]  OK.
[20:25.260 --> 20:30.460]  And yet to do the kind of research that you would want, that I would want,
[20:30.460 --> 20:36.620]  Dave Feldman is actively pursuing in the wealthiest country in the world.
[20:37.820 --> 20:39.660]  That research has to be crowdfunded.
[20:40.620 --> 20:47.740]  Because the establishment won't fund it because they already know what the results will be.
[20:48.460 --> 20:49.180]  And it will.
[20:49.820 --> 20:53.820]  You were talking about this a little bit ago with the grocery stores and the square funds
[20:53.820 --> 20:58.380]  and the economic upheaval that would occur if everybody learned the truth.
[21:01.420 --> 21:04.300]  Everybody's got their fingers in the financial.
[21:04.300 --> 21:04.700]  I'm sorry.
[21:04.700 --> 21:07.820]  All the big players that can fund the kind of research that Dave is doing
[21:07.820 --> 21:09.980]  all have their financial fingers in the pie.
[21:10.700 --> 21:11.200]  OK.
[21:11.580 --> 21:14.140]  So none of them are willing to do the research.
[21:15.580 --> 21:19.340]  You take a look at Big Pharma, I'm just I'm going to this is a hypothetical number,
[21:19.340 --> 21:26.380]  but I'm going to guess if all 334 million Americans switch to carnivore today,
[21:27.580 --> 21:33.180]  by this day next year, Big Pharma's profits would probably be down 80%.
[21:33.180 --> 21:37.740]  Big meds profits would probably be down more than that.
[21:39.580 --> 21:43.420]  Instead of whining about the cost of an office visit, which I understand it's high right now
[21:43.420 --> 21:45.980]  because doctors are in high demand because everybody's sick, right?
[21:46.700 --> 21:51.820]  But if all 334 million Americans were to adopt carnivore in a year from now,
[21:51.820 --> 21:54.380]  you could probably do an office visit with your doctor for 30 bucks.
[21:56.220 --> 21:59.900]  Because the doctor would be like, I need to accept 30 bucks or I need to go find another job.
[22:00.860 --> 22:02.620]  There's not enough patients anymore.
[22:02.620 --> 22:03.120]  That's right.
[22:04.080 --> 22:05.120]  Yeah, that's right.
[22:05.120 --> 22:05.600]  Yeah.
[22:05.600 --> 22:08.080]  So kudos to you for getting the word out.
[22:08.080 --> 22:09.680]  Dave Feldman for doing what he's doing.
[22:11.280 --> 22:12.320]  We're making progress.
[22:12.320 --> 22:16.800]  I just I'm frustrated that it's like molasses in winter.
[22:17.760 --> 22:18.480]  Yeah, I know.
[22:18.480 --> 22:18.880]  I know.
[22:18.880 --> 22:22.560]  Like sitting in low carb Denver last year when Dave Feldman is revealing some of that
[22:22.560 --> 22:27.360]  preliminary data on the study and the room is like dead silent.
[22:27.360 --> 22:28.400]  You can hear a pin drop.
[22:28.480 --> 22:34.400]  Everybody gasp when they see the numbers that could finally like show that there's no real
[22:34.400 --> 22:37.040]  causal connection between LDL cholesterol and heart attacks.
[22:37.040 --> 22:38.960]  And the room is sold it up and energize.
[22:38.960 --> 22:42.720]  You go back out in the real world and you're like, oh, yeah, it's all kind of the same.
[22:44.000 --> 22:45.840]  This conference room is really excited about this,
[22:45.840 --> 22:49.120]  but none of these other people are going to understand this information.
[22:49.120 --> 22:50.480]  So it's rough.
[22:50.480 --> 22:54.000]  And kudos to you for writing the book.
[22:54.000 --> 22:58.160]  One thing you do so well is explain the difference between ketosis and glucose.
[22:58.160 --> 23:00.480]  We deep dive into this in our last episode.
[23:00.480 --> 23:03.360]  But I think it's fair to go to since you've already talked about the diet.
[23:03.360 --> 23:04.960]  You talked about meat and carnivore.
[23:04.960 --> 23:06.960]  You've talked about grain, seeds and sugars.
[23:06.960 --> 23:11.920]  Can you talk about the two hemispheres, as you call them, how humans use energy?
[23:12.480 --> 23:12.980]  Sure.
[23:13.600 --> 23:19.520]  So what Casey's referring to when he says two hemispheres is there's only two ways that the
[23:20.160 --> 23:22.480]  human body can fuel its cells.
[23:23.360 --> 23:26.000]  One way is through glucose.
[23:26.000 --> 23:29.520]  And that's where the cells actually they burn glucose.
[23:29.520 --> 23:31.040]  They go through the ATP cycle.
[23:31.920 --> 23:34.320]  And that's what produces cellular energy.
[23:34.320 --> 23:44.480]  And it is presumed in modern times without one has to completely dismiss
[23:45.840 --> 23:48.000]  nutritional anthropology to make this statement.
[23:48.000 --> 23:56.960]  But in our modern scientific times, burning glucose is considered the way you fuel cells.
[23:56.960 --> 23:58.080]  It's the only way.
[23:58.080 --> 23:59.760]  It's always been the only way.
[23:59.760 --> 24:01.840]  And that's a completely idiotic statement.
[24:01.840 --> 24:05.040]  But that's 99.9% of the world believes that.
[24:06.480 --> 24:11.360]  And I'm not going to get into what that actually is.
[24:11.360 --> 24:12.640]  Maybe in a bit we'll get to that.
[24:13.760 --> 24:17.440]  But one case you said there's two hemispheres is because there's only two different ways to
[24:17.440 --> 24:18.400]  fuel. There's no third.
[24:19.040 --> 24:24.400]  And the alternative to fueling cells with glucose is to fuel the cells
[24:24.400 --> 24:28.560]  with predominantly fatty acids and to a lesser extent ketones.
[24:29.280 --> 24:36.640]  And that is what everybody's heard of the keto diet and everybody's heard of carnivore.
[24:36.640 --> 24:42.000]  But I'm not sure that everybody understands that the only purpose for eating that way really,
[24:42.000 --> 24:44.640]  I mean, because who doesn't love the taste of a donut?
[24:44.640 --> 24:45.140]  Okay.
[24:45.780 --> 24:50.980]  The only reason when the people that eat keto style or carnivore style
[24:50.980 --> 24:53.380]  is to get into this thing called ketosis.
[24:54.500 --> 24:56.820]  That's where the magic happens.
[24:57.380 --> 25:02.900]  We eat keto style or carnivore style to get there and stay there.
[25:02.900 --> 25:04.980]  The magic isn't carnivore per se.
[25:04.980 --> 25:07.140]  The magic isn't keto per se.
[25:07.140 --> 25:15.060]  The magic is the physiological state of ketosis where all 100 trillion cells of our body
[25:15.380 --> 25:20.580]  are rejecting glucose as an energy source and are now burning primarily fatty acids
[25:20.580 --> 25:22.020]  into a lesser extent ketones.
[25:22.020 --> 25:28.260]  Now, when I started putting together all the information I wanted to share with people
[25:28.260 --> 25:37.620]  in body science, I was surprised to find that this hemisphere where your body,
[25:37.620 --> 25:42.660]  your cells burn glucose for energy did not have a name.
[25:43.620 --> 25:45.780]  What's that old adage?
[25:45.780 --> 25:47.780]  The last thing a fish would notice is water.
[25:50.980 --> 25:58.500]  The world was so entrenched in this thing that cells burn glucose.
[25:58.500 --> 25:59.460]  That's what they do.
[25:59.460 --> 26:00.420]  They've always done.
[26:00.420 --> 26:01.700]  They always will do.
[26:01.700 --> 26:02.980]  It's the way.
[26:03.700 --> 26:09.300]  People were so ingrained in that that it didn't even have a name.
[26:09.300 --> 26:10.340]  It was just that's normal.
[26:11.300 --> 26:17.540]  You have normal and ketosis, which is totally absurd.
[26:18.180 --> 26:21.060]  I actually had to find a name and I thought the appropriate
[26:22.980 --> 26:29.620]  way to characterize if burning ketones is ketosis, then burning glucose should probably be
[26:29.620 --> 26:30.340]  glucose.
[26:30.340 --> 26:37.460]  And so I gave it that name because if you can't call something by its name,
[26:37.540 --> 26:40.580]  it becomes difficult to have a discussion about it.
[26:41.460 --> 26:47.300]  So ketosis was coined in 1921.
[26:47.300 --> 26:51.700]  So that word's been around ages, more than 100 years.
[26:53.220 --> 26:57.300]  But it was so odd to me that this other hemisphere, of which there's only two,
[26:58.820 --> 27:00.260]  didn't have a name.
[27:00.260 --> 27:01.300]  That's just crazy.
[27:01.300 --> 27:06.980]  And again, the more cynical side of me wonders if there aren't reasons for that,
[27:06.980 --> 27:08.980]  such as I know we're going to get into it a little bit.
[27:08.980 --> 27:13.140]  The hepatic lipid system, the lipid lipid system, they had no names.
[27:13.140 --> 27:14.580]  How do you talk about them without a name?
[27:15.700 --> 27:17.220]  Yeah, yeah.
[27:17.220 --> 27:22.740]  So the point I think I want to make when we're talking about glucose versus ketosis.
[27:25.380 --> 27:31.540]  Anthropologically speaking, hominids for millions of years existed from birth to death
[27:32.500 --> 27:33.620]  in ketosis.
[27:34.580 --> 27:38.020]  Glucose was unknown to ancient man.
[27:39.860 --> 27:46.580]  And that only began to change, not even really with the first agricultural revolution, because
[27:48.020 --> 27:49.460]  that still wasn't very widespread.
[27:50.740 --> 27:54.900]  That only really started to change with the second agricultural revolution, when
[27:57.060 --> 28:02.180]  things like grains became plentiful for the masses.
[28:02.180 --> 28:06.900]  And you probably know from reading history, you go back, say, to the dark ages just to put a pin
[28:06.900 --> 28:07.620]  on the timeline.
[28:10.100 --> 28:17.700]  Meat was the food of royalty, and grain was the food of peasants.
[28:18.900 --> 28:20.980]  And it still is today.
[28:21.620 --> 28:27.780]  The problem is now, over the last, I don't know, several, several decades,
[28:28.740 --> 28:35.460]  the government has convinced the American people that eating grains and sugar,
[28:35.460 --> 28:38.020]  that's the sign of a successful economy.
[28:38.020 --> 28:39.700]  And you've made it in life.
[28:39.700 --> 28:42.820]  If you could have pasta all the time, it's just absolute nonsense.
[28:42.820 --> 28:44.820]  Yeah, yeah, no.
[28:44.820 --> 28:45.060]  Okay.
[28:45.060 --> 28:46.580]  So that's super well explained.
[28:46.580 --> 28:47.780]  Glucose and ketosis.
[28:47.780 --> 28:52.260]  You've already said that the state of ketosis, we would be in that state pretty much our entire
[28:52.260 --> 28:52.660]  lives.
[28:52.660 --> 28:58.580]  If we ever exited that state into a state of glucose, it would have been exceedingly rare.
[28:58.580 --> 29:04.980]  You would have to find a high amount of carbohydrate-rich food, which doesn't just
[29:04.980 --> 29:06.020]  pop up everywhere.
[29:06.020 --> 29:08.420]  Even if you get some fruit, fruit has changed.
[29:08.420 --> 29:09.220]  It's very different.
[29:09.220 --> 29:12.900]  The grains we use are very different than what you would have found in the past.
[29:12.900 --> 29:14.660]  You think about things like nuts and seeds.
[29:14.660 --> 29:15.780]  They were all protected.
[29:15.780 --> 29:20.100]  You couldn't eat whole bags of shelled almonds that you can get at the store now.
[29:20.100 --> 29:23.620]  It's just a completely different landscape that people don't understand.
[29:23.620 --> 29:29.700]  And so let's do talk a little bit about the lymphatic lipid system and the hepatic lipid
[29:29.700 --> 29:31.220]  system and how those two things are different.
[29:31.220 --> 29:34.980]  Which one is the normal natural state of delivering energy to the body?
[29:34.980 --> 29:36.580]  Which one is the emergency state?
[29:37.220 --> 29:37.460]  Okay.
[29:39.620 --> 29:42.020]  Let's start with the lipid system.
[29:43.460 --> 29:49.860]  And the reason for that is in ketosis, that's a huge part of the healthy functioning of
[29:49.860 --> 29:50.980]  the body.
[29:50.980 --> 29:56.900]  And so what happens when we eat dietary fat?
[29:57.540 --> 29:59.620]  Dietary fat does not digest.
[30:01.060 --> 30:02.020]  It emulsifies.
[30:02.740 --> 30:09.540]  And so it gets into our bowels and it gets emulsified, but it can't transit the intestinal
[30:09.540 --> 30:10.660]  wall and go into our body.
[30:12.900 --> 30:17.700]  It has to be packaged unlike carbohydrate-rich protein.
[30:17.780 --> 30:20.180]  It has to be packaged in these things called collimicrons.
[30:20.980 --> 30:27.060]  Only when it's packaged in these collimicrons, which are incredibly similar to LDL as far
[30:27.060 --> 30:28.020]  as their structure.
[30:30.020 --> 30:32.340]  The analogy I use is they're a delivery truck.
[30:32.340 --> 30:34.100]  I use the analogy in body science.
[30:34.100 --> 30:37.700]  A delivery truck that delivers its content throughout the body.
[30:38.820 --> 30:43.700]  And the primary difference between LDL and collimicrons is collimicrons
[30:44.420 --> 30:51.940]  used for structure APO-B48 and LDL uses APO-B100.
[30:51.940 --> 30:55.860]  That's pretty much the only difference as far as structure is concerned.
[30:55.860 --> 30:58.580]  So the emulsified fat goes into these collimicrons.
[30:58.580 --> 31:00.740]  They can then transit the intestinal wall.
[31:01.380 --> 31:02.500]  Here's the difference.
[31:02.500 --> 31:05.300]  This is why I call it the lymphatic lipid system.
[31:06.100 --> 31:16.180]  Those fats contained within those collimicrons, they are carried by the lymph fluid through
[31:16.180 --> 31:17.460]  the lymphatic system.
[31:18.260 --> 31:24.100]  They come up, they curve here, and then they come down and they're dumped into,
[31:24.100 --> 31:27.940]  through the thoracic duct, they're dumped into our bloodstream.
[31:29.060 --> 31:33.060]  And then they go all through our body.
[31:34.020 --> 31:41.780]  And again, the delivery truck perspective, they have to offload these fatty acids,
[31:41.780 --> 31:47.300]  which fatty acids, triglycerides, same name, two different names for the same substance.
[31:48.100 --> 31:50.980]  So they're carrying these fatty acids or triglycerides.
[31:50.980 --> 31:53.860]  And here's one of the things that I think is so cool about the body.
[31:53.860 --> 31:58.900]  The collimicrons come along and here's an HDL particle, here's a collimicron particle.
[31:58.900 --> 32:07.460]  And as they cross, the HDL particle gives its APOC2 to the collimicron,
[32:07.460 --> 32:09.220]  which was what they call a naive collimicron.
[32:09.860 --> 32:16.820]  And once it receives that APOC2, it unlocks the cargo doors.
[32:17.700 --> 32:24.580]  Until then, it cannot dislodge its triglycerides, it cannot offload them to the cells.
[32:24.580 --> 32:28.580]  So it meets an HDL, it transfers the APOC2.
[32:28.580 --> 32:32.340]  Then the collimicron goes throughout the body, hooking up with cells.
[32:32.340 --> 32:34.100]  Oh, there's your loading dock, hook up.
[32:34.100 --> 32:36.020]  Here's some triglycerides, move on.
[32:36.020 --> 32:37.140]  Here's some triglycerides.
[32:38.020 --> 32:44.180]  And then at the end, after the triglycerides are gone, it passes another HDL
[32:44.180 --> 32:47.620]  and it gives the APOC2 back to the HDL.
[32:47.620 --> 32:50.420]  It locks the doors, the cargo doors.
[32:51.060 --> 32:55.140]  And only when those cargo doors are locked, it doesn't possess the APOC2.
[32:55.140 --> 33:03.940]  Can it go back to the liver and be broken down and synthesized into something else?
[33:05.780 --> 33:10.100]  So that, I think, is a pretty fascinating tale.
[33:10.100 --> 33:13.060]  And people who are eating carnivore, as an example,
[33:14.500 --> 33:18.340]  they're getting probably 99% of their calories from proteins and fats.
[33:19.060 --> 33:24.660]  So just for the sake of this illustration, we say 50-50, 50% fat, 50% protein.
[33:24.660 --> 33:32.020]  Then 50% of their total nutritional intake energizes the cells
[33:32.020 --> 33:33.700]  by the process we just talked about.
[33:35.380 --> 33:36.340]  It's so elegant.
[33:37.540 --> 33:38.100]  It is.
[33:38.820 --> 33:39.940]  It's just amazing.
[33:40.660 --> 33:44.100]  Yeah, you list the pros and cons of how each one of these systems work.
[33:44.100 --> 33:46.340]  And this one, it just delivers energy.
[33:46.340 --> 33:47.620]  It's in a clean way.
[33:47.620 --> 33:49.300]  Everything gets recycled afterwards.
[33:49.300 --> 33:50.180]  Your cells are happy.
[33:50.180 --> 33:51.300]  They burn fat for fuel.
[33:51.300 --> 33:53.380]  It's just, it makes so much sense.
[33:53.380 --> 33:54.980]  So this is the preferred way.
[33:54.980 --> 33:57.780]  Now, let's talk about the hepatic lipid system
[33:57.780 --> 34:00.660]  and how that differs from this system when we eat things
[34:00.660 --> 34:02.900]  like the grains and sugars that you mentioned earlier.
[34:02.900 --> 34:05.700]  Okay, so for your audience who may not know,
[34:05.700 --> 34:09.540]  hepatic just means bearing upon or dealing with the liver.
[34:09.540 --> 34:16.500]  So you could call it the liver lipid system if you wanted,
[34:16.500 --> 34:19.220]  but I think more properly the hepatic lipid system.
[34:19.300 --> 34:22.020]  So the interesting thing is that both of these
[34:22.020 --> 34:27.300]  send triglycerides out in a structure, in a lipoprotein.
[34:29.060 --> 34:32.100]  When it's the lymphatic lipid system, it's the chlamycaron.
[34:32.100 --> 34:36.660]  When it's the hepatic lipid system, it starts out as VLDLs,
[34:36.660 --> 34:38.580]  then goes to IDLs, and then goes to LDL,
[34:39.460 --> 34:42.420]  which I said are very, very similar in their structure.
[34:42.420 --> 34:46.100]  They are all cargo vessels distributing various things,
[34:46.100 --> 34:50.580]  cholesterol, vitamins, fat-soluble vitamins, and so forth.
[34:52.580 --> 34:54.100]  But here's what happens.
[34:54.100 --> 34:59.620]  We eat things that are carbohydrates.
[35:00.580 --> 35:02.420]  We don't need to qualify what kind of carbohydrates.
[35:02.420 --> 35:04.100]  By the way, for your audience who may not know,
[35:04.660 --> 35:07.140]  every single carbohydrate, whether it's a piece of pasta,
[35:07.140 --> 35:10.740]  whether it's grain, a piece of bread,
[35:10.740 --> 35:12.420]  or whether it's some broccoli,
[35:13.140 --> 35:16.900]  100% of anything that is a carbohydrate
[35:17.700 --> 35:19.540]  breaks down to something called a monosaccharide,
[35:19.540 --> 35:21.540]  which is the basic level of sugar.
[35:21.540 --> 35:24.820]  When it can't be glycated any further, it becomes a monosaccharide.
[35:25.780 --> 35:31.220]  Only monosaccharides can transit the intestinal wall.
[35:31.220 --> 35:32.900]  So no matter what a person eats, like,
[35:32.900 --> 35:34.580]  oh, I'm going to eat this piece of bread,
[35:34.580 --> 35:36.340]  or I'm going to eat this baked potato,
[35:36.340 --> 35:38.020]  or I'm going to have this piece of candy.
[35:38.660 --> 35:40.900]  Whatever they stick in their mouth, it's a carbohydrate.
[35:41.620 --> 35:43.700]  It goes down into the intestines,
[35:44.500 --> 35:50.020]  and the part that transits the intestinal wall is sugar.
[35:51.380 --> 35:52.500]  It's a monosaccharide.
[35:55.380 --> 35:56.420]  And here's an interesting thing.
[35:56.420 --> 35:58.500]  When it's in the intestines, it's a monosaccharide.
[35:58.500 --> 36:00.420]  The minute it transits the intestinal wall,
[36:01.140 --> 36:04.180]  now science calls it glucose, blood glucose.
[36:04.820 --> 36:05.300]  Same thing.
[36:06.180 --> 36:07.380]  So here's an interesting thing.
[36:07.380 --> 36:10.260]  We talked about the fact that the color microns
[36:10.260 --> 36:11.780]  flow into the lymphatic system.
[36:11.780 --> 36:18.340]  Well, the monosaccharides don't do that.
[36:19.540 --> 36:21.060]  They go through the portal vein,
[36:21.060 --> 36:23.780]  directly from the intestines, right into the liver.
[36:28.740 --> 36:31.060]  Obviously, I think all of your listeners would know
[36:31.060 --> 36:32.580]  if you eat a high carbohydrate meal,
[36:32.580 --> 36:35.060]  it's going to raise your blood glucose level.
[36:36.100 --> 36:38.340]  I'm sure you've covered that a million times
[36:38.340 --> 36:40.500]  talking on various aspects of physiology.
[36:43.220 --> 36:45.140]  I don't know if your audience understands
[36:45.140 --> 36:49.300]  that high levels of blood glucose in and of itself is toxic.
[36:50.740 --> 36:56.100]  And then the body's response in order to ratchet the glucose
[36:56.100 --> 36:57.940]  back down to something akin to baseline
[36:58.900 --> 37:00.900]  is for the pancreas to pump out insulin.
[37:02.740 --> 37:03.780]  Insulin is toxic.
[37:04.500 --> 37:07.940]  Now, in a glucose world, what I just said,
[37:07.940 --> 37:11.140]  if we were talking to some college professor
[37:11.140 --> 37:15.220]  who accepts the nonsense society-wide narrative,
[37:15.780 --> 37:18.900]  they would say, saying high glucose and high insulin
[37:18.900 --> 37:21.700]  are toxic is nonsense, but the studies show they are.
[37:23.060 --> 37:26.500]  But when you believe that glucose is the only way to exist,
[37:26.500 --> 37:28.100]  kind of hard to knock it, right?
[37:30.260 --> 37:31.620]  It's part of your whole paradigm.
[37:31.620 --> 37:32.900]  So how can it be wrong?
[37:32.900 --> 37:37.620]  So what happens is when the insulin goes up,
[37:39.060 --> 37:40.980]  now, I think most people understand
[37:40.980 --> 37:44.740]  that when insulin increases, blood glucose goes down.
[37:44.740 --> 37:47.860]  That's the purpose of insulin in regard to blood sugar.
[37:48.500 --> 37:50.420]  Insulin goes up, the blood sugar comes down.
[37:51.540 --> 37:53.460]  I think that's as far as people understand.
[37:53.460 --> 37:56.980]  If you ask them, how does the blood sugar go down,
[37:57.780 --> 37:59.300]  they don't know the mechanism.
[37:59.860 --> 38:01.860]  Well, the mechanism is the insulin
[38:01.860 --> 38:05.860]  signals the liver to gather up this glucose
[38:05.860 --> 38:09.220]  as the blood is flowing through the liver,
[38:09.220 --> 38:10.260]  which is a blood organ,
[38:11.300 --> 38:15.220]  and then the liver extracts the excess glucose,
[38:15.220 --> 38:18.900]  again, trying to force that down back to baseline, okay?
[38:20.420 --> 38:22.980]  And it converts the glucose to triglycerides.
[38:24.020 --> 38:27.620]  Now, remember, over on the lymphatic lipid system,
[38:27.620 --> 38:29.780]  triglycerides are good, right?
[38:29.780 --> 38:30.820]  We want them.
[38:30.820 --> 38:32.500]  But this isn't the same kind of thing.
[38:33.460 --> 38:36.580]  This is a conversion as an emergency mechanism
[38:37.220 --> 38:39.940]  to get the toxic glucose out of the blood.
[38:41.300 --> 38:48.340]  So then it packages up these synthesized triglycerides.
[38:48.340 --> 38:49.140]  They're not natural.
[38:49.140 --> 38:50.660]  They are synthesized.
[38:50.660 --> 38:52.660]  I guess they're natural in the sense that the liver does it,
[38:52.660 --> 38:53.940]  but the liver doesn't want to do it.
[38:53.940 --> 38:55.060]  The liver has to do it.
[38:55.300 --> 38:55.800]  Okay.
[38:56.500 --> 38:58.500]  Packages them up in VLDLs
[38:59.860 --> 39:01.460]  and spits them out into the bloodstream.
[39:01.460 --> 39:07.140]  Now, the cells already have triglycerides
[39:08.100 --> 39:11.060]  from what the lymphatic lipid system does, right?
[39:12.180 --> 39:13.300]  This is not an either or.
[39:13.300 --> 39:15.940]  The lymphatic lipid system is always operating, okay?
[39:16.500 --> 39:20.980]  So the triglycerides are already in the cells, okay?
[39:21.860 --> 39:25.940]  And then along comes these VLDLs or IDLs
[39:26.740 --> 39:30.100]  that have this synthesized triglycerides.
[39:30.980 --> 39:34.340]  And they say, hey, man, open up.
[39:34.340 --> 39:35.780]  We got some triglycerides.
[39:36.500 --> 39:39.860]  And the cells are like, dude, we are triglyceride out.
[39:41.860 --> 39:42.900]  We can't make any...
[39:43.540 --> 39:45.060]  First, you bombed us with glucose,
[39:45.060 --> 39:47.460]  so we had to take some glucose in and oxidize,
[39:47.460 --> 39:49.060]  burn that shit off, right?
[39:49.060 --> 39:52.340]  Now you're coming back with these synthesized triglycerides
[39:52.340 --> 39:54.420]  trying to shove triglycerides into us.
[39:55.780 --> 39:56.420]  We're packed.
[39:56.420 --> 39:57.300]  We can't take any.
[39:58.100 --> 39:58.900]  Now, here's the thing.
[40:03.380 --> 40:07.380]  These lipid proteins, they get smaller
[40:07.380 --> 40:09.700]  as they offload their cargo, okay?
[40:09.700 --> 40:10.980]  Some of them are carrying things.
[40:11.780 --> 40:14.020]  Some carry cholesterol and other things.
[40:14.020 --> 40:17.140]  So as they get smaller, smaller, smaller.
[40:17.140 --> 40:19.860]  But what's still in there is the triglycerides
[40:20.580 --> 40:23.140]  because the cells don't want any, okay?
[40:23.140 --> 40:25.140]  Now, or the cells are full,
[40:25.140 --> 40:26.740]  is maybe a better way to put that.
[40:28.020 --> 40:33.220]  And so the LDL cannot return to the liver
[40:34.980 --> 40:38.500]  until those triglycerides are offloaded, okay?
[40:39.460 --> 40:43.780]  So what it does, it's got to put the triglycerides somewhere
[40:44.340 --> 40:47.540]  that puts it into the adipose tissue.
[40:47.540 --> 40:52.340]  This is most commonly understood to be like the belly fat
[40:52.340 --> 40:53.700]  and the love handles.
[40:54.660 --> 40:57.300]  There's more adipose fatty cells in the body,
[40:57.300 --> 40:58.820]  but the ones most people understand
[40:58.820 --> 41:00.020]  when they hear adipose tissue,
[41:00.820 --> 41:02.340]  when you see the guy at the grocery store
[41:02.340 --> 41:04.100]  with the gut that's hanging out over his belt,
[41:04.100 --> 41:05.540]  that's adipose tissue, okay?
[41:06.180 --> 41:12.420]  And by the time we are, estimates vary,
[41:12.420 --> 41:15.060]  but we'll say approaching puberty.
[41:16.100 --> 41:17.860]  Our body has created all the fat cells
[41:17.860 --> 41:18.660]  it's ever going to have.
[41:19.540 --> 41:21.460]  It doesn't create more fat cells.
[41:21.460 --> 41:24.260]  So what happens is these LDLs come along and say,
[41:24.260 --> 41:26.820]  we have to offload these triglycerides
[41:26.820 --> 41:28.340]  or we can't go back to the liver
[41:28.980 --> 41:32.100]  and be uptaken into the liver and broken down.
[41:32.900 --> 41:34.180]  We have to do something.
[41:34.180 --> 41:37.140]  Well, the body's emergency mechanism is here.
[41:37.140 --> 41:39.220]  Shove it into the adipose cells, okay?
[41:40.260 --> 41:41.700]  And that's exactly what happens.
[41:41.700 --> 41:46.740]  Now, the thing is in the Western diet, right?
[41:47.460 --> 41:49.940]  All day long, high glucose, high insulin,
[41:49.940 --> 41:51.300]  high glucose, high insulin,
[41:51.300 --> 41:52.900]  high glucose, high insulin, right?
[41:54.020 --> 41:56.180]  Insulin tells the adipose tissue,
[41:56.820 --> 41:59.380]  do not release triglycerides.
[42:00.900 --> 42:04.020]  So you've got the LDLs offloading their triglycerides
[42:04.020 --> 42:05.220]  into the adipose cells
[42:05.220 --> 42:08.260]  and then the constant repetition of high insulin
[42:08.260 --> 42:10.340]  is telling them, lock that shit up.
[42:10.340 --> 42:12.580]  Do not release it, okay?
[42:12.580 --> 42:14.020]  So what happens after 20 years?
[42:16.180 --> 42:17.220]  Obesity, right?
[42:19.220 --> 42:27.140]  So the problem is we talk about LDL in the bloodstream.
[42:27.140 --> 42:29.220]  You know, that's a big thing with doctors, right?
[42:29.860 --> 42:30.820]  They call it the cholesterol,
[42:30.820 --> 42:32.340]  but it's not really the cholesterol, right?
[42:33.060 --> 42:34.740]  How much cholesterol is in your blood
[42:34.740 --> 42:38.500]  is an equation by which they estimate.
[42:38.580 --> 42:40.180]  And that's based on how many LDL
[42:40.180 --> 42:41.620]  are still floating around your blood, right?
[42:42.180 --> 42:44.020]  And the reason there are so many LDLs
[42:44.020 --> 42:45.780]  floating around the blood is two reasons.
[42:45.780 --> 42:47.780]  First of all, all those VLDLs
[42:47.780 --> 42:50.100]  that were spit out with converted triglycerides
[42:50.100 --> 42:52.260]  don't belong there in the human body, okay?
[42:52.260 --> 42:53.620]  So it's flooded with things
[42:53.620 --> 42:55.300]  that don't belong there in the first place.
[42:55.300 --> 42:57.780]  And secondly, by the time they decrease in density
[42:57.780 --> 43:00.020]  to the point where they're the small LDL particles,
[43:01.060 --> 43:03.220]  they still need to go through these extra steps
[43:03.220 --> 43:04.340]  to find adipose cells
[43:04.340 --> 43:06.820]  and force the triglycerides out of themselves
[43:06.820 --> 43:09.700]  before they can return to the liver and be uptaken, okay?
[43:10.260 --> 43:14.340]  So when somebody says, oh, you have high LDL,
[43:15.060 --> 43:18.180]  yeah, that's because they just keep floating around
[43:18.820 --> 43:21.060]  trying to find a way to get back to the liver
[43:21.060 --> 43:23.220]  to be uptaken and broken down
[43:23.220 --> 43:26.820]  and synthesized and other things are excreted as waste.
[43:29.140 --> 43:30.660]  I don't know if I explained that clearly.
[43:30.660 --> 43:31.620]  I know I rambled a bit.
[43:31.620 --> 43:33.940]  Yes, no, it's perfect.
[43:33.940 --> 43:39.060]  Yeah, so one, the lymphatic lipid system
[43:39.060 --> 43:40.020]  is completely healthy.
[43:40.820 --> 43:42.980]  That's the way man has existed for millions of years.
[43:43.780 --> 43:49.060]  The hepatic lipid system has always been
[43:49.060 --> 43:52.340]  an emergency glucose clearance system.
[43:54.020 --> 43:57.380]  It's meant to be, you say, ancient man, say 50,000 years ago.
[43:58.820 --> 44:03.140]  Perhaps the hepatic lipid system would kick in
[44:03.220 --> 44:06.260]  a couple times a year for a couple hours at a time.
[44:08.340 --> 44:12.900]  Modern Americans rely on that emergency clearance method,
[44:12.900 --> 44:19.780]  the hepatic lipid system, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year,
[44:19.780 --> 44:23.540]  and eventually they wear the body's capacity
[44:23.540 --> 44:26.420]  out to cope effectively and voila,
[44:26.420 --> 44:28.500]  you have type two diabetes, you have heart disease,
[44:28.500 --> 44:31.620]  you have hypertension, you just, yeah, on and on.
[44:32.260 --> 44:35.540]  Yeah, okay, so that part really stuck out to me
[44:35.540 --> 44:36.740]  this time reading the book.
[44:36.740 --> 44:39.460]  Like, yes, this is an emergency system.
[44:40.020 --> 44:43.700]  I don't give it enough credit for how well it works
[44:43.700 --> 44:44.660]  in that situation.
[44:45.220 --> 44:47.380]  You describe everything when it happens once,
[44:47.380 --> 44:49.460]  you're like, holy smokes, that's not great.
[44:49.460 --> 44:51.060]  I don't want that to happen ever.
[44:51.060 --> 44:54.660]  But then to think that it is working for so many people
[44:54.660 --> 44:57.620]  for so long, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years,
[44:57.700 --> 45:00.180]  it can still stay alive.
[45:00.180 --> 45:04.500]  It's so amazing how even that emergency system
[45:04.500 --> 45:06.500]  is working so hard to keep somebody alive
[45:06.500 --> 45:09.380]  and doesn't break down so much faster than that.
[45:09.380 --> 45:10.180]  It blows my mind.
[45:10.180 --> 45:11.060]  Yeah, yeah.
[45:11.060 --> 45:14.180]  Now, you know that there's this thing,
[45:14.180 --> 45:16.740]  we've seen it all over the media over the last,
[45:16.740 --> 45:17.940]  I don't know, handful of years.
[45:18.980 --> 45:21.860]  This and such disease is hitting people at younger ages
[45:21.860 --> 45:23.300]  and scientists don't know why.
[45:24.020 --> 45:25.540]  I'm so sick of the scientists don't know why
[45:25.540 --> 45:26.740]  because it's all bullshit.
[45:26.740 --> 45:27.620]  They do know why.
[45:29.060 --> 45:30.260]  But it goes back to this thing,
[45:30.260 --> 45:33.060]  it would disrupt the revenue so they don't tell you why.
[45:35.220 --> 45:41.780]  What's really happening is younger generations
[45:42.820 --> 45:46.580]  are eating progressively more and more carbohydrates
[45:46.580 --> 45:48.580]  and more and more processed foods
[45:49.460 --> 45:52.420]  and more and more high glycemic carbs,
[45:52.420 --> 45:54.580]  carbs with higher glycemic loads.
[45:55.540 --> 45:57.380]  And they're doing it at an earlier age.
[45:59.060 --> 46:03.300]  When I was eight, I ate what my parents fed me.
[46:05.060 --> 46:06.100]  Kids that are eight today,
[46:06.660 --> 46:08.660]  they got their own money, they got their own phone.
[46:09.860 --> 46:11.860]  They want to go to the store and buy a pack of,
[46:12.740 --> 46:16.020]  I don't know, candy or donuts or whatever
[46:16.020 --> 46:16.980]  and woof it down.
[46:17.780 --> 46:19.060]  It's a different world.
[46:19.060 --> 46:21.780]  And so what's happening is this cycle
[46:21.780 --> 46:23.780]  that eventually leads to breakdown and disease,
[46:24.580 --> 46:26.820]  that cycle is beginning earlier.
[46:28.020 --> 46:32.500]  And one of the things that they found in Africa,
[46:32.500 --> 46:34.100]  they being various researchers,
[46:34.820 --> 46:39.780]  that when the Brits came into certain parts of Africa
[46:41.060 --> 46:48.740]  and certain tribes were more urban by those standards,
[46:48.740 --> 46:50.660]  we're talking about 150, 200 years ago,
[46:50.660 --> 46:52.980]  were more urban and then there was the far rural
[46:54.420 --> 46:58.740]  the tribes that adopted Western eating style,
[46:58.740 --> 46:59.860]  which those days would have been called
[46:59.860 --> 47:00.900]  British eating styles.
[47:01.940 --> 47:06.020]  The more urban population that adopted that eating style,
[47:06.020 --> 47:08.900]  it was about 20 to 25 years
[47:08.900 --> 47:11.620]  before they started manifesting chronic disease.
[47:13.540 --> 47:16.340]  And the tribes that were rural
[47:16.340 --> 47:18.580]  and didn't partake in the British style of eating,
[47:18.580 --> 47:20.660]  they didn't develop chronic diseases.
[47:20.660 --> 47:21.860]  So it was all about the diet.
[47:22.500 --> 47:24.260]  But there's the point being there seems to be
[47:27.620 --> 47:33.300]  a back end limit on how long the body can keep it up.
[47:34.100 --> 47:36.580]  And it appears to be about 20 or 25 years.
[47:36.580 --> 47:38.180]  So somebody like me,
[47:38.180 --> 47:40.820]  I probably didn't start eating the way I wanted to
[47:41.380 --> 47:43.380]  until maybe I got home from the military
[47:43.380 --> 47:44.900]  and was making some good money
[47:44.900 --> 47:45.940]  and going out and partying
[47:45.940 --> 47:47.380]  and eating whatever shit I wanted
[47:47.380 --> 47:48.900]  because it made me feel good at the time.
[47:48.900 --> 47:52.260]  So my clock started ticking about then.
[47:53.700 --> 47:55.060]  But if I'm right,
[47:55.060 --> 47:57.860]  the kids today are more autonomous
[47:57.860 --> 47:59.860]  from their parents than kids of my generation.
[48:00.900 --> 48:02.420]  If I'm right about that,
[48:02.420 --> 48:04.740]  then their clock is starting
[48:04.740 --> 48:08.180]  maybe 15 years earlier than mine.
[48:08.180 --> 48:09.140]  That would mean they're hitting
[48:09.140 --> 48:12.740]  that 20 or 25 year back end limit sooner.
[48:13.860 --> 48:16.420]  And hence they're winding up with these diseases
[48:16.420 --> 48:17.780]  and then science is saying,
[48:17.780 --> 48:18.660]  we don't know why.
[48:19.860 --> 48:20.500]  We don't know.
[48:20.500 --> 48:21.140]  We have no idea.
[48:21.940 --> 48:22.440]  Yeah.
[48:25.780 --> 48:27.780]  You and I spoke briefly the other day,
[48:29.300 --> 48:31.140]  but this goes back to we don't know why.
[48:31.780 --> 48:37.220]  And your comment was the increase in type 1 diabetes,
[48:40.420 --> 48:42.500]  which is not driven by diet.
[48:42.500 --> 48:45.300]  It's driven by genetics, at least partially.
[48:48.500 --> 48:50.980]  And again, those headlines say,
[48:52.500 --> 48:54.900]  and science doesn't know why,
[48:56.100 --> 48:57.380]  and that's a lie too.
[48:57.380 --> 49:00.420]  They know exactly why type 1 diabetes is increasing.
[49:00.420 --> 49:02.020]  And that has nothing to do with what you're eating.
[49:03.140 --> 49:04.660]  We talked about this ever so briefly.
[49:06.820 --> 49:10.820]  Prior to 1921 when synthetic insulin was made,
[49:12.180 --> 49:15.060]  a person who was type 1 diabetic died, period.
[49:15.860 --> 49:16.580]  No question.
[49:16.580 --> 49:19.860]  100% of the people with type 1 diabetes died,
[49:19.860 --> 49:21.620]  at least that we know of in Western society.
[49:22.660 --> 49:25.700]  There's no reason to believe anybody survived type 1 diabetes.
[49:30.020 --> 49:33.860]  So what happened was whatever causes
[49:33.860 --> 49:36.420]  the genetic predisposition to type 1 diabetes,
[49:37.940 --> 49:43.380]  unless the person had later onset of type 1,
[49:43.940 --> 49:45.700]  so they were able to have some kids first.
[49:46.340 --> 49:49.140]  Short of that, and most of type 1 onsets
[49:49.140 --> 49:50.980]  when you're a child, prepubescent.
[49:52.260 --> 49:55.060]  So what was happening was people who had
[49:55.060 --> 49:57.860]  whatever the genetic predisposition is to type 1,
[49:58.420 --> 50:00.900]  they'd manifest the type 1, they'd die.
[50:02.740 --> 50:07.380]  So that genetic lineage didn't carry on through society.
[50:08.420 --> 50:11.380]  So okay, here's a genetic problem.
[50:11.380 --> 50:12.420]  Well, you're gone.
[50:12.420 --> 50:14.020]  Genetic problem, you're gone.
[50:14.820 --> 50:16.340]  That lineage didn't grow.
[50:17.140 --> 50:20.900]  So as of 1921 with the synthetic insulin,
[50:23.140 --> 50:27.300]  humans with type 1 diabetes started living full lives.
[50:28.180 --> 50:32.660]  And all of them that wanted to get married and have kids did,
[50:34.180 --> 50:36.100]  and still are, right?
[50:36.100 --> 50:38.900]  And in some many cases, they're passing
[50:38.900 --> 50:41.460]  that genetic predisposition on to their children.
[50:42.020 --> 50:44.260]  So of course, if we look at any population,
[50:44.260 --> 50:46.180]  we start mating, you see the pyramid,
[50:47.140 --> 50:48.900]  here's the patient X, so to speak,
[50:48.900 --> 50:51.140]  and then here we go, right?
[50:51.140 --> 50:56.180]  So it's very clear because they used to die,
[50:56.180 --> 50:57.540]  so the lineage stopped.
[50:57.540 --> 51:00.660]  Now they live, the lineage grows exponentially
[51:00.660 --> 51:02.180]  as far as how many human beings
[51:02.180 --> 51:03.940]  have those genetic predispositions.
[51:03.940 --> 51:05.540]  It's not a mystery.
[51:05.540 --> 51:07.620]  But you will literally see headlines,
[51:07.620 --> 51:10.180]  I'm motioning to my computer like you can see it.
[51:11.060 --> 51:14.180]  They literally see headlines that say,
[51:14.180 --> 51:15.780]  and science doesn't understand why.
[51:16.820 --> 51:18.500]  They don't understand why people have diabetes.
[51:18.500 --> 51:20.100]  They don't understand why people are getting
[51:20.820 --> 51:22.660]  various chronic diseases in an earlier age.
[51:22.660 --> 51:24.260]  They don't understand why Alzheimer's
[51:24.260 --> 51:26.180]  is striking people at an earlier age and on and on.
[51:26.180 --> 51:27.540]  They don't understand.
[51:27.540 --> 51:29.300]  And that's all bullshit.
[51:30.100 --> 51:30.980]  Yeah, yeah.
[51:30.980 --> 51:31.620]  Well, okay.
[51:31.620 --> 51:34.420]  Well, I just started listening to Gary Taub's new book,
[51:34.420 --> 51:35.700]  Rethinking Diabetes.
[51:35.700 --> 51:36.980]  He deep dives into a lot of this.
[51:36.980 --> 51:39.940]  I told you offline, the numbers to me were staggering.
[51:39.940 --> 51:40.900]  They were way more than I thought.
[51:40.900 --> 51:46.100]  That since 2001, cases of type 1 diabetes
[51:46.100 --> 51:47.380]  have risen by 50%.
[51:47.380 --> 51:49.300]  That's a huge number in my opinion.
[51:49.300 --> 51:52.340]  And what you're explaining explains that perfectly, right?
[51:52.340 --> 51:55.380]  Like we're allowing this lineage to continue
[51:55.380 --> 51:57.300]  and so more and more people are gonna get it.
[51:57.300 --> 51:59.700]  And it was interesting going back to those times
[51:59.700 --> 52:02.020]  as he's describing like they knew
[52:02.020 --> 52:03.220]  that diet was a component
[52:03.220 --> 52:06.180]  and they were trying to get people to eat more protein
[52:06.180 --> 52:06.660]  and more fat.
[52:06.660 --> 52:09.060]  But then when we developed insulin,
[52:10.100 --> 52:12.020]  all of a sudden people wanted the insulin
[52:12.020 --> 52:13.060]  and they wanted that treatments
[52:13.060 --> 52:16.180]  and doctors didn't have to mess with the kerfuffle
[52:16.180 --> 52:17.860]  of trying to change people's diets.
[52:17.860 --> 52:20.020]  It was just so much easier to give them the insulin
[52:20.020 --> 52:22.100]  and let them eat whatever they wanted.
[52:22.100 --> 52:24.740]  And so we kind of lost that knowledge
[52:24.740 --> 52:26.260]  and that information.
[52:26.260 --> 52:29.460]  And you wrote an entire chapter on type 1 diabetes,
[52:29.460 --> 52:30.500]  which is fascinating.
[52:30.500 --> 52:31.860]  It's towards the very end.
[52:32.500 --> 52:33.620]  Is it a bonus chapter?
[52:33.620 --> 52:35.380]  Is that how we should say it?
[52:35.380 --> 52:35.700]  It is.
[52:36.900 --> 52:38.420]  Because it's a hypothesis,
[52:38.420 --> 52:40.900]  I didn't even number it as a chapter
[52:40.900 --> 52:43.220]  because I wanted all the numbered chapters to be factual.
[52:44.420 --> 52:48.820]  And the insulin intolerance hypothesis isn't fact.
[52:50.100 --> 52:51.540]  It's my hypothesis.
[52:51.540 --> 52:53.300]  Do you want me to explain to the audience what it is?
[52:55.140 --> 52:56.820]  Yes, absolutely.
[52:56.820 --> 52:58.580]  And you gave a great analogy
[52:58.580 --> 52:59.940]  of being in a room with a killer
[52:59.940 --> 53:01.380]  that I thought explained it really well.
[53:01.380 --> 53:02.900]  So maybe we could tie that in as well.
[53:02.900 --> 53:03.700]  Sure, okay.
[53:03.700 --> 53:07.780]  So the basic premise of the insulin intolerance hypothesis
[53:08.500 --> 53:11.780]  is that what brings on type 1,
[53:11.780 --> 53:13.540]  and by the way, that's what
[53:13.540 --> 53:16.420]  the insulin intolerance hypothesis deals with,
[53:16.420 --> 53:20.100]  is how to avoid the onset of type 1 diabetes, right?
[53:20.100 --> 53:22.420]  Because it's considered that we don't know
[53:23.300 --> 53:24.580]  how to stop the onset.
[53:25.380 --> 53:27.060]  If you have the predisposition,
[53:28.340 --> 53:31.300]  then you're probably going to get type 1, okay?
[53:31.300 --> 53:34.740]  So the question is, is there a way to stop that?
[53:34.740 --> 53:39.140]  And so my insulin intolerance hypothesis speaks to that.
[53:39.140 --> 53:40.500]  And basically it says this.
[53:41.060 --> 53:43.140]  We all know what an autoimmune disease is, yes?
[53:43.140 --> 53:47.140]  So the body sees something as harmful
[53:47.140 --> 53:50.020]  and it overreacts to simplify the process.
[53:50.020 --> 53:52.580]  And that overreaction by the body
[53:52.580 --> 53:56.660]  causes detrimental impacts on the person's physiology.
[53:56.660 --> 53:59.060]  And they have some sort of illness or disease
[53:59.060 --> 54:01.140]  or unwellness, okay?
[54:01.140 --> 54:02.660]  So that's autoimmune.
[54:02.660 --> 54:06.340]  So many people have speculated
[54:06.340 --> 54:08.820]  that type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune response,
[54:09.380 --> 54:12.180]  but no one's addressed what exactly it is
[54:12.180 --> 54:13.940]  or talked about, well, you know, okay,
[54:13.940 --> 54:15.460]  so we're calling it autoimmune.
[54:16.020 --> 54:17.620]  What is that pathway?
[54:17.620 --> 54:19.140]  What's the mechanism of that?
[54:19.140 --> 54:22.260]  So my belief is this.
[54:25.460 --> 54:28.580]  Our bodies know instinctively.
[54:29.380 --> 54:32.740]  I talk about the body's native intelligence
[54:32.740 --> 54:34.900]  absent what's up here, okay?
[54:34.900 --> 54:36.660]  In body science, I talk about that a little bit.
[54:38.660 --> 54:39.700]  High insulin is bad.
[54:40.340 --> 54:41.460]  High glucose is bad.
[54:42.740 --> 54:45.380]  Now, because the body knows
[54:46.100 --> 54:48.420]  that high glucose and high insulin are toxic,
[54:49.940 --> 54:52.820]  imagine if there is a particular person
[54:52.820 --> 54:56.500]  whose genetics and the way,
[54:56.580 --> 54:59.380]  what triggers their genetic expression, okay,
[55:00.660 --> 55:06.740]  is that high insulin isn't just seen as an oh shit, okay?
[55:07.460 --> 55:09.700]  High insulin is seen as,
[55:09.700 --> 55:13.220]  oh my God, you're killing me, okay?
[55:14.020 --> 55:16.100]  Far more dramatic response
[55:16.100 --> 55:19.540]  than the other 99% of the people on the planet, right?
[55:20.500 --> 55:24.100]  That one person, their body freaks out
[55:24.100 --> 55:26.260]  and they have an autoimmune response,
[55:26.980 --> 55:28.980]  an autoimmune disease response.
[55:29.940 --> 55:35.620]  So what their body does is so hypersensitive to high insulin,
[55:35.620 --> 55:37.540]  it's so fearful of the high insulin
[55:38.500 --> 55:41.860]  that it goes and it attacks the cells
[55:41.860 --> 55:44.180]  in the pancreas that create insulin.
[55:44.180 --> 55:46.420]  That's its way of surviving.
[55:46.420 --> 55:48.660]  It perceives high insulin as such a threat
[55:49.460 --> 55:51.140]  that it says we know how to stop this
[55:51.140 --> 55:53.300]  and it goes after the cells in the pancreas
[55:53.300 --> 55:55.700]  to produce the insulin and kill them, okay?
[55:56.420 --> 55:58.660]  The person ends up, they can't produce any more insulin
[55:58.660 --> 56:01.220]  or very, very limited supply of insulin
[56:01.220 --> 56:03.380]  and prior to 1921, they die
[56:03.380 --> 56:06.100]  because blood glucose just continues to rise
[56:06.100 --> 56:10.020]  and there's no mechanism left in place to bring it down, okay?
[56:11.460 --> 56:14.820]  So the question is, if there is this crazy,
[56:14.820 --> 56:17.540]  over the top autoimmune response
[56:17.540 --> 56:22.420]  that kills the insulin producing cells in the pancreas
[56:23.220 --> 56:25.380]  and that is a disease of its own,
[56:27.380 --> 56:29.380]  is there a way, you've probably heard
[56:29.380 --> 56:31.060]  of epigenetics, the word, okay?
[56:32.020 --> 56:33.140]  I dislike using that word
[56:33.140 --> 56:34.820]  because people have read so much into it
[56:34.820 --> 56:37.780]  that doesn't belong within the confines of epigenetics.
[56:37.780 --> 56:41.300]  But for the limited purpose of this discussion,
[56:42.020 --> 56:43.140]  epigenetics would mean
[56:43.140 --> 56:48.100]  how we're triggering our genes to express various things
[56:48.100 --> 56:51.540]  that then have a cascade that lead to an outcome, okay?
[56:52.180 --> 56:57.380]  So if the body panics over insulin,
[56:59.860 --> 57:02.420]  how would we perhaps stop the body
[57:02.420 --> 57:05.220]  from ever having that panic attack, okay?
[57:06.180 --> 57:08.260]  And we're not talking about this kind of panic attack.
[57:08.340 --> 57:10.180]  And we're not talking about this kind of panic attack.
[57:12.340 --> 57:13.700]  A physiological panic attack.
[57:13.700 --> 57:15.940]  How do we stop the body from doing that?
[57:15.940 --> 57:18.500]  Well, one suggestion might be
[57:18.500 --> 57:22.980]  we don't allow it to increase insulin from baseline, okay?
[57:23.540 --> 57:26.180]  Now, insulin doesn't just bring blood glucose down.
[57:26.180 --> 57:27.300]  It does a couple of other things.
[57:27.300 --> 57:29.940]  So we can't eradicate insulin from the body
[57:30.660 --> 57:34.820]  but we can keep it at baseline, which in type ones,
[57:34.820 --> 57:37.700]  I've seen no evidence that insulin at baseline
[57:37.700 --> 57:39.620]  causes any adverse response, okay?
[57:40.660 --> 57:43.380]  It's the increase in insulin
[57:43.380 --> 57:45.860]  that seems to trigger the onset of type one,
[57:46.740 --> 57:49.380]  the repetitive increase in insulin.
[57:51.540 --> 57:55.380]  So my concept was this.
[57:55.380 --> 57:57.060]  In the analogy to what you're referring,
[57:57.060 --> 57:58.660]  I said, imagine you're locked in a room
[57:59.300 --> 58:01.220]  with a psychotic killer
[58:01.780 --> 58:07.460]  and this psychotic killer is covered in knives, in sheaths, okay?
[58:07.700 --> 58:09.540]  And you've got nothing, okay?
[58:09.540 --> 58:12.580]  He's got like 50 knives on his person and you got nothing.
[58:12.580 --> 58:15.220]  And he's a known psychotic killer, yeah?
[58:16.100 --> 58:18.900]  But you find out he's only triggered
[58:18.900 --> 58:20.500]  into becoming a psychotic killer
[58:21.860 --> 58:24.340]  when he hears loud music,
[58:25.140 --> 58:28.100]  which is analogous to high insulin, right?
[58:29.700 --> 58:31.300]  So there's a stereo in the room.
[58:32.740 --> 58:35.700]  And so what's that expression?
[58:35.700 --> 58:36.900]  Walk around and find out, right?
[58:37.300 --> 58:41.220]  So you go over and you turn the music on
[58:42.500 --> 58:45.380]  and our psychotic killers in the corner like this
[58:46.900 --> 58:48.500]  doesn't react, okay?
[58:51.220 --> 58:54.740]  Huh, turn up the volume on the music a little bit more.
[58:56.340 --> 58:57.140]  Doesn't react.
[59:00.020 --> 59:02.020]  Turn up the music a little bit more
[59:02.020 --> 59:03.460]  and the psychotic killer goes,
[59:03.460 --> 59:05.300]  I got my eye on you, right?
[59:05.300 --> 59:09.700]  So if you keep screwing around with the volume knob,
[59:10.500 --> 59:12.020]  increasing the volume,
[59:13.140 --> 59:16.260]  at some point you're going to trigger the psychosis.
[59:16.260 --> 59:18.100]  He's going to come out with these knives
[59:18.740 --> 59:19.700]  and he's going to kill you.
[59:19.700 --> 59:21.700]  And by the time you reach that moment,
[59:21.700 --> 59:23.460]  you can't undo that.
[59:23.460 --> 59:26.820]  You can't turn the volume back down and it's all good, okay?
[59:27.540 --> 59:30.340]  So that is analogous to the high insulin.
[59:30.340 --> 59:34.180]  So that is analogous to the high insulin, okay?
[59:34.180 --> 59:38.100]  By the time you keep doing this again and again and again
[59:38.100 --> 59:41.140]  with the insulin and the psychotic killer,
[59:41.140 --> 59:44.740]  which is the autoimmune response killing off the beta cells
[59:44.740 --> 59:46.820]  in the pancreas to produce the insulin,
[59:46.820 --> 59:50.100]  by the time that happens, you can't reverse it.
[59:50.100 --> 59:51.380]  You can't turn the volume down.
[59:51.380 --> 59:52.740]  You can't make it go away.
[59:52.740 --> 59:53.860]  You've screwed yourself.
[59:53.860 --> 59:56.500]  You're done because you kept turning the damn music up,
[59:56.500 --> 59:58.180]  which is analogous to high insulin.
[59:59.140 --> 01:00:01.060]  For these people who genetically,
[01:00:01.060 --> 01:00:03.540]  their bodies panic at high insulin.
[01:00:03.540 --> 01:00:04.820]  That's the hypothesis.
[01:00:05.620 --> 01:00:09.380]  Now, when we were offline chatting a bit ago,
[01:00:10.660 --> 01:00:12.900]  I mentioned that,
[01:00:15.700 --> 01:00:16.980]  presuming I am correct,
[01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:21.860]  the insulin intolerance hypothesis is factual,
[01:00:22.740 --> 01:00:25.540]  I will never live to see it
[01:00:26.500 --> 01:00:32.340]  because type 1 diabetes almost always onsets at an earlier age.
[01:00:32.340 --> 01:00:33.620]  Most of it's in childhood.
[01:00:33.620 --> 01:00:35.220]  It used to be called childhood diabetes
[01:00:35.220 --> 01:00:36.660]  before it was called type 1, okay?
[01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:42.580]  It's very rare for the onset to occur after 35 or 40, okay?
[01:00:42.580 --> 01:00:43.620]  Very rare.
[01:00:43.620 --> 01:00:45.300]  It's kind of like if you got there, it's like,
[01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:48.900]  oh, I'm genetically predisposed, but it didn't happen, okay?
[01:00:49.620 --> 01:00:52.420]  So for this to happen,
[01:00:52.420 --> 01:00:58.260]  we'd need to select a lot, first of all, families
[01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:00.820]  that had a predisposition to type 1 genetically,
[01:01:02.020 --> 01:01:03.540]  and then they would have to agree
[01:01:03.540 --> 01:01:07.220]  to keep their children in ketosis forever,
[01:01:07.940 --> 01:01:09.300]  forever being measured, of course,
[01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:12.580]  by the time the child develops a will and a mind of its own,
[01:01:12.580 --> 01:01:14.740]  and then it would have to take over that responsibility
[01:01:14.740 --> 01:01:16.820]  for remaining in ketosis, okay?
[01:01:16.820 --> 01:01:17.380]  So I don't know.
[01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:18.980]  I'm going to throw out some arbitrary numbers.
[01:01:19.060 --> 01:01:24.020]  If that study kicked off with 10,000 participants,
[01:01:25.940 --> 01:01:28.580]  by the time they all reached 35 or 40,
[01:01:29.140 --> 01:01:31.300]  you'd probably be left with several hundred
[01:01:31.300 --> 01:01:33.140]  that actually towed the line
[01:01:33.140 --> 01:01:37.300]  in stating ketosis every single day for all those years.
[01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:39.140]  But here's the thing.
[01:01:40.740 --> 01:01:47.860]  That's that ever-shrinking cohort at the 35 or 40 year mark,
[01:01:48.660 --> 01:01:52.900]  if none of those, those who had stuck in ketosis
[01:01:52.900 --> 01:01:55.940]  their whole life, if none of them had developed type 1,
[01:01:56.740 --> 01:02:03.700]  I think that would be a very strong indicator
[01:02:04.820 --> 01:02:07.700]  that the insulin intolerance hypothesis is factual
[01:02:08.260 --> 01:02:11.940]  and that type 1 does not have to occur in anyone ever.
[01:02:12.740 --> 01:02:14.980]  Now, I'm not going to say 100% of the people
[01:02:14.980 --> 01:02:19.780]  who are predisposed could avoid it via ketosis.
[01:02:19.780 --> 01:02:20.740]  I'm not going to say 100%.
[01:02:21.700 --> 01:02:23.220]  But if you could reduce those,
[01:02:26.420 --> 01:02:28.580]  you could reduce the onset
[01:02:29.300 --> 01:02:32.340]  in 99% of the people with the predisposition,
[01:02:32.980 --> 01:02:34.980]  you could make sure they didn't onset.
[01:02:36.900 --> 01:02:38.020]  How wonderful would that be?
[01:02:39.620 --> 01:02:42.100]  Now, what are the odds that research is ever going to happen?
[01:02:42.100 --> 01:02:43.860]  Well, zero, I'm pretty sure.
[01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:44.580]  Of course, yeah.
[01:02:45.380 --> 01:02:50.500]  And of course, big pharma makes billions of year off of insulin.
[01:02:51.380 --> 01:02:54.260]  So why would they, you know, sort of being crowdfunded.
[01:02:55.140 --> 01:02:57.380]  And of course, a study with that sort of longevity,
[01:02:58.020 --> 01:03:00.180]  35, 40 years would be insanely expensive.
[01:03:01.220 --> 01:03:05.300]  And only the big players could fund something like that and keep track.
[01:03:06.020 --> 01:03:09.060]  And they have their fingers in the financial pie.
[01:03:09.780 --> 01:03:11.380]  They're the ones making billions.
[01:03:11.380 --> 01:03:12.900]  So it's never going to happen.
[01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:18.020]  But I would encourage people if somebody has type 1 diabetes,
[01:03:18.020 --> 01:03:21.060]  they know their parents did or their grandparents,
[01:03:21.060 --> 01:03:24.580]  they've got type 1, they know it's genetic lineage in their family,
[01:03:24.580 --> 01:03:25.700]  and they're going to have kids.
[01:03:28.820 --> 01:03:31.460]  You may be saving your child from type 1
[01:03:32.180 --> 01:03:36.260]  by keeping that child in ketosis as long as the child is willing to stay in ketosis.
[01:03:36.260 --> 01:03:39.460]  Now, some parents are going to be, so what?
[01:03:39.460 --> 01:03:40.420]  We have insulin.
[01:03:40.420 --> 01:03:41.060]  Why would I care?
[01:03:41.060 --> 01:03:43.460]  What do you do about that?
[01:03:43.460 --> 01:03:44.660]  Yeah. Yeah.
[01:03:44.660 --> 01:03:48.100]  It's going to be tough, but that was such a great explanation.
[01:03:48.100 --> 01:03:52.980]  And we know what low carbohydrates do to people that have type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
[01:03:52.980 --> 01:03:56.260]  They typically do not have the same kind of symptoms.
[01:03:56.260 --> 01:03:58.100]  It's the, what do they call it?
[01:03:58.100 --> 01:04:01.940]  The law of small numbers, the law of small averages or whatever,
[01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:04.100]  where if you're keeping your blood sugar low,
[01:04:04.100 --> 01:04:08.020]  any insulin that you may need will be far, far less anyway.
[01:04:08.020 --> 01:04:10.740]  And so you can manage it so much better.
[01:04:10.740 --> 01:04:13.140]  We know that with people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
[01:04:13.140 --> 01:04:14.900]  And so I love the hypothesis.
[01:04:14.900 --> 01:04:19.060]  It's probably going to have to remain a hypothesis for those reasons that you listed.
[01:04:19.060 --> 01:04:22.180]  And I want to come back around to that one last time.
[01:04:22.180 --> 01:04:26.180]  The chapter that you wrote called A Brave New World that talks about the numbers
[01:04:26.180 --> 01:04:31.540]  and the money and all of the implications from everything that we've talked about today,
[01:04:31.540 --> 01:04:33.060]  everything you've written about in body science.
[01:04:33.700 --> 01:04:38.420]  One more time, what happens if all of a sudden like this,
[01:04:39.060 --> 01:04:42.100]  a bunch of people got your book, a bunch of people read your book.
[01:04:42.100 --> 01:04:44.340]  They decided to do whatever they like for their diet,
[01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:48.980]  which meant whatever for them to stay in ketosis is something they chose.
[01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:50.580]  What would happen economically?
[01:04:51.220 --> 01:04:56.180]  Okay. So first of all, for the, to make this illustration crystal clear,
[01:04:56.180 --> 01:04:58.020]  I don't want it to be muddy or murky in any way.
[01:04:58.740 --> 01:05:02.260]  We're going to say 100% of the people in the United States switched into ketosis.
[01:05:02.260 --> 01:05:06.500]  Okay. Because then we don't have to argue about percentages and whatnot.
[01:05:06.500 --> 01:05:10.100]  Okay. So if everybody switched into ketosis,
[01:05:15.060 --> 01:05:21.620]  first of all, first consequence, the processed food industry would cease to exist.
[01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:29.060]  I don't know how many trillions of dollars the processed food industry makes in the United States.
[01:05:29.620 --> 01:05:33.220]  I don't know how many people are employed by the processed food industry.
[01:05:33.220 --> 01:05:35.140]  And of course, we know how economics work.
[01:05:35.140 --> 01:05:38.820]  It's not just the factories that are spitting out the food.
[01:05:38.820 --> 01:05:42.100]  It's all the companies from which they source materials and the employees.
[01:05:43.540 --> 01:05:50.820]  Just the economic devastation, and I don't mean devastation in a negative sense
[01:05:50.820 --> 01:05:57.300]  in this story we're telling, would be dramatic.
[01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:03.300]  Because literally all these processed food companies
[01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:09.540]  would be out of business within, as long as their bank accounts could hold out,
[01:06:09.540 --> 01:06:11.780]  whether a year, two years, three years, and they're done.
[01:06:12.420 --> 01:06:14.340]  Because virtually nobody would be buying their food.
[01:06:16.180 --> 01:06:18.180]  Grocery stores, you mentioned that a little bit earlier.
[01:06:19.220 --> 01:06:25.140]  Grocery stores, we talked about the fact that probably 90%, 90 plus percent of what they're
[01:06:25.140 --> 01:06:30.100]  selling is some form of processed food versus something that's a whole food.
[01:06:31.060 --> 01:06:37.140]  So now, if people stopped eating processed food, they still need to get calories.
[01:06:37.140 --> 01:06:41.620]  So if somebody was consuming 2,500 calories a day of highly processed food,
[01:06:41.620 --> 01:06:45.940]  or they still need 2,500 calories a day to survive or someplace in that range,
[01:06:45.940 --> 01:06:49.380]  they just have to find another food source, which would be things like meat.
[01:06:51.540 --> 01:06:54.420]  But of course, meat is much more calorically dense than the stuff that's
[01:06:55.380 --> 01:06:57.540]  coming out of the processed food industry, right?
[01:06:57.540 --> 01:07:02.420]  And it's a lot more dramatically more calorically dense than things like vegetables.
[01:07:04.260 --> 01:07:09.940]  What would happen would be the grocery stores, and this would be an adaptation process,
[01:07:09.940 --> 01:07:13.300]  and there would be a lot of pain before the adaptation paid off.
[01:07:14.580 --> 01:07:23.060]  But grocery stores could probably shrink their square footage by about 80%, 70, 80%.
[01:07:24.500 --> 01:07:32.820]  And that remaining 20 or 30% would now be meat, meat byproducts, right?
[01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:38.420]  There'd be no vegetable oil, none of that. There'd be no cereals, there'd be no breads,
[01:07:38.420 --> 01:07:44.020]  there'd be nothing, right? I mean, there'd be no barbecue sauce, because I mean,
[01:07:44.020 --> 01:07:50.740]  as crazy as that sounds, you know this, like 99.9% of barbecue sauces are just loaded up with sugar.
[01:07:50.740 --> 01:07:55.700]  Try and find a sugar-free barbecue sauce, right? It almost doesn't exist, right?
[01:07:55.700 --> 01:08:01.620]  So all these foods would just go away. And all that would be there, there would be an
[01:08:01.620 --> 01:08:05.940]  incredibly large meat, incredibly large by today's standards, incredibly large meat section
[01:08:06.660 --> 01:08:12.740]  and a little tiny vegetable section. So, you know, a grocery store that you walk in, you can't,
[01:08:13.620 --> 01:08:19.540]  today you can't even see the other side, it's so vast. Now you'd walk in, there's the back wall
[01:08:19.540 --> 01:08:27.540]  right there, because it can all be shrunk down, right? We talked about the impact on
[01:08:27.540 --> 01:08:39.780]  medical community, big pharma. Let's talk about fast food. Fast food is, so much of it is highly
[01:08:39.780 --> 01:08:46.740]  processed food products. I didn't call it food, food products again. If everybody in the United
[01:08:46.740 --> 01:08:55.060]  States was saying, for the sake of this illustration, I only eat carnival, then fast food would have to
[01:08:55.060 --> 01:09:00.740]  find a way that when you stepped in the door, instead of asking for your Big Mac or your Whopper,
[01:09:01.460 --> 01:09:08.180]  you'd say, give me that slab of primer or whatever the food is, right? And at that point,
[01:09:08.180 --> 01:09:12.580]  people would actually care about their health. They presumably, in this example, people would
[01:09:12.580 --> 01:09:18.900]  care about their health. So they'd have to get things that were not pumped full of all sorts of
[01:09:18.900 --> 01:09:27.940]  chemicals by, you know, big food and so forth. So it would be a sea change, just complete.
[01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:35.860]  And yeah, there'd be a lot of pain, I'll be very clear about this, but the net outcome
[01:09:36.820 --> 01:09:43.300]  would be America would go from being, within a year, would go from being the sickest
[01:09:44.180 --> 01:09:50.660]  society, the sickest population in all of human history, which we are at this point.
[01:09:50.660 --> 01:09:54.980]  United States population is the sickest population that has ever walked the earth.
[01:09:54.980 --> 01:09:59.140]  We are sicker than people in every other land across the globe. We are the sickest.
[01:09:59.860 --> 01:10:06.500]  In a year, we'd be the healthiest people on the planet. There'd be a lot of economic pain
[01:10:06.500 --> 01:10:14.580]  that would go with that. We can work through the economic pain, but shifting from the sickest
[01:10:14.580 --> 01:10:19.780]  people on the planet and all of human history to being the healthiest, that's some good stuff right
[01:10:19.780 --> 01:10:25.540]  there, at least in my way of seeing the world. It's, it's boggling. I mean, think of all that
[01:10:26.340 --> 01:10:30.100]  extra square footage in the grocery store. We could just throw some weight equipment in there
[01:10:30.100 --> 01:10:36.900]  and people could go grab their beef. That'd be great. We wouldn't even need separate gyms
[01:10:36.900 --> 01:10:42.980]  and supermarkets. It could all be one place. Well, one stop shop for sure. There you go.
[01:10:42.980 --> 01:10:49.620]  Yeah, that's amazing. And as much as you and I would love to imagine a future where that
[01:10:49.620 --> 01:10:55.300]  would happen again, we know the powers that be and the way that this message is going to continue
[01:10:55.300 --> 01:11:00.660]  to be suppressed. But if you're listening to this year, the starfish that people talk about
[01:11:00.660 --> 01:11:04.820]  in that story where the guy's walking on the beach and throwing starfishes back in the ocean
[01:11:04.820 --> 01:11:07.940]  and the other person comes up and says like, Hey, you're never going to save all these starfishes.
[01:11:07.940 --> 01:11:11.620]  It's like, well, like save this one. He throws it in the ocean. Like you can be that person.
[01:11:11.620 --> 01:11:15.220]  You and your family can change the way you eat. You can change the way you think about food.
[01:11:15.220 --> 01:11:21.060]  Body science is a great way to learn about some of this stuff. And if you take the implications,
[01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:24.900]  cause you don't tell people what to do, by the way, you don't tell people that they have to be
[01:11:24.900 --> 01:11:29.620]  in ketosis and eat X, Y, and Z to be able to do it. It's just, this is the information. Now you
[01:11:29.620 --> 01:11:34.340]  decide what you're going to do. If you're the listener thinking that this is possible, you're
[01:11:34.340 --> 01:11:39.540]  right. Like you can go and do this. I I'm telling you, like, I I'm assuming it's the same for you,
[01:11:39.540 --> 01:11:44.340]  but since I've been on this way of eating, I have not gone to one medical doctor. I've not needed
[01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:50.900]  one prescription. Uh, my food costs a very low amount. I spend a few bucks a day on all the food
[01:11:50.900 --> 01:11:55.860]  that I need eating mostly carnivore. It's amazing. And your energy is good and your brain works
[01:11:55.860 --> 01:12:02.260]  better. And everybody in this community seems to be reversed aging magically. Like you are
[01:12:02.260 --> 01:12:08.740]  younger every time I see you, all of that is possible when you get the information that is
[01:12:08.740 --> 01:12:13.300]  in your book. And I'm again, I'm assuming that is the case for you. What, what are your medical
[01:12:13.300 --> 01:12:19.860]  bills? Like how many prescriptions are you on at age 65, like 64? Excuse me. Um, do you have the
[01:12:19.860 --> 01:12:24.740]  same experience that I've had? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I haven't, I haven't seen, well, not only
[01:12:24.740 --> 01:12:30.500]  have I not seen a doctor since I switched into ketosis, um, because I haven't had to, not only
[01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:41.220]  do I not take any prescription drugs, um, but I haven't been sick a day since I shifted into
[01:12:41.220 --> 01:12:48.820]  ketosis. Now that includes going through the whole SARS-CoV-2 event, right? Um, you know, I,
[01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:53.860]  I hope people won't take what I'm about to say the wrong way because I, I have,
[01:12:55.060 --> 01:13:03.060]  I have empathy for people who had a hard time with COVID-19. I have sympathy for the families
[01:13:03.060 --> 01:13:09.300]  of those who passed away. Okay. So please don't take this the wrong way for me.
[01:13:10.660 --> 01:13:17.780]  SARS-CoV-2, I call it the SARS-CoV-2 event because by the original definition of pandemic,
[01:13:17.780 --> 01:13:28.100]  it wasn't even a pandemic. Okay. Um, by the, by this, the SARS-CoV-2 event was a non-event
[01:13:28.900 --> 01:13:36.100]  for me. It was like, what the hell are all you people doing?
[01:13:39.380 --> 01:13:46.260]  It was funny because in about the first quarter of 2021, I went out and I had a blood test
[01:13:46.980 --> 01:13:51.380]  that what I paid for out of pocket, not none of that government crap, right? And that is,
[01:13:51.380 --> 01:13:57.380]  I don't want to be part of creating data for them on something that was run amok, right? So
[01:13:58.100 --> 01:14:07.460]  out of pocket for a test for SARS-CoV-2 specific T cell response. Okay. And
[01:14:09.140 --> 01:14:14.260]  the particular kind of T cell that they were testing for lifespan is roughly eight months.
[01:14:14.980 --> 01:14:22.420]  Okay. Sometimes it can be a little longer. Um, and I came up positive. Okay. So at some point
[01:14:22.420 --> 01:14:33.140]  during 2020, the SARS-CoV-2 virus got inside me and engendered, um, an antigenic response,
[01:14:34.100 --> 01:14:38.660]  but I was never sick a day in my life, right? You, now we go to the news and we see, you know,
[01:14:38.660 --> 01:14:44.340]  it was an RSV and you get the flu and you, you know, COVID is back and everybody's freaking out
[01:14:44.340 --> 01:14:50.020]  in hospitals or putting mask mandates back in place. And again, I don't care what it is,
[01:14:50.020 --> 01:14:55.140]  add all those together, you know, one big, this is fall, this is fall, this is winter, right? Okay.
[01:14:56.020 --> 01:15:00.020]  And again, I'm sitting over here. Well, none of that has anything to do with me
[01:15:03.300 --> 01:15:09.140]  because I've been living in ketosis for years. I don't ever get, I literally have not got,
[01:15:09.140 --> 01:15:15.540]  you know, like you, oh, I'm sick. I have to go to bed. I can't work. Not once since I switched
[01:15:15.540 --> 01:15:19.060]  into ketosis, but I do know when my body's fighting something. And I don't know if you
[01:15:19.060 --> 01:15:27.700]  have the same experience, Casey, if my body's fighting something, the worst of it is I feel
[01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:34.820]  a little off. Yeah. And one of the telltale signs for me, I don't know if this applies to others.
[01:15:36.100 --> 01:15:38.980]  I notice I react a little bit more emotionally to things.
[01:15:39.700 --> 01:15:48.500]  Things that I would go, suddenly I'm like, I don't like that. And I catch myself and I go,
[01:15:48.500 --> 01:15:54.820]  oh, I'm fighting something off. And, you know, a day or two later, I'm back to my normal
[01:15:55.620 --> 01:16:03.780]  person, my normal continents. But like, actually, like, I don't feel well. I have to go to bed. I
[01:16:03.780 --> 01:16:12.820]  can't work. I can't go to the gym has not happened. Not once since I've since I shifted into ketosis
[01:16:12.820 --> 01:16:18.820]  years ago. So this is this part of the thing, Casey, that I know I've expressed frustration
[01:16:18.820 --> 01:16:23.380]  on a couple of points as we've been talking today. You know, I want to like grab people
[01:16:23.380 --> 01:16:30.740]  by the lapels. I'm like, what don't you get? Now, granted, you and I also go to the gym,
[01:16:30.740 --> 01:16:37.380]  we do cardio, we do resistance training, which, for those of your audience who may not be aware
[01:16:37.380 --> 01:16:42.500]  of this, that's critical for your immune system, because a huge part of your immune system
[01:16:43.540 --> 01:16:48.820]  involves your lymphatic system. And unlike your cardiac system, where you've got a pump called
[01:16:48.820 --> 01:16:56.020]  the heart, your lymph system does not have a pump. But yet the lymph fluid to be healthy,
[01:16:56.020 --> 01:17:00.740]  most especially your immune system to be healthy, that lymph fluid has to circulate.
[01:17:01.380 --> 01:17:07.540]  The only way lymph fluid circulates is by the contraction of skeletal muscle.
[01:17:08.340 --> 01:17:13.140]  That's it. There's no other way to circulate it. So whether it's doing squats, whether it's doing
[01:17:13.140 --> 01:17:18.740]  curls, whether it's doing lat pulldowns, whatever that that action, the contraction release,
[01:17:18.740 --> 01:17:23.780]  contraction release, contraction release, moves the lymph fluid, right, which goes through the
[01:17:23.780 --> 01:17:29.620]  lymph nodes. It also affects your bone marrow. These things are all critical to your immune system.
[01:17:30.580 --> 01:17:36.820]  Which I think for speaking for me, and probably for you, we never get sick, because we're in
[01:17:36.820 --> 01:17:43.060]  ketosis. And we exercise. And I should say, since I've talked about the gym several times,
[01:17:43.700 --> 01:17:46.980]  you don't need to go to the gym. And if you don't, if you go to the gym, you don't need
[01:17:46.980 --> 01:17:53.940]  to be Arnold Schwarzenegger. Go there, do 20 or 25 minutes of cardio a day, move some weights around,
[01:17:54.500 --> 01:17:58.260]  um, get that muscle contraction of your skeletal muscles.
[01:18:00.020 --> 01:18:04.420]  And, and it'll all fall into place because that's how our bodies are genetically coded.
[01:18:04.980 --> 01:18:10.340]  Just do it. And you'll have the same response that Casey and I have had in our lives.
[01:18:11.300 --> 01:18:16.100]  Yep. Yep. Absolutely. When all this stuff went down in 2020, I was at low carb Denver,
[01:18:16.100 --> 01:18:20.900]  and all of us were watching the world shut down around us and saying the exact same thing. Well,
[01:18:20.900 --> 01:18:25.460]  this doesn't really, this, this isn't a problem I need to worry about. Like, yeah, we'll be careful
[01:18:25.460 --> 01:18:29.700]  or whatever, but everybody in that room knew that they had not gotten sick since they had been eating
[01:18:29.700 --> 01:18:34.420]  this way. That was exactly my experience. The day I got COVID, I felt like for 20 minutes,
[01:18:34.420 --> 01:18:37.700]  I might want to just kind of like lay down a little bit, but there was a world cup soccer
[01:18:37.700 --> 01:18:41.940]  game going on and I kind of wanted to watch that too. So I can't really see where there was one
[01:18:41.940 --> 01:18:46.420]  of the other, that was fine. So, and that is so consistent with anybody who eats this way. So
[01:18:46.420 --> 01:18:50.660]  I love that you made that point. You made that point in the book. Also that's like ketosis is
[01:18:50.660 --> 01:18:55.300]  not an up regulation really of your immune system. It's just removing all the stuff that
[01:18:55.300 --> 01:19:01.460]  suppresses your immune system, that makes it worse. This is our normal natural state of being.
[01:19:01.460 --> 01:19:08.900]  And all of the diseases and things that we now understand very well are related to insulin
[01:19:08.900 --> 01:19:14.420]  resistance and running the hepatic lipid system way too much by eating the wrong things, sugar
[01:19:14.420 --> 01:19:19.140]  and grains contributes to all of it. And if you can switch that system and start running your body
[01:19:19.140 --> 01:19:24.900]  in the right way, using ketosis and the lymphatic lipid system, everything improves, everything gets
[01:19:24.900 --> 01:19:29.300]  better. And that story just keeps repeating over and over and over and over again. It's amazing.
[01:19:29.300 --> 01:19:35.620]  It's so cool. One of the highlights for me about sitting here talking to you about this kind of
[01:19:35.620 --> 01:19:38.820]  thing is I spent a lot of time
[01:19:42.500 --> 01:19:49.700]  trying to influence people. And a lot of that's on social media. I have private clients, but a lot
[01:19:49.700 --> 01:19:58.820]  of that is on social media. And I don't know if you feel the same way, but it's a struggle
[01:19:58.820 --> 01:20:04.020]  trying to get people to open their minds. And here, the kind of things you and I have talked about today,
[01:20:04.020 --> 01:20:10.020]  it's a struggle, it's challenging. And so then I come on and I talk to somebody like you,
[01:20:10.020 --> 01:20:17.220]  it's like, ah, what a breath of fresh air. Somebody whose mind was open from day one,
[01:20:17.220 --> 01:20:21.140]  who took the information in, who performed the assessment, the evaluation, who looked at the
[01:20:21.140 --> 01:20:28.740]  evidence, adopted it, has lived it out tremendously for the rest of his life. And it's
[01:20:28.740 --> 01:20:35.860]  absolutely successful in a health perspective. Just leaving aside the audience, I just love having this
[01:20:35.860 --> 01:20:44.580]  conversation with you. It's like somebody who gets it right on. I don't talk to a lot of people who
[01:20:44.580 --> 01:20:52.500]  get it. It's tough. We are the minority out there, right? And it was learning about it the same way
[01:20:52.500 --> 01:20:58.340]  that you learned about it. This cannot be true. What I'm learning about the way
[01:20:58.340 --> 01:21:03.380]  that works and cholesterol works, then everybody has been wrong for all this time. And maybe people
[01:21:03.380 --> 01:21:12.340]  are making money off of these weird ideas. I feel like you are very grateful to have stumbled
[01:21:12.340 --> 01:21:16.340]  across this information and applied it with my clients and my own life to be able to reap the
[01:21:16.340 --> 01:21:21.460]  benefit. I know you feel the same way, you and Jen. I love what you guys are doing with adopting
[01:21:21.460 --> 01:21:25.860]  cats and you just got a new dog. I love the pictures of that. You're always either posting
[01:21:25.860 --> 01:21:29.620]  delicious pictures of your food or pictures of your pets, which I absolutely love.
[01:21:31.460 --> 01:21:38.260]  What's on the horizon for you? What's next for you? Oh, good question. And I've been wondering
[01:21:38.260 --> 01:21:49.780]  that myself. I love to write and you apparently think I did an admirable job with body science
[01:21:50.260 --> 01:22:01.780]  in terms of communicating, breaking science down into language that everyone can understand. There's
[01:22:01.780 --> 01:22:07.060]  what? 8.1 billion people on the planet and provided they speak English, they'll understand
[01:22:07.060 --> 01:22:12.740]  everything that's in body science. I stayed away as far as possible from the medical mumbo jumbo
[01:22:13.540 --> 01:22:17.940]  and represented. Now, Income Tax Shattering the Mist, my first book,
[01:22:19.940 --> 01:22:31.140]  same thing. It takes this incredibly vast and intentionally made complex, insane-making subject
[01:22:31.140 --> 01:22:36.980]  and it breaks it down into something that every single person can understand. And in both cases,
[01:22:36.980 --> 01:22:45.700]  the common denominator there is knowing what I knew, I couldn't just sit it out silently.
[01:22:47.300 --> 01:22:51.860]  And that was the impetus for Income Tax Shattering the Mist and it was the impetus
[01:22:51.860 --> 01:22:57.220]  for body science. Knowing what I know, I couldn't just sit it out. If I didn't,
[01:22:58.260 --> 01:23:05.300]  if I didn't, was that all expression? If not me, then who? So knowing what I knew, if I didn't
[01:23:05.300 --> 01:23:08.740]  share this with my countrymen and in case of body science, people all over the world,
[01:23:10.180 --> 01:23:15.300]  who's going to do that? And I have a gift for taking complex subjects and breaking them down
[01:23:15.300 --> 01:23:20.900]  to the things that every single person can understand, that nobody has to have a higher
[01:23:20.900 --> 01:23:26.260]  education, anything like that. We all have our gifts, right? That happens to be one of mine,
[01:23:26.980 --> 01:23:34.100]  the ability to distill and simplify and yet not lose the underlying important science or in the
[01:23:34.100 --> 01:23:37.060]  case of Income Tax Shattering the Mist, the important law, but break it down in a way
[01:23:37.060 --> 01:23:44.100]  everybody can understand. So in answer to your question, having done that twice, I'm kind of
[01:23:44.100 --> 01:23:55.940]  looking for the next thing. I did start a novel, that kind of petered out, I think, because it
[01:23:55.940 --> 01:24:01.060]  didn't have the same drive, the impetus to share critical information as the previous projects.
[01:24:01.940 --> 01:24:06.420]  I have toyed with the idea of writing a more like a pamphlet than a book,
[01:24:08.900 --> 01:24:15.060]  maybe a very skinny book on exercise. And from the perspective that,
[01:24:16.980 --> 01:24:20.820]  just like all the other subjects we've been talking about today, what most people have been
[01:24:20.820 --> 01:24:30.020]  programmed with by the media about exercise is actually false. There's so much bad information
[01:24:30.020 --> 01:24:37.460]  out there. So it would be like a companion piece, almost a body science, because a lot of it would
[01:24:39.460 --> 01:24:46.100]  revolve around somebody being in ketosis. But just the reality of what happens to our body,
[01:24:46.100 --> 01:24:50.740]  what happens to the brain when you exercise? I bet if we lined a thousand Americans up and asked
[01:24:50.740 --> 01:24:58.100]  them, explain to me the mechanism that occurs, the changes that occur in your brain function
[01:24:59.060 --> 01:25:04.500]  as you're exercising and in the hours after you've exercised. Go ahead and explain that to me.
[01:25:05.540 --> 01:25:12.260]  I don't know. Okay. We've talked about blood sugar a lot today. What happens in terms of blood sugar?
[01:25:12.980 --> 01:25:18.580]  What happens, we talked about the ATP's on the Krebs cycle, right? Which is so funny because
[01:25:18.580 --> 01:25:24.740]  that's part of the whole glucosis existence. Yeah. And when I say to people, when you're in
[01:25:24.980 --> 01:25:31.540]  ketosis, the Krebs cycle doesn't function in your muscle tissue. Oh, Casey, people get so mad.
[01:25:31.540 --> 01:25:37.460]  They're like, it absolutely still does. The Krebs cycle, the ATP is still critical for energy,
[01:25:37.460 --> 01:25:44.260]  for cellular energy. I'm like, not in the muscle tissue, not in ketosis. But they get so mad.
[01:25:46.100 --> 01:25:53.780]  But the point is, in sharing that, they don't understand. And especially because you remember
[01:25:53.780 --> 01:26:00.820]  back in the 80s, right? The whole exercise was all about trendiness and looking good. And
[01:26:01.780 --> 01:26:07.220]  Suzanne Summer doing that thing with her legs. Yeah. Psymaster.
[01:26:08.740 --> 01:26:12.980]  So it was just crazy stuff, right? And it just went from there getting crazier.
[01:26:13.860 --> 01:26:20.420]  And the reason I'm considering this is how many Americans would actually adopt some level of
[01:26:20.500 --> 01:26:26.980]  exercise. I don't even like the word exercise. It's been so bastardized with all these different
[01:26:26.980 --> 01:26:37.300]  ideas. How many people start moving their body if they understood what it does for them really?
[01:26:38.660 --> 01:26:42.980]  Not all the crap you see in muscle and fitness. Not all the crap you see in, you know,
[01:26:42.980 --> 01:26:48.980]  Eating Well magazine. Yeah, none of that garbage. Just what it really does physiologically for the
[01:26:48.980 --> 01:26:57.860]  human body. I wonder how many people would say, I didn't get it. I thought this was like a fad or
[01:26:57.860 --> 01:27:05.540]  a hype or people do this because they they they're vain. They want to look good. I didn't realize
[01:27:05.540 --> 01:27:13.940]  like ancient man was healthy. Because like it or not, there was no couch to sit on. Like it or not,
[01:27:14.580 --> 01:27:20.580]  he had to get off his ass and go out and walk and run and lift and push
[01:27:21.780 --> 01:27:26.340]  every single day. Was he was he lifting Arnold Schwarzenegger weights? He was not
[01:27:27.460 --> 01:27:33.140]  overwhelmingly, right? 99.99999% of the time, he was not lifting, you know, 400 pounds. But
[01:27:33.940 --> 01:27:39.140]  he was lifting and he was pulling, he was squatting and he was running and he was walking and he was
[01:27:39.220 --> 01:27:44.980]  wrestling, so to speak. And, you know, and, you know, I don't know how many original hominids
[01:27:44.980 --> 01:27:50.900]  existed on Earth. But I think we can agree the number was probably very small originally.
[01:27:52.820 --> 01:27:57.300]  And we're eight point something billion people now. 8.1, I think the last time I looked. Okay.
[01:27:57.300 --> 01:28:08.980]  So in a lot of that, that arc from however many small to billions occurred when man couldn't
[01:28:08.980 --> 01:28:14.340]  sit on his ass. He had to get up every day, he had to walk, he had to run, he had to push,
[01:28:14.340 --> 01:28:23.380]  he had to pull, he had a squat. And there was a reason that men use that like mankind not versus
[01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:32.180]  women. There's a reason that mankind was healthy and persevered through all of the hardships,
[01:28:32.180 --> 01:28:37.460]  all of the bacteria, all of the diseases, all of the incredibly cold winters, all of the insanely
[01:28:37.460 --> 01:28:41.620]  hot summers. And the population just kept growing and growing and growing and growing
[01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:48.100]  because he was healthy. He ate meat predominantly, overwhelmingly. He ate meat whenever possible.
[01:28:49.220 --> 01:28:55.540]  There was tribes that could not, but overwhelmingly ate meat and moved, had to every day.
[01:28:56.340 --> 01:29:00.660]  You see some of these researchers and they talk about they've gone to various tribes around the
[01:29:00.660 --> 01:29:04.660]  world and see what they've eaten. You know, and some of them are like, well, they eat like, you
[01:29:04.660 --> 01:29:10.180]  know, 85% carbohydrates. So that throws the carbohydrate argument out the window. You're
[01:29:10.180 --> 01:29:18.980]  not sick because of carbohydrates. Okay. So first of all, those tribes, they exist on the ancient
[01:29:18.980 --> 01:29:25.780]  level. Okay. Yes, their diet may be because of their circumstances where they live. Their diet
[01:29:25.780 --> 01:29:32.980]  may be 85% carbs, but they're moving from the minute they get on their feet until the minute
[01:29:33.220 --> 01:29:40.500]  they lay their head down and their calorie intake may be like 700 or 900, I'm sorry,
[01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:51.060]  800 or 900 calories a day. A thousand calorie day is big calories, right? So people who are active,
[01:29:52.100 --> 01:29:58.980]  they have to be active to survive like those tribes do. And a big day of calories is a thousand
[01:29:58.980 --> 01:30:08.580]  calories. Yeah. They can survive living in glucose. It's not the desirable way. And there
[01:30:08.580 --> 01:30:15.700]  was experiments from genetically similar tribes in Africa where they had tribes that ate predominantly
[01:30:15.700 --> 01:30:21.380]  vegetable foods and they had tribes that ate nothing but meat. Okay. They had some, I forget
[01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:26.020]  the slogan, but that tribe, that part of the truck is they had had a disagreement at some point and
[01:30:26.020 --> 01:30:31.060]  went their separate ways. The tribe that ate primarily meat, they had some expression to some
[01:30:31.060 --> 01:30:37.860]  slogan like vegetables are for women or something like that. Right. And we're going back more than
[01:30:37.860 --> 01:30:42.820]  a hundred years ago now, but researchers tested the two tribes, which were genetically similar
[01:30:42.820 --> 01:30:47.460]  because they used to be one people. Okay. And those that ate nothing but animal flesh
[01:30:48.420 --> 01:30:54.660]  were stronger and faster than their counterparts who had a different diet. So the point being
[01:30:54.660 --> 01:31:01.460]  there's that good, better, best scale. And, uh, sure. People can survive on 900 calories a day,
[01:31:01.460 --> 01:31:06.980]  the 85% which of carbohydrates because of their circumstances, but that's not on the good, better,
[01:31:06.980 --> 01:31:11.620]  best scale. That's not best, right? Eating the meat is the best eating the meat and moving.
[01:31:12.260 --> 01:31:17.860]  That's the pinnacle. That's the apex. That's where you are. Yeah. That's where you are.
[01:31:19.060 --> 01:31:23.060]  Yeah. Have you gotten the, have you gotten the impression I could do this for hours because I
[01:31:23.060 --> 01:31:29.220]  love the subject. Yes. And I love this subject too. And I really, really, really hope you do
[01:31:29.220 --> 01:31:34.340]  write that book, pamphlet, booklet, whatever, because that is a message it needs to get out.
[01:31:34.340 --> 01:31:39.060]  People, I tell people all the time, like exercise, eating nutrition, all this stuff,
[01:31:39.620 --> 01:31:44.900]  maybe it's not easy, but it should be simple. All of this stuff could be very, very simple, moving,
[01:31:44.900 --> 01:31:48.980]  lifting, squatting. Like you said, it doesn't take much more than that. I think if more people knew
[01:31:48.980 --> 01:31:55.140]  that they would be, like you said, like more apt to try it. You know what I mean? So for me,
[01:31:55.140 --> 01:32:00.100]  selfishly, I really do hope that you write this book and I know that we could go on and on and on
[01:32:00.100 --> 01:32:05.460]  and on for hours on this topic. I absolutely love it. I'm so grateful for our friendship. I'm glad
[01:32:05.460 --> 01:32:09.460]  that you mailed me the book when you did, when I did not know who you were and that we've been able
[01:32:09.460 --> 01:32:13.620]  to do a few of these and just, I've learned so much from you and all your research. And you know,
[01:32:13.620 --> 01:32:17.700]  again, is it going to change the world? Unfortunately, probably not, but we can change
[01:32:17.700 --> 01:32:22.580]  a few lives out there and your book is a big part of that. So as always, thank you so very much for
[01:32:22.580 --> 01:32:26.580]  all of your work and your research and everything that you do. Where would you like people to go to
[01:32:26.580 --> 01:32:31.060]  find you, connect with you and your work and find a book? Okay. Before I say that, I want to
[01:32:31.060 --> 01:32:37.700]  acknowledge you. Yes, I did send you the book. Okay. But you read it and you had an interest in
[01:32:37.700 --> 01:32:44.020]  talking about it. I cannot tell you how many authors, influencers, et cetera, not authors,
[01:32:44.020 --> 01:32:47.940]  journalists and influencers I've sent a copy of body science to.
[01:32:50.500 --> 01:32:55.380]  Very few have actually read it and almost none want to talk about it, which I think is part of
[01:32:55.380 --> 01:32:59.780]  the reasons we discussed earlier. So I wanted to acknowledge you. Yes, I sent you the book,
[01:32:59.780 --> 01:33:07.540]  but it's all about you. You took the bull by the horns and you did what is beneficial for others.
[01:33:08.100 --> 01:33:14.340]  Okay. You read it, you applied it, you talk about it. Thank you for having me on. Now onto your
[01:33:14.340 --> 01:33:19.140]  question. If people want to get body science or anything else I've written, they can go to
[01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:28.420]  drreality.news. That's D-R reality, all one word, drreality.news. They can follow me on rumble.
[01:33:28.980 --> 01:33:34.500]  That's where I put all my videos these days because YouTube removed me because I was telling the
[01:33:34.500 --> 01:33:42.100]  truth and they didn't like that. So if you go to rumble, simply search for Dave Champion PhD.
[01:33:43.300 --> 01:33:49.540]  For whatever reason, when you enter Dave Champion without the PhD in rumble, it doesn't really bring
[01:33:49.540 --> 01:33:56.660]  me up for some reason. So make sure you add the PhD. Also, I am on X, formerly Twitter,
[01:33:57.620 --> 01:34:06.900]  and my username there is drreality5, the same D-R reality with the numeral five at the end,
[01:34:06.900 --> 01:34:14.580]  and you'll find me there. I post my videos on both X natively and on rumble. And of course,
[01:34:14.580 --> 01:34:19.540]  if somebody's on Facebook, they can reach out and friend me, but I should warn them,
[01:34:19.540 --> 01:34:26.900]  you're a friend of mine on Facebook. I talk about a whole spectrum of things on my personal
[01:34:26.900 --> 01:34:32.980]  Facebook page that I don't get into on X and rumble. So somebody may think they know what
[01:34:32.980 --> 01:34:38.660]  they're getting and not be so happy on the Facebook side of things. So if you just want to stick to
[01:34:38.660 --> 01:34:45.460]  the law and you want to stick to physiology, rumble and X is probably where you want to be.
[01:34:46.020 --> 01:34:50.420]  Awesome. Perfect. We'll link all that up in the show notes. Dave, this has been a pleasure and
[01:34:50.420 --> 01:34:53.700]  thank you so very much for the kind words. I really appreciate it. Thank you for writing the book.
[01:34:53.700 --> 01:34:59.380]  It's a shame that others didn't because they're missing out and it's a story that needs to get
[01:34:59.380 --> 01:35:04.980]  out to more people. And again, you absolutely have a gift of making things really complex,
[01:35:04.980 --> 01:35:10.180]  be very well understood for the reader. And yeah, you do a great job of that. So thank you so very
[01:35:10.180 --> 01:35:13.300]  much again for all of your work and thank you for taking time to be on our show today. We
[01:35:13.300 --> 01:35:16.820]  really appreciate you. Thanks Casey. Thank you.