Detecting language using up to the first 30 seconds. Use `--language` to specify the language Detected language: English [00:01.000 --> 00:06.360] Welcome back to the channel normally when I'm with you I provide you with original content from me today [00:06.360 --> 00:09.520] We're gonna do something a little bit different about mid-september [00:09.520 --> 00:15.840] I appeared as a guest on the boundless body radio show hosted by Casey rough [00:15.840 --> 00:18.600] Who's a spectacular human being so today? [00:18.600 --> 00:23.720] I want to share with you the video version of that interview that Casey and I did together [00:24.080 --> 00:26.880] And I'm pretty sure if you haven't heard me talk about these topics before [00:27.600 --> 00:32.040] You're gonna have your mind blow it and I'll touch base with you when we get to the end enjoy [00:37.120 --> 00:40.320] The doctor reality vodcast with dame champion [00:48.760 --> 00:51.680] Hello and welcome to another episode of boundless body radio [00:51.680 --> 00:55.640] I'm your host Casey Ross and today we have another amazing guest to reintroduce you now [00:55.880 --> 01:01.620] Dave champion is a returning guest on our show be sure to check out his first appearance on our podcast on episode [01:01.880 --> 01:03.600] 121 of balance body radio [01:03.600 --> 01:10.360] Dave champion is a former army ranger with a law enforcement background in the private sector Dave is a businessman turned journalist [01:10.520 --> 01:17.640] Having hosted his own radio and television shows for nearly two decades in addition to being a physiologist with doctoral with a doctoral degree and political [01:18.240 --> 01:24.760] Philosophy champion has an extensive background of legal studies Dave has written the groundbreaking and widely claimed income tax [01:25.000 --> 01:31.320] Shattering the myths his second book body science the new 21st century understanding of how your physiology really works [01:31.400 --> 01:38.740] Leave the myths and lies behind get healthier than you or your doctor ever imagined and avoid chronic disease is the result of his research [01:38.740 --> 01:45.400] Into the core principles of human physiology leading to a visionary understanding of how every person on the planet can get healthy [01:45.640 --> 01:49.060] Stay healthy and reduce their odds of chronic disease to virtually zero [01:49.060 --> 01:53.880] It is one of my favorite books on the subject and will be the topic of our discussion today Dave champion [01:53.880 --> 01:56.680] What an absolute honor just to welcome you back to balance body radio [01:57.400 --> 01:59.400] Thanks, Casey. It's a pleasure to be here [01:59.800 --> 02:05.080] By the way of all that stuff you just read the most meaningful to me was when you said it's one of your favorite books [02:05.080 --> 02:10.040] On the subject. Thank you. I mean it you you came out of nowhere. I didn't know you existed [02:10.040 --> 02:11.400] I don't know how you found me [02:11.400 --> 02:14.200] But you offered to send me a book and I was like, yeah, sure. This is great [02:14.440 --> 02:19.160] And just a few pages in I was already hooked and you I told you this a little bit offline [02:19.480 --> 02:25.560] You do such a good job of telling the story in a way that's understandable this can get really complex [02:25.880 --> 02:28.680] Um and lots of different moving parts and pieces and everything [02:28.840 --> 02:31.560] But you really cut to the chase and your arguments are fantastic [02:31.560 --> 02:33.800] I love that you almost take that kind of journalistic [02:34.120 --> 02:38.360] Um approach that gary calves takes when he does it's like a lawyer [02:38.520 --> 02:42.200] I can see your lawyer background coming through but it's understandable which I love [02:42.840 --> 02:46.760] Okay, so to use my name and gary calves in the same sentence. Thank you. I'm honored [02:47.320 --> 02:50.360] Very flattering because I consider gary just amazing [02:50.920 --> 02:52.120] He is absolutely amazing [02:52.120 --> 02:57.000] I just finished some of his books the case against sugar and also why we get fat for like the second or third time recently [02:57.000 --> 02:58.520] And it's it really is incredible [02:58.520 --> 03:01.080] You know, even though those books have been out for quite a while to listen again [03:01.320 --> 03:05.480] You take something new from it every time and just finishing your book this week again [03:05.560 --> 03:11.880] I took something new from it and learn more things that that um, you know, I i've forgotten about and so I really appreciate what you've done here [03:12.120 --> 03:16.200] um, and so hopefully we can deep dive into this content today and and hear the story of [03:16.440 --> 03:18.440] Of how this all came about [03:18.600 --> 03:20.520] Let's do it. Awesome. That sounds great [03:20.520 --> 03:26.440] The other thing I want to do is since I know what diet you are on and I know how long you've been on that diet [03:26.440 --> 03:28.440] You even post pictures of the things you eat [03:28.680 --> 03:35.400] I'm personally a little bit concerned and so we're going to be asking you some very specific questions about health conditions that surely [03:35.880 --> 03:41.000] Surely you must be dealing with after three and a half years on carnivores. We'll save that for the end. Um, [03:41.400 --> 03:43.400] Okay [03:44.360 --> 03:45.480] You're fantastic [03:45.480 --> 03:52.120] But before we do tell us a little bit about the story of how you got into this story as something that caught your attention [03:53.480 --> 03:55.480] right, so [03:55.720 --> 03:59.800] I I just I don't know how many years going back this is but I I had never heard [04:00.440 --> 04:02.520] Of this thing called keto [04:02.520 --> 04:09.160] And I was at the gym one day and I looked over and I saw what I thought was a gentleman that I knew [04:09.640 --> 04:14.600] Um who probably at one point been pushing about 300 pounds. I'm sorry not pushing weights [04:14.840 --> 04:17.480] His his whole body weight was pushing 300 pounds [04:18.120 --> 04:23.800] And I looked at this guy and and I said judge judge him from looking at him from the back [04:24.600 --> 04:30.120] It it looks like shawn. I said that can't be shawn because shawn's like another 120 pounds heavier [04:31.000 --> 04:38.040] And so as i'm looking over and having this discussion in my head he turns around i'm like, oh my god, that is shawn [04:38.440 --> 04:43.480] So I march over to him and I compliment him on how great he looks and I said how did you do this? [04:44.040 --> 04:46.040] And he says oh, it's keto [04:46.920 --> 04:48.040] What's that? [04:48.040 --> 04:51.560] So he starts explaining to me that he's eating 80 fat [04:52.120 --> 04:55.800] And that that's how he's lost all this weight. And of course at that time [04:56.520 --> 05:00.520] um, I I guess I was still to some extent as [05:01.640 --> 05:06.280] You probably know i've written my whole life about false establishment narratives. That's sort of my thing [05:06.840 --> 05:11.960] Um, nevertheless, I think there was still a part of me that was stuck in the old paradigm the old nutritional paradigm [05:12.200 --> 05:16.440] The falsehoods that have been propagated by the establishment from the last 60 years [05:16.680 --> 05:22.120] So he tells me that he's eating 80 fat and that's how I dropped all that weight and i'm like, yeah [05:23.000 --> 05:25.000] sure, so [05:26.760 --> 05:33.080] But I couldn't deny what i'd seen with my own eyes that was the conundrum for me I I didn't buy into it [05:34.040 --> 05:39.000] But I saw the results right so I came home and I told jan I said man [05:39.000 --> 05:41.640] I saw shawn this would happen. I I don't know what this thing is [05:42.200 --> 05:45.000] But if it's valid if it's true, I want to know [05:45.640 --> 05:47.640] and that moment [05:48.360 --> 05:54.520] Was the the genus of what eventually became body science the the initial step was [05:55.000 --> 06:01.240] um, I spent three weeks every single night tearing up the research on [06:01.880 --> 06:05.800] Um ketosis not so much the keto diet, but but what ketosis does [06:06.740 --> 06:07.880] physiologically [06:07.880 --> 06:13.640] And when I was done with the third week, I marched into jen's office here at the house and I said [06:15.560 --> 06:16.920] It's safe [06:16.920 --> 06:18.200] It's healthy [06:18.200 --> 06:20.200] I want to do it [06:20.280 --> 06:23.480] And she said, okay, let's do it. I said, oh you're gonna do it with me. She's just yeah [06:25.080 --> 06:30.440] Here we are, you know more than four and a half years later. Um, we've been in [06:31.320 --> 06:35.960] Living in ketosis. That's a phrase that i'm very keen on in quotes living in ketosis [06:36.280 --> 06:41.720] Which is entirely different than using the keto diet or the carnivore diet or the paleo diet or what have you? [06:42.200 --> 06:48.520] um for the purpose of losing weight living in ketosis to me is where it's at it's something entirely different from [06:48.760 --> 06:50.760] what a lot of people are doing which is just [06:51.240 --> 06:56.520] A diet, okay. Yeah, so we've been living in ketosis for more than four and a half years now [06:57.080 --> 07:00.280] Wow, and I know there's something that you say about your book, which I really appreciate [07:00.520 --> 07:04.040] This is not a diet book. And so i'm so glad you made that distinction [07:04.360 --> 07:08.040] What did you want to focus on when you told this story? Why is this not a diet book? [07:11.160 --> 07:13.160] All right, let me go back and talk about [07:13.640 --> 07:17.240] What I like to do when I write you're probably aware. I don't know you may not have read it [07:17.240 --> 07:20.600] But you're probably aware that i'm the author of income tax shattered mess. That's right [07:21.320 --> 07:22.840] and [07:22.840 --> 07:25.960] When I set out to write that my goal was so that [07:26.520 --> 07:28.520] When the person closes the final page [07:28.920 --> 07:30.420] they have [07:30.420 --> 07:32.200] absolutely no [07:32.200 --> 07:33.240] doubt [07:33.240 --> 07:37.880] What the truth is concerning the income tax? Okay. I didn't want anyone to close the book and say [07:38.600 --> 07:43.480] Oh man, there was so many holes in that so much missing. I I really don't i'm really not committed. I I [07:44.520 --> 07:46.680] I'm not thoroughly convicted by this. Okay [07:47.160 --> 07:50.920] um, I think if you're going to tell a truth that is viewed [07:51.560 --> 07:58.520] Even if it's not actually controversial, but if it's viewed by the masses controversy, you better button down everything that that's my philosophy [07:59.400 --> 08:00.680] and so [08:00.680 --> 08:04.120] One of the things that I wanted to do in body science was exactly that [08:04.600 --> 08:07.320] When somebody closed the final page on body science [08:08.440 --> 08:10.440] I wanted them to say [08:11.000 --> 08:15.080] I get it fully a to z front to back. I totally get it [08:16.120 --> 08:18.040] and [08:18.040 --> 08:20.200] You're aware [08:20.200 --> 08:24.520] Our society for so long has been into diets, right? [08:25.240 --> 08:27.400] every kind of diet under the sun and [08:27.960 --> 08:31.800] Most people they get on it as a transitory attempt to lose weight [08:32.740 --> 08:38.200] Sometimes they do but because it's the diet mentality. They rarely keep the weight off [08:39.000 --> 08:44.760] And what I wanted to do was not talk about the keto diet what I I didn't want to talk about the carnivore [08:44.840 --> 08:46.280] I don't understand [08:46.280 --> 08:49.800] What I wanted to do is explain to people how their human physiology [08:50.420 --> 08:52.120] actually works [08:52.120 --> 08:58.760] Rather than the misinformation and disinformation. They've been fed by the establishment for the last 50 or 60 years [08:59.000 --> 09:05.800] They're the same thing in income tax shattering the mist. I want them to completely understand that the establishment narrative is [09:06.280 --> 09:07.480] false [09:07.480 --> 09:12.520] um in this case i'm we're dealing with human physiology and I don't know about you casey, but [09:12.520 --> 09:14.520] I [09:16.600 --> 09:17.880] I'm [09:17.880 --> 09:23.000] I don't like the word offended especially in 2022 because so many people are so offended about everything, right? [09:23.400 --> 09:27.720] Um, but but it offends my sense of of what is right and just [09:28.520 --> 09:36.600] That the establishment has been misleading people intentionally for the sake of trillion dollar industries has been misleading [09:37.160 --> 09:41.800] People especially here in the united states and to a lesser extent in the western society period [09:42.200 --> 09:46.840] Has been misleading us about human physiology. I mean, it's like this is science, okay [09:47.240 --> 09:49.140] How dare you? [09:49.140 --> 09:51.140] misrepresent to [09:51.320 --> 09:56.600] You know billions and billions of people when we add when we add it all up all the people that are that are reading this [09:56.680 --> 09:58.920] The information that's going how dare you? [09:59.940 --> 10:01.320] uh [10:01.320 --> 10:02.760] mislead [10:02.760 --> 10:04.760] billions of people [10:05.000 --> 10:07.480] for no better reason than the [10:08.260 --> 10:09.640] Industry [10:09.640 --> 10:12.680] Can make trillions of dollars off the lies you're telling [10:13.480 --> 10:18.200] I just when I sat down to read body science, I suppose the underlying thought was [10:19.000 --> 10:24.200] Someone's got to tell the other side someone's got to tell the truth and someone's got to do it in a way that when they [10:24.600 --> 10:26.520] Close the final page [10:26.520 --> 10:33.160] From that day forward everything they see on television and magazines online and so forth everything they see [10:33.720 --> 10:39.080] That talks about a diet or what science just discovered about this or that in the human body [10:40.680 --> 10:43.100] Especially if it involves nutritional physiology [10:43.960 --> 10:47.480] They'll never be fooled again because they actually know how the body really operates [10:47.560 --> 10:52.600] I thought that was critical for anybody who buys my book that they can never be fooled again [10:52.840 --> 10:54.840] And then they have the option [10:55.320 --> 10:59.400] To do about that what they want to do. Yeah. No, I love that and on that note [10:59.400 --> 11:04.360] I was recently listening to an interview that one of my friends did where he was talking to a paleo [11:05.060 --> 11:09.240] Anthropologist who is talking about the evidence that we came from plant-based [11:09.720 --> 11:16.600] People we as humans we have a plant-based narrative and i'm listening to his reasons why he's talking primarily about dentition and teeth [11:16.920 --> 11:20.760] And and it's I hear that and now i've got 10 other questions [11:21.800 --> 11:25.560] That doesn't like wrap things up or check off the boxes when I hear mickey bendor [11:25.640 --> 11:31.000] Dr. Mickey bendor talked about how we evolved it's like, okay, this is why our shoulders are like this [11:31.080 --> 11:34.600] This is why our stomach is this acidic. This is why we have long small intestines [11:34.920 --> 11:42.120] We gave up the ability to digest fiber with a shorter colon. It's like his research checked so many boxes wraps everything up perfectly [11:42.440 --> 11:48.360] It's also like our you know, our mutual friend dave seldman dave seldman's latest study [11:48.840 --> 11:53.560] Checks box after box after box and wraps everything up in a way that's like yeah [11:53.640 --> 11:58.760] I understand that makes a lot of sense to answer so many questions versus again listening to this clown [11:59.000 --> 12:02.920] Talk about how we evolved from plant-based. It's like no now i've got other questions [12:02.920 --> 12:08.760] So I really appreciate that you have that particular style and wanted to tell that particular story [12:08.840 --> 12:11.400] Another thing that I really like when I find something [12:12.120 --> 12:16.040] That I believe in is it stands the test of time [12:16.440 --> 12:22.360] So every year there's not more doubts or more paradoxes or more things that are introduced. It's like it remains [12:23.160 --> 12:27.720] Tested more tested by more people and is more true than it was before so on that note [12:27.800 --> 12:29.800] I told you I was going to ask you this question [12:29.880 --> 12:34.280] Is there anything you would go back to body science and change now that it's been out for a few years? [12:37.640 --> 12:43.320] Interesting you say that because from time to time I will pick up one of my books and i'll start reading and i'll read through [12:43.320 --> 12:45.080] a dozen or 20 pages [12:45.080 --> 12:46.520] um [12:46.520 --> 12:50.840] Just because I think as an author that's a good thing to do go back go back and read before [12:51.240 --> 12:58.680] So i've never read income tax shattering the miss again front to back or body science again front to back but but I do read [12:59.160 --> 13:05.400] Um portions of it from time to time. I just think that's good authorship. It allows me to do my my best job moving forward [13:05.720 --> 13:07.720] I believe um [13:09.400 --> 13:11.400] I think I would change [13:12.120 --> 13:17.320] Nothing materially. Let me be clear about that none of the physiology none of none of the science. Yeah [13:17.320 --> 13:18.920] Um [13:18.920 --> 13:23.480] We all grow and shape well, hopefully we grow and change right and we improve ourselves all the time [13:23.720 --> 13:25.960] So when I read through body science, which was written [13:27.720 --> 13:29.720] Three years ago [13:31.080 --> 13:34.680] There are things I would phrase differently, um [13:36.920 --> 13:42.680] I think you know me well enough to know i'm a pretty straightforward guy. Yeah, and um, you know [13:44.520 --> 13:46.520] There are a few things that I said [13:48.120 --> 13:50.120] Very strongly [13:52.360 --> 13:57.720] That perhaps maybe i'd be a wee bit less direct and a wee bit more tactful [13:58.120 --> 14:03.720] But as far as the science as far as the the what I want people to take away from the book about human physiology [14:03.720 --> 14:05.720] I know I wouldn't change a thing because [14:05.720 --> 14:07.720] It's all science and [14:08.520 --> 14:10.520] Nothing [14:10.680 --> 14:13.320] Nothing has changed about the science. Let me let me say that [14:13.880 --> 14:15.000] Um [14:15.000 --> 14:20.280] I know we've just lived through two years of science seeming to change every couple months, but it really doesn't work that way [14:20.920 --> 14:23.000] so nothing has changed about the science and [14:26.120 --> 14:27.720] Given that these are [14:27.720 --> 14:33.320] Core mechanisms of the body that this is how the body operates. This is how the body functions [14:33.320 --> 14:37.720] This is this is how we take stuff we put in here and it fuels ourselves [14:37.960 --> 14:40.440] I mean it doesn't get more much more fundamental than that [14:41.400 --> 14:48.440] So I would be shocked if anything about human physiology in body science [14:49.400 --> 14:55.240] would ever need to be updated because it all the information is extremely fundamental and [14:56.120 --> 15:01.820] The idea that something that at the core like that that that's fundamental is misunderstood [15:02.680 --> 15:04.680] And by the way, it's not misunderstood [15:04.680 --> 15:09.800] I talk about misinformation and disinformation by the government by large institutions. That's intentional [15:10.200 --> 15:14.440] So they know everything that's in body science. It's it's that's why I said sometimes [15:15.240 --> 15:18.600] Things might appear on their surface controversial, but they're really not [15:19.240 --> 15:20.360] um [15:20.360 --> 15:25.880] All of the government agencies and all of the research institutions and all of the big industry [15:25.960 --> 15:29.560] Their their scientific labs, which are the best money can buy they all know [15:30.120 --> 15:35.720] Everything that's in body science and they all know it's true. So it's it's not controversial in that sense [15:35.800 --> 15:37.800] They just don't want the american people to know about it [15:38.200 --> 15:41.720] Yeah, that's right. No recently I just asked um, amy burger the same question [15:41.800 --> 15:46.840] She's the author of the alzheimer's antidote and about a month ago all of this, you know scammy [15:47.540 --> 15:50.360] Information came out about how we've been, you know [15:50.980 --> 15:53.320] fraudulent information about amyloid plaques and how [15:53.560 --> 15:57.560] Billions of dollars have been shuttled the wrong way for so many years and I asked her the same thing [15:57.560 --> 16:00.200] Like would you go back and change anything in your book now that this has come out? [16:00.200 --> 16:01.240] she's like I [16:01.240 --> 16:06.120] Did this I knew this was going to happen like this was clearly going to happen because she got right from the beginning [16:06.520 --> 16:10.680] And so i'm glad that that's the way you responded and that the science [16:10.840 --> 16:15.240] There's not a 2021 study that came out that proved everything that you did is absolutely not true [16:15.480 --> 16:20.440] The more and more we look at these things the more it's showing that everything you wrote about is true [16:20.840 --> 16:26.060] You talk about these two systems you refer to them as two hemispheres [16:26.520 --> 16:32.120] Um, and we can jump in on whichever one you like. I think I would love to dive into the lymphatic [16:32.440 --> 16:35.800] Uh lipid system and ketosis which you've already mentioned [16:36.120 --> 16:41.480] And maybe we could talk about that system first so that we can then contrast it to the hepatic lipid system [16:41.800 --> 16:45.240] And a word that you have coined called glucose which I absolutely love [16:45.880 --> 16:52.760] Can we talk about how this system works in the body and you know, what what life is like internally for you always living in ketosis? [16:53.640 --> 16:54.760] Sure [16:54.760 --> 17:00.120] First of all, let me give a very brief description of what the lymphatic system is. Well lymphatic lipid system is [17:00.920 --> 17:04.680] Starting with the fact that it is not an accepted medical term. I had to create that [17:05.240 --> 17:11.400] Um again, I talk about there's certain things that that just offend my sense of of what should be right [17:11.960 --> 17:18.360] And one of them is that when you have something that goes from point a from point a to point z [17:18.840 --> 17:20.840] And it's clearly a system [17:21.880 --> 17:25.640] Why hasn't the medical community ever given that system a name? [17:25.640 --> 17:32.600] Well, that's what I found out when when I had to find a name for what is now referred to as lymphatic lipid system now [17:33.560 --> 17:37.800] So I I say that so that if your audience tries to google lymphatic lipid system [17:38.520 --> 17:42.120] And they come up empty other than perhaps getting a link to body science [17:42.600 --> 17:45.960] Um, they they'll they won't wonder why that is [17:46.680 --> 17:50.280] But it is nevertheless a system and readers have have made that observation [17:50.280 --> 17:57.000] They've said by defining the systems of the lymphatic lipid system and the hepatic lipid system was a game changer [17:57.080 --> 17:59.480] They literally people have literally written me and said [18:00.280 --> 18:05.480] The ability to quantify those as a system is a game changer. Yeah. All right, so the [18:06.340 --> 18:08.340] lymphatic lipid system [18:08.600 --> 18:10.200] describes [18:10.200 --> 18:15.320] What happens from the moment you put something that is dietary fat in your mouth? [18:16.280 --> 18:18.280] until the it is [18:19.060 --> 18:21.720] oxidized within the cells for energy [18:22.520 --> 18:28.440] And there's a whole process that goes again from the moment you put something that's dietary fat in your mouth [18:28.760 --> 18:31.960] Until the cells burn it for for energy and i'm not gonna [18:32.600 --> 18:35.320] Let people read body science if they want to understand the entire thing [18:35.720 --> 18:41.720] But I will say this fat remains fat at all times. It's merely emulsified in the intestines then it's [18:42.600 --> 18:43.320] it's [18:43.320 --> 18:44.040] uh [18:44.040 --> 18:49.800] Packaged up with something called a choline micron which it has you know a protein structure that allows it [18:49.800 --> 18:57.720] Just the important part allows the calling my the the structure which contains the fatty acids the emulsified dietary fat [18:58.040 --> 18:59.160] is then [18:59.160 --> 19:05.480] Once it's within this shell which collectively is known as a choline micron, then it's able to transit the intestine wall [19:05.960 --> 19:07.880] into the body [19:07.880 --> 19:11.560] If your audience isn't aware medicine does not consider the intestines [19:12.440 --> 19:14.120] internal part of the body [19:14.120 --> 19:18.360] Uh, if there's a hole at the top and a hole at the bottom and you can drop something in the top and it comes out [19:18.440 --> 19:22.440] The bottom it's not considered internal. It is a pathway through [19:23.080 --> 19:27.160] The body but it is not medically speaking. It's not considered internal to the body [19:27.560 --> 19:32.680] So what happens is once the choline microns trans transit the intestinal wall [19:33.000 --> 19:38.840] They they become inside the body and then they get taken up by lymph fluid the lymphatic system. Hence the name the [19:39.480 --> 19:41.400] lymphatic lipid system [19:41.400 --> 19:45.080] and then they travel in the lymph fluid up up the [19:45.640 --> 19:49.640] Just above the heart and they come out in the thoracic duct and it enters the vascular system [19:50.200 --> 19:56.360] and these choline microns then at that point become like little delivery vans and uh, they [19:57.320 --> 20:02.120] They're they're riding along in the blood and i'm not going to go through the whole, you know [20:02.360 --> 20:05.000] Apo E and apo C and apo 48 and all that stuff [20:05.240 --> 20:09.880] Um, but they they offload their cargo, which is the fatty acids [20:10.360 --> 20:11.800] um, they [20:11.800 --> 20:16.760] Offload the the fatty acids into the hundred trillion cells of your body [20:17.480 --> 20:21.560] When they're done with that the cargo door locks again by exchanging an enzyme [20:22.120 --> 20:24.920] and uh, or excuse me a lipoprotein and then [20:25.720 --> 20:29.880] The color micron goes to the blood system it enters the liver [20:30.600 --> 20:34.360] Where it is recognized by uh, what lipoproteins are present [20:34.360 --> 20:38.680] What lipoproteins are not as something that needs to be recycled or removed from the body [20:39.000 --> 20:42.600] And it's broken down and the whole process begins again the next time you eat [20:43.080 --> 20:48.120] Some form of dietary fat that that is essentially the short version of the lymphatic lipid system [20:48.120 --> 20:50.440] Did I leave anything out casey? No, I don't [20:51.080 --> 20:54.520] I I don't think so, but I do want to reiterate a point that you've mentioned earlier [20:54.520 --> 20:57.560] We talked about this last time. I think this is so critical [20:57.880 --> 21:02.520] The fact that is delivered by the chylomicron is burned [21:03.160 --> 21:09.240] Period it's not stored in long-term storage the way most people think when they eat a ton of fat [21:09.480 --> 21:12.200] That they're just going to gain a bunch of fat. Is that correct? [21:13.080 --> 21:15.080] Yes, there's let me go a step further [21:15.560 --> 21:17.880] There is no mechanism in the body [21:18.680 --> 21:19.720] Zero [21:19.720 --> 21:21.720] It doesn't exist [21:21.800 --> 21:26.700] To take fatty acids triglycerides that are within the shell called the chylomicron [21:27.400 --> 21:28.280] and [21:28.280 --> 21:33.960] Do anything other than oxidize them for energy in the mitochondria of the hundred trillion cells of your body? [21:34.120 --> 21:36.120] There is no other mechanism [21:36.920 --> 21:38.920] As an example the chylomicrons [21:40.820 --> 21:44.920] Biochemically speaking they cannot return to the liver [21:45.880 --> 21:47.880] Until they've offloaded their cargo [21:48.520 --> 21:52.040] And there's only one place in one place only they can offload their cargo [21:52.200 --> 21:58.440] That is into the hundred trillion cells of your body where it is oxidized. There is no storage [21:59.060 --> 22:00.360] mechanism [22:00.360 --> 22:08.140] For the process of fatty acids being delivered as part of the lymphatic lipid system. There is no storage mechanism [22:09.100 --> 22:10.140] Wow, wow [22:10.140 --> 22:14.540] So I can eat more fat but I would just have more fat energy being delivered [22:14.860 --> 22:19.180] Thus I might have more energy and might actually feel better [22:21.260 --> 22:22.860] There's probably [22:22.860 --> 22:26.620] i'm not aware of anyone who's done the test of i'm going to eat an [22:27.260 --> 22:32.220] Absolute absolutely obsessive amount of fat and then i'm going to have various blood tests run [22:32.940 --> 22:34.700] but I imagine [22:34.700 --> 22:39.740] What you would see with a diet that has an insane unhealthy amount of dietary fat [22:40.140 --> 22:43.580] Would be the triglycerides would simply be high that which [22:44.700 --> 22:49.900] Is definitely a negative thing. You don't want high triglycerides, but that would probably be [22:50.940 --> 22:54.540] If I could phrase it this way the worst of it. Yeah, gotcha [22:55.020 --> 23:01.980] And one of the paradoxes in dave feldman's study when people do reduce their carbohydrates is we do see the triglycerides reduced [23:01.980 --> 23:06.780] Which is really counterintuitive you think they would go up and maybe they do in a very transitory period [23:06.940 --> 23:12.860] But they end up dropping off because we're using all of that energy. I think it's super interesting [23:12.940 --> 23:14.940] Where do ketones fit into all of this? [23:16.140 --> 23:18.140] Okay [23:18.460 --> 23:19.900] So [23:19.900 --> 23:23.180] The existence of ketones and the use of ketones by the human body [23:23.660 --> 23:28.160] Is the the core of the genus of the the etymology of the word ketosis? [23:29.260 --> 23:30.220] um [23:30.220 --> 23:36.460] And which was first coined someplace around 1920. It's in body science right right in that year 1920 [23:36.460 --> 23:38.460] It's the first time somebody coined that phrase [23:39.020 --> 23:41.020] um [23:43.980 --> 23:47.980] What exactly just hang on what exactly did you want me to speak to [23:48.620 --> 23:50.380] i'm trying to make sure that I [23:50.380 --> 23:54.380] There's so much there's so much information. I know I know no, I really appreciate it [23:54.380 --> 24:00.060] Just how when when when the cells are receiving all of this fat and they're oxidizing this fat as energy [24:00.380 --> 24:07.180] That's when we see ketones being produced. Is that correct? And if so, what what is our body using those for what do they do? [24:07.900 --> 24:10.140] Okay, when the body shifts into ketosis [24:10.780 --> 24:12.780] the [24:13.020 --> 24:15.020] Largest component that's being burned [24:15.260 --> 24:19.980] Uh for energy within the hundred trillion cells in the body is fatty acids not ketones [24:20.620 --> 24:22.300] however [24:22.300 --> 24:25.500] When a body is in ketosis ketones are absolutely [24:26.680 --> 24:31.260] Essential because the brain the fatty acids cannot [24:32.380 --> 24:33.820] move through [24:33.820 --> 24:35.820] the blood brain barrier [24:36.440 --> 24:41.740] Ketones can't yeah. So what happens is the fatty acids arrive in the liver [24:42.460 --> 24:46.300] the liver converts them a percentage of them into [24:46.780 --> 24:49.180] Various ketones are collectively known as ketone bodies [24:49.740 --> 24:53.420] Uh, the public is causing ketones and then those ketones [24:54.860 --> 25:02.620] Much like the collide microns they write in the blood but they are able to permeate the blood vein there the blood brain barrier [25:03.020 --> 25:04.380] um, and [25:04.380 --> 25:06.540] Yeah, yeah, that's a tongue twister. And so [25:07.260 --> 25:09.260] all of the cells of your brains [25:10.300 --> 25:12.300] use ketones [25:12.300 --> 25:16.620] Not fatty acids now the all cells other than the brains [25:17.100 --> 25:20.780] They burn depending on whose estimates you believe are most accurate [25:21.100 --> 25:28.700] Um, either 90 fatty acids and 10 ketones or 85 fatty acids and 15 ketones. That's our our normal [25:29.180 --> 25:32.060] Everyday cells throughout our body, but the brain burns [25:32.760 --> 25:34.760] exclusively ketones for energy [25:34.940 --> 25:42.620] Yeah, and and we've learned over time that the brain places like the brain to heart they much prefer running on the ketones [25:43.420 --> 25:45.420] Than they do running on glucose. Is that correct? [25:46.360 --> 25:49.980] Absolutely, uh the way I often characterize it is [25:51.020 --> 25:52.780] that [25:52.780 --> 25:56.480] Glucose which is what the brain runs on when a person is in glucosis [25:57.660 --> 26:03.020] It's like diesel fuel. It's smelly and it's greasy. It's oily and it's not [26:03.580 --> 26:06.060] It's not as refined as some other types of fuel [26:06.760 --> 26:08.760] ketones are [26:08.860 --> 26:10.540] dragster fuel [26:10.620 --> 26:14.780] Got it in comparison to how how it is perceived by by the brain cells [26:15.260 --> 26:21.280] Got it. Okay, and and that that manifests itself in the fact that virtually everybody who chooses to live in ketosis [26:22.780 --> 26:26.460] Usually within like two or three weeks after making the shift [26:27.180 --> 26:29.100] they report [26:29.100 --> 26:31.100] an astounding phenomenon of [26:31.880 --> 26:33.880] additional brain clarity [26:34.460 --> 26:40.060] Suddenly everything makes more sense things that didn't make sense do make sense. Suddenly they [26:40.620 --> 26:42.620] They can focus more [26:43.420 --> 26:45.980] Intently on things like for instance when they're studying [26:46.700 --> 26:53.900] And that's because that's the reaction of the brain when it clears out all of the garbage from having to burn glucose [26:54.540 --> 26:58.220] and begins now burning pristine ketones, that's [26:59.260 --> 27:02.860] Why people talk about dramatic brain clarity increase? [27:03.340 --> 27:06.940] Yeah, i'm glad you brought that up. This reminds me of a recent podcast that you did [27:07.260 --> 27:11.420] Uh, maybe just a good time to talk about this. I thought this was fantastic and anecdotally [27:11.500 --> 27:15.920] I see this all the time when people start eating in a way that puts them into ketosis [27:16.380 --> 27:20.300] You you write about things that make people angry sometimes [27:21.180 --> 27:26.700] You talk about politics and finances and and there can be a lot of passion and emotion behind these things [27:26.940 --> 27:32.380] But you talk about the way that you used to do things versus the way you do things now and there's a vast [27:32.780 --> 27:38.140] Difference and I find that so fascinating and again anecdotally I see it all the time. Can you comment on that? [27:39.260 --> 27:41.260] sure, um [27:41.260 --> 27:43.420] what Casey is referring to is I [27:44.140 --> 27:46.940] Was sort of put me on the social media map at one time [27:47.500 --> 27:54.060] Was I used to do these things called angry truck ranch and we know today a lot of people do shoot videos in their vehicles [27:54.140 --> 27:57.420] but when I first started doing that it was incredibly rare and [27:58.140 --> 28:00.460] Something would just inflame me [28:01.180 --> 28:04.620] Some political event or some act of mass violence something like that [28:05.100 --> 28:08.380] And I would sit in my truck and I would have the cell phone up on the dashboard [28:08.780 --> 28:12.540] And I would I would get into the subject and i'd start talking and I get lit [28:12.860 --> 28:16.860] And I get more emotional and by the end i'd be screaming and yelling [28:18.220 --> 28:20.060] And um [28:20.060 --> 28:22.720] As I said in the video you're referencing it was pretty cathartic [28:23.180 --> 28:28.140] Um to get that out like that because of course we're not allowed to be angry in our current society [28:28.620 --> 28:32.380] So being able to sit there and vent that um was pretty cathartic [28:32.940 --> 28:35.820] But and it's like one of them was seen by [28:36.760 --> 28:41.340] 1.7 million people on facebook and it was actually featured on the on the drudge report [28:41.420 --> 28:44.220] That's how popular those truck rants were back in the day [28:45.180 --> 28:46.860] so [28:46.860 --> 28:53.260] People still pine away for those I guess comments on social media all the time. Well, this would be a great subject for a truck ramp [28:53.740 --> 28:55.740] um [28:55.740 --> 28:56.940] but [28:57.020 --> 28:59.020] That level of [29:00.440 --> 29:02.440] Emotional response [29:03.660 --> 29:06.940] Since i've gone since i've been living in ketosis, that's just not there anymore [29:07.420 --> 29:11.360] Um, I I still have the same exact intellectual understanding [29:12.060 --> 29:16.960] Of these type of of events when I see them. I still hold the same viewpoint [29:17.820 --> 29:19.020] I still [29:19.020 --> 29:21.020] feel the same [29:21.980 --> 29:23.180] Angst [29:23.180 --> 29:26.940] Um to an extent when I see innocent people being harmed and things like that [29:27.740 --> 29:30.140] when I see politicians trying to [29:31.580 --> 29:36.700] Under the guise of helping they're actually harming. Uh, these things still make me [29:37.980 --> 29:39.980] very unhappy [29:41.260 --> 29:42.940] But [29:42.940 --> 29:47.340] That sense of anger that I vented in those truck rants [29:48.140 --> 29:51.020] It's just not there anymore. If I were to do a truck rant today [29:51.100 --> 29:56.860] I mean never say never right, but if I were to do a truck rant today, I my supposition as I sit here [29:57.340 --> 30:00.540] Is that that kind of anger I would have to contrive it because I just don't [30:01.020 --> 30:06.140] I just don't feel it like I did then and the only difference between that and now is [30:06.460 --> 30:08.720] I was in glucose and now i'm in ketosis [30:09.260 --> 30:10.860] And to take it a step further [30:10.860 --> 30:16.300] I would say that and I know that this may be difficult for people to grasp if they haven't read body science [30:17.020 --> 30:19.020] That my body was unhealthy [30:19.260 --> 30:22.220] And I think that has an emotional impact [30:23.100 --> 30:29.980] And now living in ketosis my body is healthy and happy. It's being fed the way it's being genetically coded to be fed [30:30.540 --> 30:35.180] so I think it all that also has an effect on the emotional component and [30:36.540 --> 30:37.580] I just [30:37.580 --> 30:39.260] I still want to affect change [30:39.260 --> 30:44.860] And I I still want innocent people not to be harmed and I still want politicians to shut the fuck up when they're saying things [30:45.100 --> 30:47.100] That are disingenuous and harmful [30:47.500 --> 30:49.500] Uh, but I just [30:49.500 --> 30:51.820] I can't imagine doing an angry truck rant anymore [30:52.140 --> 30:56.620] Yeah, you know much much to the disappointment of many people who've been following me for years. That's right [30:56.780 --> 30:57.580] Yeah, that's right [30:57.580 --> 31:02.140] And I only know the dave from 2021 who was kind enough to send me his book [31:02.460 --> 31:07.180] I I only know that one and you and I have been able to talk on our interviews and offline [31:07.420 --> 31:10.140] And you're a super friendly guy consider you one of my friends [31:10.140 --> 31:14.700] You're very balanced and we get to talk about different opinions and and and I see that in you [31:15.100 --> 31:20.460] And I see that in other people when when they switch over so I I really appreciate you commenting on that [31:21.180 --> 31:24.140] Okay, so so what what are the downsides? [31:24.860 --> 31:27.900] What is there is there something that blows up or goes bad? [31:28.780 --> 31:34.620] Does you know the extra fat mean more cholesterol in the arteries and that's going to clog it up before running this system [31:34.860 --> 31:37.340] Are there any downsides is something else going to go wrong? [31:37.340 --> 31:39.340] I [31:41.900 --> 31:43.420] Want to be uh [31:43.420 --> 31:45.420] Cautious how I how I respond to this [31:46.700 --> 31:52.860] I say in body science that when your body is functioning in ketosis, in other words the way it's genetically coded to function [31:53.740 --> 31:55.740] Your body will never produce [31:55.820 --> 31:58.380] barring some sort of genetic abnormality [31:59.580 --> 32:01.580] A person who is genetically healthy [32:01.900 --> 32:07.340] And they're living in ketosis their body will never produce any substance in any quantity that is unhealthy or harmful [32:08.620 --> 32:12.700] I think that's just a very very important premise for people to understand [32:13.260 --> 32:17.100] When in glucose the body will do all sorts of crazy stuff. That's unhealthy [32:17.820 --> 32:19.820] Trying to compensate [32:19.900 --> 32:23.580] Um, but in ketosis it doesn't do that. There's no need for that [32:23.900 --> 32:29.980] So everything every substance that your body creates when you're in ketosis is going to be in the exact [32:30.220 --> 32:33.500] Correct amount that your body needs and wants to be healthy [32:34.220 --> 32:36.720] I say I bring that up because you mentioned cholesterol [32:37.740 --> 32:39.740] And of course, I I think the truth [32:40.940 --> 32:46.940] Even in kind of mainstream circles. I think the truth is starting to be understood that the whole [32:47.960 --> 32:50.460] Cholesterol narrative was nonsense from the start [32:51.260 --> 32:55.340] Uh, it was never it was never a cholesterol that was really the issue [32:56.060 --> 33:03.900] The issue is primarily triglycerides and the only time that cholesterol comes into play in the sense of being unhelpful [33:04.540 --> 33:11.740] Is if you have a condition where your triglycerides are high where you have something like metabolic syndrome [33:12.620 --> 33:16.780] Then high ldl can be a problem, but it's not the ldl [33:17.900 --> 33:21.100] If your triglycerides are low and your ldl is high [33:21.980 --> 33:28.140] That there is no science I think this is really important for your viewers to understand there is no science anywhere [33:29.420 --> 33:32.620] All the stuff all the research billions of dollars in research on cholesterol [33:33.420 --> 33:39.260] There is not one bit of science that says if your triglycerides are low and healthy that high ldl is [33:39.800 --> 33:45.500] Disadvantages or unhealthy in any way now i'll share my personal numbers with you if you don't like [33:46.300 --> 33:49.660] Haven't had them done in a handful of months, but the last time I had them done. Um, [33:51.820 --> 33:55.260] I think my triglycerides were 70 [33:56.300 --> 33:57.980] my [33:57.980 --> 34:04.220] Um hdl which is oftentimes referred to as good cholesterol. There's no good cholesterol. There's no bad cholesterol [34:04.300 --> 34:06.780] Each type of cholesterol has it has its job function [34:07.420 --> 34:13.980] Um, that's one of the things another thing. I like people to understand these things all are created by the body because they serve a function [34:14.700 --> 34:15.820] so [34:15.820 --> 34:20.060] Yeah, my hdl was I think 56 and my ldl [34:21.960 --> 34:25.900] 171 which of course if I was in [34:26.520 --> 34:31.600] Glucosis and if I was sitting with a doctor a cardiologist who didn't understand ketosis [34:32.000 --> 34:36.960] Didn't hadn't done the latest research. Uh hadn't viewed the latest research on cholesterol [34:37.520 --> 34:41.520] When I told him 171 he'd probably fall out of his chair in shock, you know [34:41.680 --> 34:45.520] There's gotta be yeah, you need some statins right away before you leave my office. Here's the step [34:46.180 --> 34:52.260] Um, which is absolute nonsense so but here's the thing you obviously are familiar with remnant cholesterol [34:53.700 --> 34:54.980] Okay, so [34:54.980 --> 35:00.420] Remnant cholesterol for for anyone including medical doctors who actually keeps up on the research [35:01.220 --> 35:03.700] Shocking how many doctors even cardiologists don't? [35:04.580 --> 35:06.820] but remnant cholesterol is [35:07.540 --> 35:11.780] Really the the if there if there is a true indicator of potential [35:12.520 --> 35:16.520] Heart disease it's going to be found in remnant cholesterol and remnant cholesterol [35:17.320 --> 35:19.320] anything above 20 is [35:19.400 --> 35:23.880] Um almost certainly problematic and you you want to be looking at what the causes are of that [35:24.680 --> 35:27.480] The lower down you get from 20 [35:28.360 --> 35:34.360] The healthier you are and the less chance of heart disease because everybody has a chance of heart disease [35:36.440 --> 35:41.560] Especially, you know genetically speaking some people are more predisposed. That's another great thing about ketosis [35:41.800 --> 35:48.440] You can take that perhaps genetic predisposition and on the whole discount it once your body's operating in ketosis now [35:49.320 --> 35:51.320] um [35:52.360 --> 35:55.800] When your cholesterol is high in ketosis [35:57.720 --> 36:00.200] It means one thing and one thing only [36:01.320 --> 36:04.760] And that is that is the correct level of LDL cholesterol [36:06.200 --> 36:08.200] For your body to be healthy [36:08.540 --> 36:11.100] So and I try I try and tell people all the time [36:11.260 --> 36:15.180] Especially people in the medical community who who have never looked at these issues [36:15.580 --> 36:20.140] I tell them the the rules and the numbers that apply to glucoses [36:21.820 --> 36:28.940] On the whole overwhelming have absolutely no application to a body in ketosis. So when we talk about high cholesterol [36:29.980 --> 36:32.300] Um, that's always LDL no [36:33.020 --> 36:37.020] No one's concerned about high HDL until it gets gets over 60 [36:37.280 --> 36:39.440] Then perhaps perhaps it's problematic [36:39.840 --> 36:46.720] Um, anyway, so it's always LDL cholesterol that they talk about is problematic. And as I said before there's absolutely no evidence [36:46.960 --> 36:49.680] Absent high triglycerides and high LDL [36:50.160 --> 36:55.680] Uh is problematic or unhealthy in any way in ketosis. That's true in spades [36:56.160 --> 36:58.080] um, there are people [36:58.080 --> 36:59.840] who literally [36:59.840 --> 37:01.120] have [37:01.120 --> 37:06.800] LDL numbers coming in in the 500 in ketosis who their LDL is coming in in the 500s [37:07.120 --> 37:09.120] but [37:10.320 --> 37:15.600] Their remnant cholesterol is like 11 mine's 13. Okay [37:16.000 --> 37:20.240] Um, so they're yeah and remnant cholesterol is the the lower guy [37:21.280 --> 37:24.880] 11 is the lowest i've ever heard of i'm not saying it's the lowest out there [37:25.360 --> 37:30.240] But it's the lowest that i've ever had somebody say here. Here's my remnant cholesterol numbers is 11 [37:30.720 --> 37:32.720] um [37:32.980 --> 37:39.140] Once you get under about 15 you're doing great and the important thing to keep in mind sort of [37:39.620 --> 37:41.780] As a i'm going to say a hard and fast rule [37:42.340 --> 37:44.340] If your remnant cholesterol [37:44.420 --> 37:47.700] Is under 20 most especially under 15 [37:50.100 --> 37:55.140] There should be not a care in the world where your LDL comes in yeah, provided your triglycerides are not high [37:55.620 --> 37:56.580] Yeah [37:56.600 --> 38:02.600] High triglycerides are always a problem. There is never a time when high triglycerides [38:03.160 --> 38:06.600] Does not indicate there's a problem. Yeah, so totally agree [38:06.680 --> 38:11.480] I love that explanation and just to kind of wrap this up you dedicate a whole chapter of your book to this [38:11.880 --> 38:16.040] Since we coined the term ketosis and ketogenesis in like the 1920s [38:16.680 --> 38:23.400] Is this system something that evolved with us in just the last hundred years since we we found out that people could eat [38:23.420 --> 38:30.220] Ketogenic diets for epilepsy or is this maybe something that goes back slightly further than that a little bit further [38:32.780 --> 38:36.940] Leaving aside the nonsense you were talking about from some gentleman that [38:38.140 --> 38:39.820] ancient man was [38:39.820 --> 38:42.220] Plant-based no ancient man ate [38:43.020 --> 38:46.300] Was was preferentially a carnivore [38:46.720 --> 38:47.920] Uh [38:47.920 --> 38:55.680] We are fortunate in that our bodies have some mechanisms that allow us to consume things other than animal flesh and and [38:56.960 --> 39:00.080] To digest those and to process that however [39:00.880 --> 39:02.880] for millions of years [39:03.920 --> 39:05.920] our ancient ancestors [39:06.160 --> 39:11.840] They killed an eight gay their diet was animal flesh period end of statement [39:12.260 --> 39:19.860] Uh now what happened was about 12 000 years ago, we entered into what historians called the first agricultural [39:20.460 --> 39:21.940] revolution [39:21.940 --> 39:25.380] and that was when the very first [39:26.260 --> 39:31.300] farms and they were few and far between they were almost unheard of but [39:32.100 --> 39:35.460] When anthropologists go back and they look at the record [39:36.040 --> 39:43.000] We can tell that right around 12 000 years ago was the first time farming in a very small scale, uh began [39:44.840 --> 39:51.320] And it continued for a significant period of time growing slowly slowly slowly slowly slowly and [39:53.640 --> 39:56.920] It didn't have a great impact yes that people [39:57.560 --> 40:02.040] Tended out to be nomadic anymore and they were they started to do a little bit of [40:02.540 --> 40:07.020] Farming and that kind of kept them in one place, but on the whole they still lived off of animal flesh [40:07.900 --> 40:15.340] Then right around the 1600s. We have the beginning of something called the second agricultural revolution and that was from the 16 mid 1600s to [40:16.380 --> 40:18.380] early 1800s [40:19.020 --> 40:24.380] And that was when for whatever reason, um mankind started [40:25.580 --> 40:30.140] Created a whole bunch of improvements all at different places of the world within that time frame [40:31.120 --> 40:34.240] In how to engage in farming and agriculture [40:35.040 --> 40:36.160] and [40:36.160 --> 40:40.800] With that suddenly came a dramatic shift in diet [40:42.160 --> 40:46.560] for instance, uh wheat production in the early 1800s thanks to the [40:47.280 --> 40:49.520] Inventions of the second agricultural revolution [40:50.400 --> 40:54.720] literally almost doubled the bushels for a per acre of grain now [40:55.460 --> 41:00.740] If if one thinks that you know whole grains are great, then that would have been a fabulous thing [41:01.220 --> 41:08.020] Um, but the point is whether we're talking about, you know potatoes in ireland whether we're talking about grain in the midwest [41:08.900 --> 41:12.660] It was a dramatic shift in how mankind had eaten [41:13.060 --> 41:16.900] And it really started gaining traction about the mid 1600s [41:16.900 --> 41:21.460] and of course, we know we that there's this very rapid arc of change and [41:22.360 --> 41:26.200] When I wrote body science, which I began writing it in 2018 [41:27.160 --> 41:31.800] The average american's diet was 50 percent carbohydrates [41:33.640 --> 41:40.200] During the right time of year, um when fruits and vegetables and things out in nature say, you know [41:41.240 --> 41:43.240] 80 000 years ago [41:43.240 --> 41:50.280] When ancient man would stumble upon a fruit tree for something that had seeds or nuts that he knew were edible [41:51.880 --> 41:56.920] Which would have been rare well I talked about why that was rare in body science [41:57.640 --> 42:01.960] Perhaps on that day his carbohydrate intake might have been two or three percent [42:02.520 --> 42:05.400] Okay, um on most days his carbohydrate [42:06.040 --> 42:08.040] Intake would have been very close to zero [42:08.760 --> 42:12.520] And so as far as the timeline of history and humans [42:15.160 --> 42:20.760] In the snap of the finger we went from one percent two percent three percent carbs in a given day to 50 percent [42:21.640 --> 42:27.640] Yeah, and that is why the united states is the most chronically ill society in all of human history [42:27.640 --> 42:33.000] Despite our immense wealth despite our technology to spark despite our advances in science [42:33.640 --> 42:37.080] americans are the most ill society in human history and [42:37.800 --> 42:39.800] I don't know if you saw the story the other day [42:40.680 --> 42:45.560] More americans are buying snack foods by far dramatic increase in the last [42:46.520 --> 42:48.920] 18 months than ever before in history [42:49.420 --> 42:51.420] Wow, isn't that good? [42:51.500 --> 42:53.500] Wow, yeah, that's great [42:53.580 --> 42:57.900] I know that's true when I go on my walks on the morning and pick up trash around my neighborhood [42:58.140 --> 43:05.020] The packages for snacks are everywhere. They're everywhere. It's like why can't your kid go play on the playground without these 100 calorie [43:05.340 --> 43:10.300] Snack packs that are full of carbohydrates and sugar like they don't need that. It's insane. So anecdotally [43:10.380 --> 43:12.380] I can tell you you're absolutely true [43:12.700 --> 43:15.500] This is now a great time to talk about [43:15.840 --> 43:20.240] Glucosis which is another word you had to come up with and the hepatic lipid system [43:20.400 --> 43:27.440] Can we talk about this other hemisphere this other way of you know using energy and and creating energy in the body? [43:28.160 --> 43:30.080] you bet [43:30.080 --> 43:37.280] As case you just shared with you there are two hemispheres in terms of how to fuel the hundred trillion cells of the human body [43:38.000 --> 43:43.360] One we've talked about which is ketosis and the other one is where the hundred trillion cells burn [43:44.140 --> 43:46.140] Glucose and [43:46.180 --> 43:50.420] One of the things that was shocking to me when I was writing body science was to find [43:51.140 --> 43:53.940] That science had there's only two methods [43:55.060 --> 43:57.060] science had named one [43:58.340 --> 44:01.620] But nothing for the other and and what made it more bizarre [44:01.620 --> 44:08.300] Is that probably ninety nine point five percent of the human race is living in this condition where their cells burn glucose for energy? [44:08.860 --> 44:10.980] Yet that system didn't have a name. So [44:11.520 --> 44:18.380] As ketones we call it ketosis. I looked at glucose and I said, okay, so we're gonna call this glucose and so [44:19.120 --> 44:21.800] much like hepatic lipid system and so I [44:22.080 --> 44:30.800] Actually had to create a name to describe a system that the medical community had just left unnamed for some very odd reason. Okay, so [44:32.600 --> 44:34.240] The [44:34.240 --> 44:40.220] Glucoses the cells are burning glucose for energy and as we hinted at a little bit ago when we were discussing the brain [44:41.080 --> 44:47.560] Glucose is a horrible source of energy. It's it's dirty fuel is a good way to phrase that and [44:50.440 --> 44:52.760] One of the things that I find knowing what I know [44:53.720 --> 44:59.960] just incredibly bizarre is that the entirety of the [45:00.480 --> 45:03.080] medical community of the medical research community of [45:04.800 --> 45:06.800] Physiologists and so forth [45:07.060 --> 45:14.140] They will tell you that burning glucose is the intended method for human beings to fuel ourselves [45:16.740 --> 45:19.460] Which it is it's so [45:20.420 --> 45:24.220] Incredibly bizarre when you look at the history of mankind is very clear that [45:25.140 --> 45:31.940] With a few exceptions such as people living in the Amazon rainforest and things like that which are talking about little tiny other than that [45:32.720 --> 45:39.040] For millions of years every single human born was living from birth till the day he died in [45:40.040 --> 45:41.120] ketosis [45:41.120 --> 45:45.760] so to claim that for millions and millions of years humankind existed in a state of [45:46.360 --> 45:48.080] ketosis [45:48.080 --> 45:54.600] But somehow burning glucose is the natural way of things is just a bizarre claim [45:54.600 --> 45:57.640] and I think the point I want to make to your audience is [45:58.140 --> 46:00.380] I'm going to go out on a limb and say [46:00.940 --> 46:03.980] Close to a hundred percent of people who consider themselves [46:04.300 --> 46:10.300] Knowledgeable in these matters say that glucose is the natural intended method of fueling the cells. It's just incredibly these are [46:11.340 --> 46:13.340] And it shows [46:13.340 --> 46:16.460] that perhaps we should not always trust people who have [46:17.500 --> 46:20.060] Certificates on the wall and diplomas on the wall [46:20.940 --> 46:24.940] That perhaps we should look into things ourselves and use our own brain housing in it. So [46:25.360 --> 46:27.840] Glucose is interesting in the fact that [46:28.480 --> 46:32.400] especially today when again people are eating so many carbs and [46:32.880 --> 46:38.880] most of those carbs are coming from processed foods and so they're very they're high high glycemic and [46:40.240 --> 46:45.680] What I don't know if people are aware of this because of course since since everybody who's in the establishment [46:45.680 --> 46:49.840] Says burning glucose is the normal correct and healthy thing for the body to do [46:49.840 --> 46:51.840] I don't know how many people are aware of this [46:51.860 --> 46:56.660] That high blood glucose levels are injurious to the tissues in the organs of body [46:57.460 --> 46:58.420] Okay [46:58.420 --> 47:03.220] This is what kills type 1 diabetics. Okay, if they didn't have access to insulin, right? [47:04.020 --> 47:09.140] They can they can never bring that they can never bring their blood sugar level back down [47:09.940 --> 47:11.940] And it eventually destroys their organs [47:12.580 --> 47:16.820] That's what killed type 1 diabetics before we had synthetic insulin [47:17.160 --> 47:20.360] Kill type 1 diabetics before we had synthetic insulin [47:22.240 --> 47:24.240] But yet [47:24.440 --> 47:28.920] We drive our glucose up time and time and time and time again [47:30.200 --> 47:35.460] Multiple times a day and of course then insulin has to be produced and insulin has its own issues [47:35.460 --> 47:37.460] Which if we have time we can get into that as well [47:37.460 --> 47:41.740] But I did make a short list if you don't mind me reading it because it's relevant to this [47:42.840 --> 47:44.840] These are the conditions [47:44.860 --> 47:49.540] And illness brought on by high blood glucose levels as [47:50.140 --> 47:53.260] Acknowledged by the mainstream medical community. Okay [47:54.180 --> 48:00.780] Heart disease cognitive decline bone and joint problems kidney disease sexual dysfunction depression stroke nerve damage [48:01.100 --> 48:07.860] Vaginal and skin diseases eye damage ear infections mouth injuries urinal tract infections respiratory infections [48:08.420 --> 48:10.420] What are we just live? What did we just live through? [48:11.160 --> 48:14.560] Yeast infections and stomach and intestinal problems [48:14.760 --> 48:20.580] Those are the medical conditions and diseases that are caused by high glucose levels in the blood as [48:21.200 --> 48:23.520] Acknowledged by the mainstream medical community [48:24.320 --> 48:31.520] So yes high blood glucose is a problem and Americans spike it up again and again and again and again and again all [48:32.280 --> 48:35.080] Day long so the body has to get rid of that [48:35.600 --> 48:38.560] There's a couple of ways it does that the first way that it does that is [48:38.780 --> 48:44.520] Is through the pancreas excreting insulin and what insulin does is it? [48:46.300 --> 48:48.300] Will do the simple version [48:49.820 --> 48:56.660] It burns out the the the glucose we'll phrase it that way but what it really does in a physiological sense is [48:56.980 --> 48:59.140] It instructs the liver [49:00.380 --> 49:04.240] To begin converting the glucose that passes through the liver in the blood [49:05.220 --> 49:11.820] Into triglycerides now we've heard that name earlier today when we're talking about the color microns in the lymphatic lipid system and they contain [49:11.980 --> 49:13.660] triglycerides [49:13.660 --> 49:18.000] You very wisely asked me to point out that there is no storage mechanism [49:18.420 --> 49:23.340] In the lymphatic lip lipid system concerning triglycerides. The exact opposite is true [49:24.100 --> 49:31.120] When the liver converts excess blood sugar, that's the key excess blood sugar into triglycerides [49:32.060 --> 49:36.940] It packages them up in something called VLDL, right which is like an HDL LDL [49:36.940 --> 49:39.060] It's part of the lipoprotein family [49:39.740 --> 49:44.820] Packages up this triglycerides in the VLDL and start jettisoning them out into the bloodstream [49:45.540 --> 49:48.260] So these VLDL is they're circulating in the bloodstream [49:49.180 --> 49:50.740] now if [49:50.740 --> 49:53.700] Your cells are burning glucose for energy [49:54.660 --> 49:57.100] How much need do they have for triglycerides? [49:57.800 --> 50:03.400] Now in ketosis they love triglycerides, right but in [50:04.360 --> 50:05.760] glucoses [50:05.760 --> 50:09.280] Your cells are burning glucose. We're gonna get into why that is in a minute [50:10.080 --> 50:12.080] But because they're burning glucose [50:12.560 --> 50:20.480] Why do they care about the triglycerides which triglycerides anytime you hear that word just think equals energy triglycerides energy fatty acids energy. Okay [50:21.640 --> 50:26.280] So these VLDLs are circulating and they they've got to get they they must [50:27.720 --> 50:33.880] Physiologically, they must get rid of the the triglycerides and return to the end the VLDLs [50:33.880 --> 50:40.440] Which are no longer VLDLs at that point. They're IDLs and LDLs. They have to return to the liver empty [50:41.720 --> 50:44.960] But the cells don't want the triglycerides [50:46.920 --> 50:50.720] The only place for the VLDL to offload the [50:51.600 --> 50:55.920] Triglycerides is into your adipose fatty tissues [50:56.420 --> 50:58.420] The white fat cells of your body [50:58.820 --> 51:04.220] When you look at somebody you're walking through the grocery store and you look at somebody who's got rolls of fat [51:05.180 --> 51:08.220] those rolls you're seeing they are comprised of [51:09.780 --> 51:13.180] Enlarged white fat cells and [51:14.420 --> 51:18.980] That's where the VLDL deposits the triglycerides [51:19.280 --> 51:24.920] So the more is that you the more carbohydrates you eat which creates higher glucose the more [51:25.400 --> 51:29.160] The liver needs to keep packaging this up at an ever-increasing rate [51:30.120 --> 51:34.600] Putting them out of the blood but there's nowhere to put them because the cells are burning glucose [51:35.320 --> 51:37.320] So it goes into the white fat cells [51:39.320 --> 51:40.920] We talked about Gary Tavis a moment ago [51:40.920 --> 51:48.200] He and I quote him in the book where he says if obesity is an increase in storing fat cells [51:48.540 --> 51:54.700] What is the mechanism that causes our bodies to store fat? Well, you just heard it. That's the mechanism [51:55.500 --> 52:00.300] However, here's the very interesting thing. This is another reason. I think that people who say that glucose is a [52:01.140 --> 52:04.380] Glucose is natural is that they've lost their minds [52:05.820 --> 52:08.540] There is not enough capacity in the liver [52:09.420 --> 52:16.220] To take all of the blood glucose that needs to be lowered out of the blood. It just is it could work triple over time [52:16.240 --> 52:19.200] It could work triple over time. It can't do the job [52:19.600 --> 52:25.120] There's still going to be elevated blood glucose. And of course as we know high blood glucose damages the organs and tissues [52:25.360 --> 52:27.360] It's got to be dealt with [52:27.680 --> 52:28.720] so [52:28.720 --> 52:30.720] audience [52:30.880 --> 52:32.880] How does it do that? [52:33.760 --> 52:35.760] The answer is [52:36.240 --> 52:38.400] It shoves the glucose into the cells and [52:39.680 --> 52:41.280] burns it [52:41.280 --> 52:42.560] oxidizes it [52:42.560 --> 52:44.720] and then the establishment says [52:45.380 --> 52:48.100] Voila, that's the natural way for the body to generate [52:51.220 --> 52:52.580] When in fact [52:52.580 --> 52:57.860] It's the same thing if you have an incinerator in your backyard and your backyard was filled with [52:58.260 --> 53:01.220] Types of trash that you could incinerate and it was legal in your area [53:02.340 --> 53:06.980] Would you spend days or weeks gathering it all up putting it in trucks taking it to the dump? [53:07.060 --> 53:13.220] Or would you shove it in the incinerator and incinerate? Of course you would and that's exactly what the body does with the [53:13.400 --> 53:19.060] Excess blood I should say there is a there is a blood glucose baseline. That's appropriate and proper and healthy [53:19.060 --> 53:25.940] So I don't want people to misconstrue that any glucose in the body is bad. That's not true. The glucose is is arguably [53:26.660 --> 53:31.860] In a physiological sense, not just with humans one of the most common elements on the planet. So [53:33.380 --> 53:38.180] The body does require glucose, but it produces its own and again [53:38.180 --> 53:42.260] We talked about this right up to the point it needs and not expect more [53:42.660 --> 53:49.460] Yeah, what what we hear in the 21st century do is we drive that number up and up and up again and again and again [53:50.740 --> 53:54.260] Well past what I call baseline, okay the healthy baseline [53:55.140 --> 53:56.660] so [53:56.660 --> 54:00.500] The liver can't handle it all it can't convert all of the necessary [54:01.060 --> 54:05.060] Can't convert enough of the glucose to bring it back to baseline or somewhere near baseline [54:05.460 --> 54:10.920] So the only option the body has left to cope with this emergency situation [54:11.880 --> 54:15.400] Which is high blood glucose, which is unhealthy for the organs [54:15.720 --> 54:20.040] The only way left for it to deal with it is to shove it in the cells and incinerate [54:20.120 --> 54:26.280] Which is exactly what the body does when people are living in glucose is and then the establishment and you know [54:27.880 --> 54:31.880] People who hold multiple phd's will sit here and tell you that's completely normal and healthy [54:32.440 --> 54:34.440] Is it [54:37.240 --> 54:40.920] I explained all of this to my 14 year old client this morning [54:40.920 --> 54:46.680] He races motocross and I said what would happen if you took your race bike engine [54:47.000 --> 54:51.720] And used it all day every day with high octane fuel and you just zipped it around everywhere [54:52.040 --> 54:56.600] He was like, oh I would burn through the engine like he understands. He's got it [54:57.320 --> 54:58.520] It's so obvious [54:58.520 --> 55:03.880] So much common sense that you describe this system as an emergency backup [55:04.200 --> 55:10.680] Which we could use in the very extremely rare times where we would come across some [55:11.220 --> 55:18.600] Carbohydrate vastly different than the type of carbohydrate we have today or at least much more seasonal and in much smaller quantities [55:19.480 --> 55:21.160] I hope we are [55:21.160 --> 55:23.160] Throttling this engine all the time [55:23.560 --> 55:26.280] Okay, so let's talk about inflammation for a moment [55:27.160 --> 55:28.360] um [55:28.360 --> 55:32.840] Is there anyone on the planet who doesn't at this point understand that inflammation is a driver of [55:33.880 --> 55:35.880] so many diseases [55:36.520 --> 55:37.960] It is completely [55:37.960 --> 55:42.120] I was going to say it's completely unhealthy for the body. Not true. There are certain healing moments [55:42.840 --> 55:47.960] When inflammation is necessary in order to engender certain responses from other enzymes and so forth, okay [55:48.440 --> 55:50.440] but on the whole [55:50.500 --> 55:53.720] Inflammation is unhealthy if the body's functioning without any [55:54.440 --> 55:56.440] Wounds outside or inside [55:57.240 --> 56:01.880] There should be very little almost no inflammation in the body at all [56:02.920 --> 56:04.920] So get this [56:05.720 --> 56:08.540] When the cells burn glucose [56:09.880 --> 56:15.240] The byproduct of that process is something called reactive oxygen species. Otherwise known as ros [56:16.120 --> 56:18.120] ros is a [56:18.120 --> 56:22.760] Major source of inflammation in the body. So this is the part that kills me when they say [56:23.000 --> 56:27.320] Oh, yeah, you know burning glucose is totally normal and healthy and the way man was intended to operate [56:27.640 --> 56:31.960] So we know inflation i've inflation. Yeah, tell them where my mind's been lately inflation [56:32.760 --> 56:34.760] Is is incredibly unhealthy? [56:35.560 --> 56:37.560] for the body and it [56:37.880 --> 56:43.480] Makes anything worse and it can cause problems that did not previously exist [56:43.560 --> 56:44.760] Okay [56:44.760 --> 56:49.480] So the best way according to the experts the best way for you to be healthy [56:50.120 --> 56:54.760] Is to live in a system whereby you're creating ros [56:55.480 --> 56:57.480] All hundred trillion cells of your body [56:58.360 --> 57:00.600] all day long are creating creating [57:02.520 --> 57:06.200] They're engaged in a process which results in reactive oxygen species [57:06.600 --> 57:09.880] Which is a major driver of inflation [57:10.840 --> 57:17.240] Inflammation so every single cell of your body as a byproduct of burning glucose is creating [57:18.100 --> 57:22.760] Inflammation and then the experts tell you yeah, that's totally the healthy way for your body to be [57:23.720 --> 57:25.720] so bad [57:25.960 --> 57:27.960] It's so ridiculous when you [57:28.760 --> 57:29.960] It's so bad [57:29.960 --> 57:30.760] It's so bad [57:30.760 --> 57:36.120] And I I just highly encourage the listener to pick up the the book body science is so well done [57:36.200 --> 57:38.360] And we're just like scratching the surface here [57:38.600 --> 57:45.000] But I did I did want to comment on a quote that you have in the book from auto warburg auto warburg was a researcher [57:45.560 --> 57:53.160] In cancer who is so critically important to the nazis and adolf hitler that they kept him a jew alive [57:53.400 --> 57:58.360] in germany during world war ii and you said a quote by him that said something like [57:59.400 --> 58:03.320] Science advances one funeral at a time and on that note [58:03.720 --> 58:10.360] What are the implications of all of this both financially and health wise you you talked about some of the diseases which again [58:10.440 --> 58:15.960] I think that's also scratching the surface, but those are some pretty serious and major diseases. What is what are the implications? [58:17.400 --> 58:23.740] Again financially health wise whatever for running that that hepatic lipid system of being in glucose [58:26.520 --> 58:30.120] We talked about but we mentioned metabolic syndrome a few moments ago [58:30.760 --> 58:32.200] and although [58:32.200 --> 58:34.200] different medical experts [58:35.080 --> 58:37.640] Metabolic syndrome describes a cluster [58:38.440 --> 58:43.960] Of unhealthy circumstances within the body and depending on what medical experts are talking to that changes a little bit. I'm going to give you [58:44.920 --> 58:46.520] the standard [58:46.520 --> 58:53.000] um, what most medical professionals consider metabolic syndrome factors, um obesity that's of the [58:53.480 --> 58:58.600] Adipose tissue we talked about high blood pressure high levels of triglycerides in the blood. We talked about that a little bit [58:59.160 --> 59:04.200] Low hdl the alleged good cholesterol and high blood glucose [59:04.200 --> 59:09.020] So if you have two of the i'm, sorry three of the five of those you're considered to have metabolic syndrome [59:11.000 --> 59:15.420] With that uh, we it mentions obesity but obesity [59:17.160 --> 59:22.520] It is a character a creature all unto itself and as we learned through [59:23.000 --> 59:25.720] Sarcophagi 2 over the last 30 some odd months [59:26.680 --> 59:29.720] It is a major indicator of a bad outcome [59:30.840 --> 59:33.160] we also mentioned a few moments ago that one of the [59:34.020 --> 59:41.020] Problems with having high blood glucose is respiratory infections. Okay, so start adding some of these things together [59:43.880 --> 59:46.780] Heart disease died type 2 diabetes [59:47.500 --> 59:49.340] Um [59:49.340 --> 59:53.180] It's all about the carbs and I know people who haven't read body science [59:53.660 --> 59:58.700] They might guffaw at that. They might not be willing to accept that but it really is it's all about the carbs [59:59.260 --> 01:00:00.380] um [01:00:00.380 --> 01:00:01.800] the [01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:03.800] diseases that [01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:09.020] Well, first of all when your body running in ketosis, it's unlikely you're going to have any disease [01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:13.740] Unless it's something like a bacteria or a virus which your body will fight off much more effectively [01:00:14.140 --> 01:00:19.260] That's right, that's right, um, but let me read you a brief list of [01:00:20.620 --> 01:00:27.420] Medical issues that living in ketosis will terminate. Okay, not make it better terminate them [01:00:28.700 --> 01:00:32.540] insulin resistance type 2 diabetes metabolic syndrome [01:00:33.580 --> 01:00:40.060] Cancer with a codicil it minimizes the odds significantly. It does not terminate it [01:00:40.540 --> 01:00:43.580] Um, the number one reason is cancer cells [01:00:45.260 --> 01:00:49.020] Thrive on glucose. That's right. So the more glucose you have [01:00:49.740 --> 01:00:53.020] The more you are energy and I go through a whole you probably recall [01:00:53.420 --> 01:00:59.340] Go through a whole segment of the book on cancer and ketosis and glucose and so forth alzheimer's again. We [01:01:00.060 --> 01:01:03.260] Briefly talked about the amyloid beta and in there I explained [01:01:03.660 --> 01:01:06.220] Despite the only reason there's controversy today [01:01:06.780 --> 01:01:12.060] When you if you watch like the media and believe them the only reason there's a controversy about what creates alzheimer's [01:01:12.140 --> 01:01:16.620] So they could do more they can fund billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars more in research [01:01:17.020 --> 01:01:21.340] And then big pharma can come out with a product that people can take every day for the rest of their lives [01:01:21.740 --> 01:01:27.260] Making big big pharma trillions of dollars to fight something that you will never get if you live in ketosis [01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:31.100] Okay, and body science has a full explanation for why that is [01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:33.820] By the way, I should add [01:01:34.140 --> 01:01:38.380] That um, it's never too late to start if somebody's watching this and say they're 50 [01:01:39.180 --> 01:01:45.180] And they're concerned that you know these days alzheimer's coming on to people in their early 50s. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah [01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:49.900] Yeah, it used to be only in like the 70s, but the numbers are rationing down and down and down [01:01:50.700 --> 01:01:52.700] um [01:01:53.180 --> 01:01:54.700] It's never too late [01:01:54.700 --> 01:01:57.980] so if you think man, I I lived in glucose is you know, I've been [01:01:58.620 --> 01:02:00.860] You read the explanation of body science and you think man [01:02:00.860 --> 01:02:02.860] I've done a lot of stuff to my brain by doing that [01:02:03.100 --> 01:02:07.500] It's never too late to start your body even in older age will clear these things out [01:02:08.140 --> 01:02:12.700] If you let it it's not going to happen in a week or a month, but it will if you give it a chance [01:02:13.640 --> 01:02:18.060] obesity and probably I think the one that that for whatever reason it seems to be a [01:02:18.700 --> 01:02:25.340] Real important one to me is heart disease probably because it's been so grossly mischaracterized will cause this heart disease and what rectifies heart disease [01:02:25.740 --> 01:02:28.700] You won't get heart again absent or genetic abnormality [01:02:28.700 --> 01:02:32.940] You will not get heart disease when you live in ketosis period full stop end of statement [01:02:33.580 --> 01:02:36.780] If you if you if you've been diagnosed with heart disease [01:02:37.660 --> 01:02:40.060] Again, it's not going to happen in an hour a day or a week [01:02:40.060 --> 01:02:41.820] but if you go into ketosis [01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:47.100] You're going to ratchet that back and eventually your doctor's going to say especially if you don't tell him you're in ketosis [01:02:47.420 --> 01:02:52.300] Eventually, he's going to say I don't know what happened your heart disease just it's gone [01:02:52.700 --> 01:02:54.700] And your choice [01:02:55.660 --> 01:02:57.820] I can only tell you I can only write a book [01:02:58.780 --> 01:03:01.660] What to do with the information of course is up to each individual [01:03:02.140 --> 01:03:02.620] Yeah [01:03:02.620 --> 01:03:04.780] And I really appreciate that and on that note [01:03:05.260 --> 01:03:09.740] We talked in the very beginning of this conversation about some health conditions that you surely must be dealing with [01:03:10.060 --> 01:03:16.140] Three and a half years on carnivore. You've been keto before that. How are you managing your scurvy? [01:03:18.300 --> 01:03:21.660] I love it. Okay. Do you want me to tell the scurvy story? [01:03:22.060 --> 01:03:23.500] Absolutely [01:03:23.500 --> 01:03:24.620] Okay [01:03:24.620 --> 01:03:26.620] so [01:03:26.700 --> 01:03:28.620] Science will tell you [01:03:28.620 --> 01:03:33.100] If you don't get at least 45 milligrams of vitamin c every single day [01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:38.540] For and you you stop that you go to like zero or close to zero vitamin c [01:03:39.900 --> 01:03:43.020] Somewhere between four weeks and 90 days [01:03:43.820 --> 01:03:46.620] You will develop the symptoms of scurvy [01:03:46.620 --> 01:03:48.460] You probably remember scurvy from you know [01:03:48.460 --> 01:03:52.460] When you were in junior high and they talked about sailors trying to find the new world, right? [01:03:52.540 --> 01:03:57.500] They didn't have any vitamin c they didn't have fruits and things that have vitamin c. So they ended up getting scurvy. Ah [01:03:59.500 --> 01:04:00.780] So [01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:05.500] I don't supplement the only supplement I take because I work indoors is I take vitamin d3 other than that [01:04:05.500 --> 01:04:07.500] I don't take any supplements whatsoever [01:04:08.060 --> 01:04:11.500] Uh, so obviously i'm not getting any and I eat nothing but animal flesh [01:04:11.660 --> 01:04:15.820] So i'm not getting any vitamin c are there trace amounts of vitamin c? Yes, there's [01:04:16.620 --> 01:04:18.620] two-tenths of one percent [01:04:19.180 --> 01:04:21.260] Uh, i'm sorry two-tenths of one milligram [01:04:21.900 --> 01:04:30.140] Vitamin c ascorbic acid in a bit more than two pounds of animal flesh and that's about what I eat in a day [01:04:30.620 --> 01:04:35.340] So i'm getting about two-tenths of one milligram of vitamin c a day. But remember [01:04:36.700 --> 01:04:40.060] The science says you need 45 milligrams a day to prevent scurvy [01:04:40.140 --> 01:04:45.500] Obviously, i've got a tiny tiny fraction of what they consider to be the minimum to avoid scurvy [01:04:46.220 --> 01:04:48.780] Um, that's been the case now for [01:04:50.140 --> 01:04:51.900] More than three years [01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:56.140] Um, and the symptoms are supposed to come on no later than 90 days. So i'm wondering [01:04:57.420 --> 01:05:01.020] When will I get scurvy and probably more importantly, when will the other [01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:06.860] Several million people on the planet that are eating carnivore. When will they get scurvy because they don't have it either [01:05:07.420 --> 01:05:10.940] and the point of that when I share that scurvy story is [01:05:12.380 --> 01:05:14.860] It should illustrate to people hopefully [01:05:15.660 --> 01:05:21.580] That how the body addresses nutrients and what it does with those nutrients [01:05:22.220 --> 01:05:26.240] Is considerably different when you live in ketosis [01:05:26.700 --> 01:05:32.140] Versus when you live in glucose and we've talked about the diseases and so forth the things that [01:05:32.780 --> 01:05:38.460] High blood sugar will bring on and high insulin in response to blood sugar has its own debilitating aspects and so forth [01:05:38.700 --> 01:05:41.020] In other words, this is an entirely unhealthy [01:05:41.500 --> 01:05:46.460] It's it's it's downward spiral it's like looking in the toilet and seeing the water going down, okay [01:05:47.100 --> 01:05:49.340] That's what living in glucose is really is and of course [01:05:49.740 --> 01:05:56.460] We know especially for the last 30 months with SARS-CoV-2. It was always the elderly that were at the greatest risk, right? [01:05:57.820 --> 01:06:02.140] And the reason they're at the greatest risk is they have been [01:06:04.060 --> 01:06:07.340] Burning glucose their cells have been creating rls [01:06:08.300 --> 01:06:10.300] They their body has been having to [01:06:10.680 --> 01:06:17.660] Incinerate glucose, which is an ugly dirty process their bodies have been storing triglycerides in the white fat tissue [01:06:18.220 --> 01:06:20.540] They have not been getting a lick of exercise [01:06:20.940 --> 01:06:26.140] Well, oftentimes people who their bodies are debilitated from decades and decades of living in glucoses [01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:30.700] They can't even imagine something like going in exercise because they feel so crappy, right? [01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:35.260] So and of course, you know this case. Yeah, I don't know how much your audience knows about this [01:06:35.340 --> 01:06:40.780] But the lymph system it doesn't have a pump the vascular system. Obviously the heart is what makes the blood go around [01:06:41.420 --> 01:06:44.620] The lymph system doesn't have that and the lymph system is critical [01:06:45.580 --> 01:06:47.260] not just a part of [01:06:47.260 --> 01:06:49.260] critical to the body's proper immune function [01:06:50.140 --> 01:06:51.020] and [01:06:51.020 --> 01:06:53.020] because the lymph system which has [01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:57.260] Lymph fluid in it and that fluid has got to move around and go through the lymph sites and so forth [01:06:58.780 --> 01:07:03.020] And to deposit certain kinds of cells and it's got to remove [01:07:03.580 --> 01:07:04.780] Um [01:07:04.780 --> 01:07:07.100] Toxins and debris that have been cleared out of the body [01:07:07.820 --> 01:07:09.820] by the immune system [01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:12.060] The the lymph fluid has to move [01:07:13.820 --> 01:07:15.820] The only way the way [01:07:15.820 --> 01:07:22.780] That the human body is designed to get that lymph fluid to move is the contraction of muscle of skeletal muscle [01:07:23.580 --> 01:07:27.900] So when you're doing squats doing bench press doing curls doing triceps, whatever you're doing [01:07:28.220 --> 01:07:31.260] You're actually moving your lymph fluid around so we go back to the elderly [01:07:32.140 --> 01:07:34.060] They're not exercising [01:07:34.060 --> 01:07:39.020] They're not moving their lymph fluid. That means their immune system is highly compromised [01:07:39.420 --> 01:07:46.620] They've been burning ugly glucose for decades. Their body is wore the fuck out from that whole process [01:07:47.100 --> 01:07:49.100] And then we say [01:07:49.180 --> 01:07:51.580] Well, it's just because they're old [01:07:52.540 --> 01:07:53.420] No [01:07:53.420 --> 01:07:57.020] It's because they have run their bodies into the ground [01:07:57.820 --> 01:07:59.820] By not living right [01:08:00.220 --> 01:08:02.220] So somebody who's 90 [01:08:02.380 --> 01:08:06.140] Matter of fact, I got a friend of mine. She's 93. She just moved from the small town that I live in [01:08:06.540 --> 01:08:08.780] Up to vegas here about eight nine months ago [01:08:09.640 --> 01:08:14.860] 93 years old goes into the she keeps herself in good shape. She eats the right things [01:08:15.580 --> 01:08:21.420] She goes into the gym and does like two or three aerobics classes a day and she lifts weights [01:08:22.060 --> 01:08:28.140] And she 93 and she breezed through sarx-cov-2 never had a problem. Never once wow [01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:30.860] Okay, wow, so it's not just it's not old age [01:08:31.500 --> 01:08:36.940] It's decrepit. It's decrepit bodies which come from decades of bodily abuse [01:08:37.660 --> 01:08:40.540] Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so very much for making that point [01:08:40.540 --> 01:08:44.620] I absolutely love that which brings me perfect segue to the next issue [01:08:44.700 --> 01:08:48.380] I see in this world all the time and I saw it with you as well [01:08:48.620 --> 01:08:54.860] When i'm looking at podcast covers that you are doing currently versus the podcast cover you use seven or eight years ago [01:08:55.260 --> 01:09:00.060] I can look and see a difference in age and I can guess which one is the older one [01:09:00.220 --> 01:09:02.700] The only problem is I would be wrong [01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:08.540] There is some type of syndrome. I'm going to call it the benjamin button syndrome [01:09:08.780 --> 01:09:12.940] That happens in this world that you certainly are experiencing symptoms of that [01:09:13.260 --> 01:09:16.380] Dude, you're reversed aging people are reversed aging [01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:22.400] They look younger and younger and younger for every day every week every year that goes by it's incredible [01:09:22.400 --> 01:09:23.600] Cool [01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:27.440] Well, I did decide a couple of years ago that I was tired of getting older on my birth age here [01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:35.040] So I decided i'm gonna start getting younger smart smart. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I don't I don't need that established for nonsense. So [01:09:36.480 --> 01:09:38.480] Yeah, I mean [01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.960] I've been in ketosis for more than four and a half years [01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.760] and [01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:51.040] Well, I would say the lion's share of of the big broad [01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:54.560] Macro noticeable things occurred within the first [01:09:55.200 --> 01:09:56.960] year [01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:01.200] Because i'm in tune with my body and I listen to my body. I believe that's very important for health [01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:07.460] I'm still aware of changes that are manifesting themselves now, which is not surprising [01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.640] concerning I was [01:10:11.180 --> 01:10:14.480] 58 when I shifted into ketosis so i'd spent [01:10:15.260 --> 01:10:18.180] 58 years punishing my body in glucose [01:10:19.120 --> 01:10:24.440] Unknowingly, but nevertheless it remains the same outcome whether I did it intentionally or otherwise [01:10:25.780 --> 01:10:28.500] So I don't think it's surprising that after 58 years here [01:10:28.500 --> 01:10:31.060] I am a little bit more than four and a half years into it and i'm still [01:10:31.940 --> 01:10:33.940] noticing changes and I will say [01:10:36.900 --> 01:10:39.620] There were noticeable changes when I shifted from [01:10:40.020 --> 01:10:45.140] The keto way of eating and the keto way of staying in ketosis the 80 15 5 paradigm [01:10:45.620 --> 01:10:48.340] When I shifted into eating carnivore style [01:10:50.820 --> 01:10:55.460] A the the changes were not as dramatic as going from glucose to ketosis [01:10:55.460 --> 01:11:03.540] But when I went from keto to carnivore there was there were a whole slew of additional not as big not as dramatic [01:11:03.860 --> 01:11:09.620] But of additional changes that manifested themselves over about the first six months of that and that was very exciting to see as well [01:11:10.100 --> 01:11:10.500] Yeah [01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:16.340] I see that across the board and I absolutely love that the different anecdotes and case studies and all these people that are really [01:11:16.340 --> 01:11:21.940] Healing themselves by that switch. I think I think getting out of glucose. This is so important, but switching over to carnivore [01:11:22.100 --> 01:11:25.300] That's where you see all the really miraculous sounding benefits [01:11:25.460 --> 01:11:30.340] And i'm just wondering you know now that body science has been out for a while and people have read it people have wrote to you [01:11:30.420 --> 01:11:34.900] As you said, how how are you feeling about the impact of the work you've created? [01:11:36.100 --> 01:11:38.100] so I [01:11:39.060 --> 01:11:42.820] I guess the the best way I could describe it is I feel [01:11:43.940 --> 01:11:45.860] so grateful [01:11:45.860 --> 01:11:47.860] that [01:11:48.580 --> 01:11:50.580] I have been [01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:56.420] The outlet okay that can change people's lives in a positive sense [01:11:57.940 --> 01:12:03.060] You know the information was always out there just like in context shattering this the the information has always been there [01:12:05.860 --> 01:12:07.860] But the will and [01:12:08.260 --> 01:12:10.260] perhaps the acumen [01:12:10.500 --> 01:12:11.380] to [01:12:11.380 --> 01:12:15.220] Hand it to people in a way that they can digest and understand to make use of it [01:12:15.780 --> 01:12:17.460] um, I am [01:12:17.460 --> 01:12:19.700] The way I feel about it is I feel extremely grateful [01:12:20.260 --> 01:12:21.940] That's amazing because [01:12:21.940 --> 01:12:23.860] you know [01:12:23.860 --> 01:12:26.180] This may sound a little I don't know [01:12:27.060 --> 01:12:29.060] uh [01:12:29.860 --> 01:12:34.660] I think the greatest thing we can do in our lifetime is to help others [01:12:35.140 --> 01:12:37.140] Um [01:12:37.700 --> 01:12:40.260] I think it's just natural to take care of ourselves, right? I mean [01:12:41.060 --> 01:12:43.380] From the time that humankind existed [01:12:43.940 --> 01:12:48.740] We get up in the morning and we do things for ourselves and and there's nothing wrong with that self-interest is great [01:12:48.740 --> 01:12:53.940] That's different than selfishness of course self-interest is is absolutely essential and phenomenal and wonderful [01:12:54.820 --> 01:12:59.140] But then there's something more in my book and that's something more that I think [01:13:00.100 --> 01:13:03.780] Everybody should be aspiring to do if they if they have the ability in some way to do it [01:13:04.180 --> 01:13:07.860] Is to help others. So in that sense because I believe that is [01:13:09.060 --> 01:13:14.180] The greater purpose in life is to help others. I feel very grateful that i've been in a position to do that [01:13:14.820 --> 01:13:21.140] That's amazing. Yeah, that is absolutely amazing. That is very much a carnivore answer. It's it's that kind of [01:13:21.700 --> 01:13:24.260] mental clarity and it's like for me [01:13:24.260 --> 01:13:29.860] It was it was a huge increase in gratitude and I would say like presence and spirituality in my life [01:13:30.020 --> 01:13:34.180] Increased when I went carnivore and I I felt good on keto but going carnivore was like [01:13:34.820 --> 01:13:41.780] There's something different about it and you do just you feel so happy and peaceful sharing a message and helping others [01:13:42.020 --> 01:13:44.900] I love love love that answer. This has been such [01:13:45.380 --> 01:13:49.780] An amazing conversation. I'm so glad we took the time to do this and deep dive into this again [01:13:50.020 --> 01:13:54.580] Dave champion, where would you like people to go to find you and connect with you in your work and find your book body silence? [01:13:55.380 --> 01:13:56.180] Okay [01:13:56.180 --> 01:14:01.300] Um, my website is dr reality dot news and that is dr [01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:05.140] Reality all one word dr reality dot news [01:14:05.620 --> 01:14:09.540] Um, you can read a synopsis of my history and about me there on the on the front page [01:14:09.620 --> 01:14:13.620] And then there's a store and there's a blog if you want to take a look at some interesting articles i've written [01:14:14.020 --> 01:14:18.260] Um, and uh, i've written a number of publications and you'll find them there within the store [01:14:18.740 --> 01:14:23.460] Um, there's also a link there if you would wish to email me about something you can do that [01:14:23.860 --> 01:14:27.460] Um, so yeah, and of course i'm all over facebook [01:14:27.460 --> 01:14:33.940] So I actually have a facebook page which is busy keto life with dr. Dave champion. That's not a medical doctor [01:14:34.340 --> 01:14:36.340] That's a doctor degree [01:14:36.740 --> 01:14:41.780] Awesome, I always have said whenever I say dr. Dave champion, especially after the last 30 months. No, i'm not [01:14:43.540 --> 01:14:44.420] That's perfect [01:14:44.420 --> 01:14:46.180] No, we will link to all of that in the show notes [01:14:46.180 --> 01:14:47.140] Like I said j champion [01:14:47.140 --> 01:14:52.340] I was so grateful for you and for the time you took to discover this and to really deep dive [01:14:52.580 --> 01:14:57.380] Those three weeks that you were deep diving into the ketogenic diet so pivotal and so life-changing [01:14:57.540 --> 01:14:58.500] Now let's see you and jen [01:14:58.500 --> 01:15:01.220] But for all the people that got to read your book including myself [01:15:01.220 --> 01:15:04.500] So thank you so very much for everything that you do and the impact that you make [01:15:04.660 --> 01:15:08.020] And and thank you again for taking time to come on our show today. We really appreciate you [01:15:08.820 --> 01:15:14.020] And thank you for allowing all of this information to get out to your audience. That's phenomenal. I appreciate it [01:15:14.420 --> 01:15:17.940] Yeah, thank you so much. And this has been another episode of balanced body radio [01:15:18.580 --> 01:15:20.580] And there you have it [01:15:21.140 --> 01:15:22.500] You know i've been interviewed [01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:26.260] I couldn't even begin to tell you how many times over the last 15 or 20 years and [01:15:26.660 --> 01:15:29.700] I really appreciate casey style of being an interviewer [01:15:29.700 --> 01:15:32.740] And I hope that the questions that he asked and the answers that they elicited for me [01:15:33.140 --> 01:15:37.780] Was highly informative for you and I want to encourage you to do a couple of things number one [01:15:38.100 --> 01:15:42.500] Go to boundless body radio and subscribe to his podcast secondly [01:15:42.980 --> 01:15:48.660] Go to doctor reality dot news dr reality dot news grab yourself a copy of body science [01:15:49.060 --> 01:15:55.460] And or income tax shattering the mist you have my word that they will be two of the most fascinating books [01:15:55.460 --> 01:15:57.940] You will have ever read in your entire life and [01:15:58.740 --> 01:16:00.740] It will change your life [01:16:00.740 --> 01:16:01.940] If you let them [01:16:01.940 --> 01:16:03.940] Thanks for being here. Take care