Detecting language using up to the first 30 seconds. Use `--language` to specify the language Detected language: English [00:00.000 --> 00:13.000] Welcome to the show. On Monday, August 12, 2024, I had the privilege of appearing as the guest on the John Dowling show to discuss physiology and human health with an emphasis on the state of ketosis. [00:13.000 --> 00:22.000] John read my book Body Science and found the truth about human physiology so compelling, he has chosen to live his life in ketosis. [00:22.000 --> 00:29.000] After reading Body Science, he invited me to be a guest so his audience could hear the truth about human physiology and ketosis. [00:29.000 --> 00:33.000] It was a wonderful interview and we covered a lot of ground. [00:33.000 --> 00:38.000] John's hope is this interview will create a spark that will positively change people's lives. [00:38.000 --> 00:41.000] I share that desire, which is why I wrote Body Science. [00:41.000 --> 00:51.000] If you'd like to have the same life-changing experience as John and every other Body Science reader, you'll find the link to Body Science down in the notes as well as links to where you can follow John's show. [00:51.000 --> 00:55.000] Sit back, relax, and enjoy our talk. [00:55.000 --> 01:08.000] Hello everyone and welcome to the podcast. We are honored once again to have the Venerable Mr. David Champion joining us for a unique discussion today, diametrically opposed to the previous two podcasts we've done. [01:08.000 --> 01:13.000] This one is going to be centering on health and wellness and diet, exercise, manipulation. [01:13.000 --> 01:20.000] Now if you are new to the show, please do like, subscribe, and share and hit that customization button so you don't miss any of our shows. [01:20.000 --> 01:32.000] As you'll recall, Mr. Champion has written a book called Income Tax Shattering the Myths, which shows you how to lawfully avoid income taxes going forward now and not just now but for the future. [01:32.000 --> 01:42.000] He also is an aficionado on Common Law Trust, which we started the initial discussion with and I still encourage you folks to go back and watch that podcast. [01:42.000 --> 01:53.000] He is a variable treasure trove of resources, information on that subject, and today we're going to be discussing his book that you see to his right, Body Science, which I did have a chance to read. [01:53.000 --> 02:02.000] And it's a fascinating discussion. I'm looking forward to it. So Dave, once again, good sir, welcome to the podcast. [02:02.000 --> 02:07.000] Sorry, you muted yourself. [02:08.000 --> 02:12.000] There we go. [02:12.000 --> 02:16.000] I wanted to make sure I wasn't interfering with your intro. [02:16.000 --> 02:19.000] No, you weren't getting enough you huh. [02:19.000 --> 02:20.000] Yeah. [02:20.000 --> 02:22.000] Okay. [02:22.000 --> 02:33.000] Morning, good sir, thank you for being here so we've got a lot of questions from myself and the team we're very excited to ask you about this, and always look forward to talking with so let's dive right in. [02:33.000 --> 02:47.000] The first question is I noticed in your book which covered a lot of great information about how to manipulate the standard American diet and what we've been sort of miseducated by doctors over the years as you know doctors are not nutritionists that I have a couple of [02:47.000 --> 02:55.000] doctor friends and they've admitted to me privately that the level of training and [02:55.000 --> 03:13.000] Right sizing will say for lack of a better term in the vein of nutrition is abysmally low. And so that's really good that you wrote this book and we're kind of excited to talk about it so with that in mind I noticed in your book that you didn't cover various blood types for the genetic implications. [03:13.000 --> 03:24.000] With those with respect to diets and what they should and shouldn't consume I'll put myself as an example I'm an 80 positive blood type, which limits a lot of foods off my diet as you know all together. [03:24.000 --> 03:31.000] So with that in mind, what is your take on various blood types and the respective roles that they play within our dietary structure. [03:31.000 --> 03:32.000] Okay. [03:32.000 --> 03:39.000] So, first of all, I want to take the audience, a step back. [03:39.000 --> 03:44.000] And I want to remind them that every single piece. [03:44.000 --> 03:57.000] Well, not every single 99.9% of medical research that's been done concerning the human body has been done on human bodies in the state of glucose is and in case. [03:57.000 --> 04:00.000] Excuse me, this is a case of first impressions for some of your audience. [04:00.000 --> 04:13.000] I had to create the form that the term glucose is when I wrote body science, because there was ketosis, which I think everybody knows the meaning of these days or has an idea, if not the specifics. [04:13.000 --> 04:21.000] And then the other side of the hemisphere. There's only two hemispheres. So on the other side of the hemisphere was glucose is and [04:21.000 --> 04:33.000] Medical science had never created a name for the other hemisphere. So I had to create glucose is which is the condition that probably 98% of the world's population exists in, and it is where the cells are burning glucose for energy. [04:33.000 --> 04:43.000] And we'll get into the fact that that's an emergency mechanism and so forth later because everybody thinks it's the normal way humans fuel their cells and nothing could be further from the truth. [04:43.000 --> 04:56.000] So we have to take into account that 99.9% of medical research has been done on bodies in glucose is what I call the toxic state of glucose is so [04:56.000 --> 05:08.000] And when we talk about things like dietary preferences, dietary advisable foods and advisable foods based on blood type. [05:08.000 --> 05:23.000] Whatever that may be, John, let's say it's it's this wide is the topic that that's in a discussion and glucose is I think when the body flips into ketosis, the blood type discussion goes like this. [05:23.000 --> 05:36.000] I can't I have never come across a piece of information dealing with bodies and ketosis that would indicate that I'm positive. What did you say you were a B. [05:36.000 --> 05:39.000] I'm sorry I made it a B positive. [05:39.000 --> 05:54.000] Okay, so I've never come across anything that would say in a state of ketosis, you and I would have to eat different foods. And let's go a bit further because as you know, body science relies a lot on the concept of nutritional [05:54.000 --> 06:09.000] Anthropology and how our ancient ancestors fed themselves. Okay, so imagine there's a tribe in that they got 13 men and these 13 men have their spears. [06:09.000 --> 06:20.000] And they're running and they're chasing that animal and they get the animal cornered and they stab that animal and they they're getting ready to take this the carcass and the meat back to the tribe so the women and the children can eat as well. [06:21.000 --> 06:30.000] And one of them says, nope, nope, nope, sorry, I'm I'm positive. I can't eat that. [06:30.000 --> 06:45.000] I think that is a 21st century first world discussion that has respectfully nothing to do with the physiological state of ketosis. I think it is. It's just inapplicable in that construct. [06:45.000 --> 06:47.000] Fair enough. Thank you for that. [06:47.000 --> 07:00.000] That makes sense because like you said to me over the weekend we were talking offline if you're moving towards the carnivore diet. There's less calories to keep track of and sugars and things like that because you're mitigating a lot of that on your diet. [07:01.000 --> 07:18.000] So, next question is in the boot camp chapter of your book you rightly pointed out that all the food and food pyramid groups that we were taught to eat as children were myths. And in fact, the inverse is the correct methodology. So that being said, what foods would you suggest we consume the most of and why. [07:18.000 --> 07:36.000] Okay, so in case your audience is unfamiliar, I am carnivore. I eat carnivore style, which means I eat animal meat and animal byproducts almost exclusively. I'm going to say about 98 percent of my daily caloric intake comes from that category. [07:36.000 --> 08:01.000] I'm not saying that everybody must do what Dave Champion does, but I will say that everybody will be the healthiest that their bodies can possibly be if they do what Dave Champion does. And I'd like to address the comment I hear from time to time that, well, everybody's body is different and not everybody has the same nutritional needs. [08:02.000 --> 08:15.000] So just to get out in front of that, because I'm sure some members of your audience are thinking that right now. Oh, well, Dave Champion eats carnivore. So he thinks I should eat carnivore. Well, you know, my body doesn't like carnivore. [08:15.000 --> 08:26.000] So first of all, he's probably never done carnivore. He or she has never done carnivore, doesn't know that's a fact. But in terms of the argument that, well, not everybody's body is the same. [08:27.000 --> 08:38.000] So when my body breaks down protein in the intestines and those proteins transit the intestinal walls and go through the portal vein and enter the blood. [08:39.000 --> 09:03.000] So somebody else's body doesn't process protein like that. So when they eat dietary fats and the dietary fats are emulsified in the intestines and they're packaged up in color microns and they transit the intestinal wall when they're inside that vessel called the color micron and they go into the lymph system and the lymph system takes them up and dumps them down into the cardiac system. [09:04.000 --> 09:11.000] So that doesn't happen with fatty acids in other people's body, only Dave Champion's body. [09:11.000 --> 09:27.000] So proteins, which are the single thing in the body, the only thing in the body that performs repair and replacement of damaged cells or cells that need to need to be gone and replace. [09:28.000 --> 09:32.000] So protein doesn't do that in somebody else's body. [09:32.000 --> 09:50.000] We've talked about, you and I were talking about last weekend, I think the fact that the protein does the heavy lifting, but that fatty acids in ketosis fatty acids are like the coal guys on the locomotive shoveling the coal into the furnace. [09:50.000 --> 09:55.000] It provides the energy for the protein to do what they're doing. [09:57.000 --> 10:15.000] So is somebody saying that fatty acids in ketosis don't fuel the work of they don't serve as a food source, an energy source to be oxidized by the mitochondria in each cell and fuel what the protein is doing? [10:15.000 --> 10:23.000] So you get my point. I can go on and on. But the point being when people say, you know, well, that's fine for you, but that's not fine for me. [10:23.000 --> 10:41.000] Unless your body is not your body job, unless somebody's body is doing something that no human, no other human body is doing on the planet, then yes, our ancestral diet is the correct diet for every human being. [10:41.000 --> 10:47.000] Yeah, there are some genetic things. There are some people who have trouble processing protein and things like that, exceedingly rare. [10:47.000 --> 10:50.000] So if somebody says, you know, well, I don't do well on protein. [10:50.000 --> 10:56.000] Well, unless you get a genetic test and you know that you've got some sort of protein based genetic abnormality, then that's not true. [10:56.000 --> 11:03.000] You're just making stuff up. So but I will say this. It takes a minute for the body to adjust. [11:03.000 --> 11:13.000] So, for instance, somebody who has been eating vegan, as an example, and suddenly they wake up, they smell the coffee, they realize they've been a knucklehead all this time. [11:13.000 --> 11:25.000] So they switch over to carnivore. Is it going to take their gut and their liver and the other organs that participate in the digestive process? [11:25.000 --> 11:32.000] Is it going to take a little bit of time for, for instance, the mix of enzymes to change? [11:32.000 --> 11:36.000] Yes, of course, because the body responds to what you've been putting in it. [11:36.000 --> 11:46.000] So if you've been shoveling nothing but vegetable based food into your gullet and then you start shoving nothing but meat into your gullet, it's going to take a minute. [11:46.000 --> 11:53.000] It's probably going to take five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten days before your body says, oh, this isn't a one time thing. [11:53.000 --> 11:56.000] This is a pretty, at least it could be a permanent change. [11:57.000 --> 12:00.000] We better we better get increase the bile production. [12:00.000 --> 12:06.000] We better start changing the nature of the enzymes that are being placed into the digestive tract and so forth. [12:06.000 --> 12:08.000] So it is going to take a minute. [12:08.000 --> 12:13.000] So people should not make a change, for instance, to carnivore and say three days in. [12:13.000 --> 12:15.000] Well, this just isn't working for me. [12:15.000 --> 12:17.000] Give your body a chance to catch up. [12:18.000 --> 12:21.000] Your body doesn't, you know, our brain, right? [12:21.000 --> 12:25.000] In body science, I talk about the brain, who we are. [12:25.000 --> 12:26.000] It's like a long for the ride. [12:26.000 --> 12:28.000] The body is going to do what the body is going to do. [12:28.000 --> 12:31.000] This thing up here is a long for the ride. [12:31.000 --> 12:37.000] And sometimes we up here think that we're smarter than this here. [12:37.000 --> 12:40.000] And most of the occasions we're not. [12:40.000 --> 12:45.000] So when you ask the question, what kind of food should people be eating? [12:45.000 --> 12:54.000] My best recommendation is our ancestral diet, which is overwhelmingly animal meat and animal byproduct. [12:54.000 --> 12:57.000] And for all the for all the reasons I just mentioned. [12:57.000 --> 12:59.000] Right. OK, great. [12:59.000 --> 13:01.000] Understood. Fair enough. [13:01.000 --> 13:05.000] This may be my personal favorite question, admittedly, Dave. [13:05.000 --> 13:10.000] And I think arguably one of the most important questions we could ask you today, [13:10.000 --> 13:13.000] and that is understanding you wrote the book in 2019. [13:13.000 --> 13:17.000] Right. The world looks very different today, largely due to the pandemic. [13:17.000 --> 13:19.000] We're all forced to deal with. [13:19.000 --> 13:26.000] What implications does the jab slash vaccine play within our genetic makeup and the agenda behind it? [13:26.000 --> 13:33.000] And how do you navigate people with that subject to adapt to adapt the book's principles to the aforementioned event? [13:33.000 --> 13:38.000] Oh, all right, smartass. [13:41.000 --> 13:50.000] So first of all, I want to say nothing that I've said up until this moment would be different for a person who got the jabs. [13:50.000 --> 13:53.000] OK, I want to be very clear. [13:53.000 --> 13:59.000] You know, there seems to be two kind of people in the world right now in in this post covid era, [13:59.000 --> 14:06.000] and that is the people such as myself that keep abreast of the emerging science concerning the mRNA vaccines [14:06.000 --> 14:13.000] and those people who don't either through laziness or simply it's over. [14:13.000 --> 14:16.000] I don't want to hear about it anymore. I lived through it. I've done. I don't want to hear about it. [14:16.000 --> 14:20.000] So as a physiologist, I keep abreast of the science. [14:21.000 --> 14:26.000] The facts that keep rolling out from study after study after study [14:26.000 --> 14:37.000] only makes what our suspicion or supposition was, say, during 2021 and 2022 only has made that exponentially worse. [14:37.000 --> 14:43.000] Now, why are the mRNA vaccines because they're not vaccines? [14:44.000 --> 14:53.000] Because if I want to speak to your audience for a moment, if you think back to any vaccine you've ever had or your child had, [14:53.000 --> 14:57.000] you have to have that vaccine every four to six months. [14:57.000 --> 15:01.000] No, that's not a vaccine. That's a therapeutic. [15:01.000 --> 15:03.000] So it's not really a vaccine at all. [15:03.000 --> 15:07.000] But if we call it that, for the sake of this discussion. [15:07.000 --> 15:16.000] We don't know, going to your question, John, we don't know all of the implications about physiologically speaking. [15:16.000 --> 15:20.000] We don't know all of the implications. [15:20.000 --> 15:24.000] And what I'm about to say is. [15:24.000 --> 15:32.000] My projection, my supposition, based on all the emerging science that I've seen during 2020, [15:32.000 --> 15:38.000] I'm phrasing this cautiously because I don't want your YouTube channel to get in trouble. [15:38.000 --> 15:48.000] So it appears to me that there are any number of consequences for those who. [15:48.000 --> 15:51.000] Probably had more than two jabs. [15:51.000 --> 15:55.000] There are long term consequences that. [15:55.000 --> 15:58.000] Some of them have already emerged. [15:58.000 --> 16:01.000] I don't think all of them have emerged. [16:01.000 --> 16:06.000] There's a discussion out there about turbo cancers, as in one example. [16:06.000 --> 16:09.000] We know about the myocarditis issue. [16:09.000 --> 16:12.000] We know about the myocarditis issue. [16:12.000 --> 16:15.000] We know about the myocarditis issue. [16:15.000 --> 16:18.000] We know about the myocarditis issue. [16:19.000 --> 16:22.000] We know about the myocarditis issue. [16:22.000 --> 16:27.000] We know about the in Western society where most of the jabs took place. [16:27.000 --> 16:35.000] We know about the the deaths far in excess of what should have and could have been anticipated post covid. [16:35.000 --> 16:39.000] So there's there's all these issues. [16:39.000 --> 16:45.000] And again, I don't want to get your YouTube channel in trouble, so I'm not going to go too far into this. [16:45.000 --> 16:46.000] But. [16:48.000 --> 16:50.000] For some people. [16:50.000 --> 16:52.000] There are health implications. [16:52.000 --> 16:55.000] Now I want to be clear. [16:55.000 --> 16:59.000] It does not appear that that is true for everyone. [16:59.000 --> 17:05.000] However, we all know that despite the story that the that the nanolipid particles [17:05.000 --> 17:10.000] and the spike proteins were going to stay at the injection site was utter bulk. [17:10.000 --> 17:15.000] We know that numerous scientific studies, I can say this safely for you on YouTube, [17:15.000 --> 17:19.000] John, because this has been now proven again and again and again and again and again [17:19.000 --> 17:26.000] that despite proteins are being created in totally healthy organs throughout the body, [17:26.000 --> 17:29.000] that the nanolipid particles have been found throughout the body. [17:29.000 --> 17:33.000] So the whole story that was going to stay at the injection site was utter nonsense. [17:33.000 --> 17:41.000] So what is the consequence when the spike proteins are created within organs that are totally healthy? [17:41.000 --> 17:46.000] Well, of course, we know the whole purpose of the spike proteins is to create an antigenic response from the body. [17:46.000 --> 17:54.000] And what that does is it brings the various different T cells in and it kills the cell [17:54.000 --> 18:00.000] that has that antigenic signal on the outside, killing perfectly healthy cells. [18:00.000 --> 18:05.000] Is there a consequence to killing to your body, killing perfectly healthy cells within the body, [18:05.000 --> 18:12.000] something the body would never do absent that particular pharmaceutical product being inside the body? [18:12.000 --> 18:18.000] Is there a consequence? Well, it appears for a lot of people there is not not for everyone [18:18.000 --> 18:23.000] or at least not for everyone that we've seen yet. [18:24.000 --> 18:27.000] But here's the real issue. [18:27.000 --> 18:33.000] And I think you'll find this part fascinating in order for people like YouTube and Facebook [18:33.000 --> 18:41.000] to not take down what we understand to be true about the mRNA vaccines. [18:41.000 --> 18:47.000] Science needs to isolate what's called a mechanism of action. [18:47.000 --> 18:53.000] OK, so you literally have to be able to go from here, taking the needle in the arm. [18:53.000 --> 18:58.000] From that moment, you literally have to be able to trace in a scientific manner every step [18:58.000 --> 19:06.000] until the point where, for instance, a person develops a form of cancer in one of their cell, one of their organs. [19:06.000 --> 19:14.000] OK, so it can't be just this association. This happened and this happened. [19:14.000 --> 19:18.000] The mechanism of action has to be provable. [19:18.000 --> 19:26.000] So where science is at right now is we know the spike proteins are being created in some people, [19:26.000 --> 19:32.000] in healthy organs, and we know that their immune system is killing healthy cells because of that. [19:32.000 --> 19:37.000] The part that's missing is, is that causing liver disease? [19:37.000 --> 19:41.000] Is that causing bladder cancer? Is that causing whatever? [19:41.000 --> 19:47.000] OK, is the body killing its own healthy cells in response to this product being in the body? [19:47.000 --> 19:53.000] Can we track that? Can we establish that mechanism of action? [19:53.000 --> 19:58.000] This caused liver disease. This caused heart attacks, whatever. [19:58.000 --> 20:02.000] That's the part that's missing. [20:02.000 --> 20:09.000] I don't know if we're ever going to get there because the potential damage is so broad, [20:09.000 --> 20:16.000] trying to isolate it down to this pinpoint moment and say I can now establish firmly the mechanism of action. [20:16.000 --> 20:19.000] I don't know if we're ever going to get there. [20:19.000 --> 20:27.000] But that's why, just so your audience knows, why none of the news outlets right or left, [20:27.000 --> 20:34.000] none of the social media platforms will say the mRNA products are causing this. [20:34.000 --> 20:41.000] Because that last little nanometer, that cause of action right there, science has not been able to prove it. [20:41.000 --> 20:47.000] So back to your question, how does it address ketosis? How does ketosis address this? [20:47.000 --> 20:51.000] Well, there's been no research, so I can't give you a scientific answer. [20:51.000 --> 20:58.000] But here's what I'll say. The very healthiest state for humans to exist in is the state of ketosis. [20:58.000 --> 21:03.000] There is no healthier state known to human physiology. [21:03.000 --> 21:09.000] One of the reasons for that is it's the lowest inflammation. [21:09.000 --> 21:13.000] Inflammation is good or bad, right? There's necessary inflammation and there's problematic inflammation, [21:13.000 --> 21:16.000] inflammation that could not ordinarily be there. [21:16.000 --> 21:23.000] And in terms of inflammation that should not ordinarily be there, living in ketosis virtually eradicates that. [21:23.000 --> 21:32.000] So again, many of the chronic diseases that we see in Western society, [21:32.000 --> 21:37.000] they're part of the equation that gets you from being healthy to having these chronic disease. [21:37.000 --> 21:41.000] Part of that equation is inflammation, improper, unhealthy inflammation. [21:41.000 --> 21:50.000] So any condition that your body may be susceptible to ordinarily, [21:50.000 --> 21:59.000] living in ketosis is going to give that body the absolute best chance of avoiding that consequence. [21:59.000 --> 22:02.000] There's no healthier way to live. [22:02.000 --> 22:11.000] So if one thinks I might be at risk because I got four jabs, five jabs, 100 jabs, [22:11.000 --> 22:17.000] if they think they might be at risk, you know, I know there's a lot of people out there saying you can get the spike proteins out of your body. [22:18.000 --> 22:20.000] Well, spike proteins are not a thing under themselves. [22:20.000 --> 22:23.000] They're driven by the nanolipid particles. [22:23.000 --> 22:29.000] And so unless there's a way to get the nanolipid particles out, which nobody's come out and said this is how to do that, [22:29.000 --> 22:35.000] somebody who's had the jab may be at continuing risk down the road. [22:35.000 --> 22:41.000] And I would encourage them, if you're concerned, I would say the smartest way to approach [22:41.000 --> 22:49.000] that would be to live in the very healthiest, least inflammatory way you can, which is ketosis. [22:49.000 --> 22:55.000] And if we're talking about repair and replacement of like damaged cells, [22:55.000 --> 23:03.000] again, there's no healthier system than eating lots of animal product, getting lots of protein, lots of fat and fueling that process. [23:03.000 --> 23:06.000] And you and I talked about this the other day. [23:06.000 --> 23:13.000] 90 percent of the calories we consume during the day are burned while we sleep in that repair and replacement process. [23:13.000 --> 23:17.000] The body does the heavy lifting while we're asleep. [23:17.000 --> 23:28.000] Yeah. So if I thought I was my body was struggling or might be struggling with some sort of adverse event, [23:28.000 --> 23:35.000] I would want to live in the most productive, healthy physiological state possible, which is ketosis. [23:35.000 --> 23:44.000] Yeah. And to your point, the sleep, as you affectionately call it in the book, the baseline period where you're getting optimal nutrition, [23:44.000 --> 23:51.000] optimal rest and, you know, obviously least amount of inflammation and everything can kind of reset the reset process, if you will. [23:51.000 --> 23:54.000] Just real quick before we go on, you know, you also have the issue. [23:54.000 --> 23:59.000] We don't have to touch on it, but just the issue of the nanobot particles associated with that jab. [23:59.000 --> 24:04.000] And unfortunately, in some cases, infertility that is going to be happening. [24:04.000 --> 24:14.000] So it's the whole litany of concerns that we're going to have to be aware of and pray about and move forward as proactively, as you said, as possible. [24:14.000 --> 24:25.000] Next question is, Dave, in the nutritional anthropology chapter, you discussed the dietary habits of the caveman and the earliest source findings of man on the planet, which kind of alluded to earlier. [24:25.000 --> 24:32.000] That's just me personally, as a creationist, I subscribe more to biblical principles with respect to the Earth's earliest timelines. [24:32.000 --> 24:41.000] Be that as it may, there's still plenty of documented evidence to show man's dietary habits were mostly animal based, no matter how you look at the spectrum. [24:41.000 --> 24:44.000] What is your take on what we ate then versus now? [24:44.000 --> 24:51.000] Is there an argument to be made in your estimation that with the advent of technology, we've actually de-evolved as a people? [24:51.000 --> 24:57.000] And how do you see us navigating forward into the new world in which we're headed? [24:57.000 --> 25:01.000] OK, so I'm going to read that as two questions. [25:01.000 --> 25:06.000] There's the diet and anthropology side, then there's where we headed. [25:06.000 --> 25:13.000] So the first agricultural revolution took place about 12,000 years ago. [25:13.000 --> 25:15.000] Well, OK, let me go back. [25:15.000 --> 25:19.000] A lot of Christians still believe in like the 6000 year model. [25:19.000 --> 25:21.000] So I don't want to offend anybody. [25:21.000 --> 25:24.000] I don't ascribe to the 6000 year model. [25:24.000 --> 25:28.000] So it would be hard for me to have that discussion. [25:28.000 --> 25:33.000] So if you'll allow me, I'm going to have the discussion from my understanding. [25:33.000 --> 25:37.000] And I mean, no disrespect to those people who think otherwise. [25:37.000 --> 25:43.000] So let us say for the sake of argument that man existed for three million years. [25:43.000 --> 25:53.000] By the way, there's this modern construct that our ancient ancestors, you referred to them as cavemen. [25:53.000 --> 26:00.000] They were just almost ape like big, dumb, grunting morons. [26:00.000 --> 26:03.000] I've seen no evidence that that is true. [26:03.000 --> 26:08.000] I don't think ancient man was in any way intellectually inferior to us. [26:09.000 --> 26:16.000] I think ancient man didn't have the resources to become educated as we have. [26:16.000 --> 26:23.000] So for instance, ancient man may not have understood 20 plus 20 is 40. [26:23.000 --> 26:29.000] Because that mathematics, no one had thought it up yet that this might be a valuable tool. [26:29.000 --> 26:31.000] But it doesn't mean he wasn't capable. [26:31.000 --> 26:37.000] If somebody came along and said, hey, man, check this out, we put 20 sticks and 20 other sticks. [26:37.000 --> 26:40.000] And if you learn how to count now, you know, that's 40. Right. [26:40.000 --> 26:49.000] So my understanding, I don't see any reason to imagine they were big, dumb, grunting morons. [26:49.000 --> 26:53.000] So I want to be clear about that. Back to the diet. [26:53.000 --> 27:02.000] So let's say for the sake of argument that man had been eating meat and meat byproducts for a couple million years. [27:02.000 --> 27:07.000] That if we if we believe that genetics are. [27:10.000 --> 27:16.000] They reflect what's been going on for millions of years. [27:16.000 --> 27:28.000] And by the way, I don't believe that our core genetics have changed over time, just to be clear. [27:28.000 --> 27:31.000] But so all of a sudden, we get to 12,000 years ago. [27:31.000 --> 27:37.000] And suddenly. Farming arrives. [27:37.000 --> 27:46.000] And of course, you can imagine 12,000 years ago, it was very spotty here and there, very rudimentary, didn't produce a significant crop and so forth. [27:46.000 --> 27:48.000] Right. It was it was like sustenance living. [27:48.000 --> 27:53.000] You know, I mean, I can feed my family vegetables because now I can farm. [27:54.000 --> 27:58.000] Nobody was selling grocery stores 12,000 years ago. [27:58.000 --> 28:02.000] So it was very spotty. And then from 12,000 years on, it progressed. [28:02.000 --> 28:04.000] Then there was a second agricultural revolution. [28:04.000 --> 28:10.000] Then in the 1800s, there was the third late 1700s, the third agricultural revolution. [28:11.000 --> 28:17.000] So on the genetic timeline, as I see it. [28:17.000 --> 28:25.000] You have this huge period of mankind being carnivore preferentially carnivore. [28:25.000 --> 28:32.000] The body is equipped to eat other things if there's a crisis, but they are preferred preferential carnivores. [28:32.000 --> 28:41.000] And then over here for this nanosecond of time on the timeline of humanity, suddenly there's crops. [28:41.000 --> 28:45.000] Suddenly, people are eating grains. [28:45.000 --> 28:55.000] The idea that anybody thinks that that little nanosecond at the end of the timeline is how mankind should be eating is just completely irrational. [28:55.000 --> 29:00.000] For instance, I express to vegans, I say. [29:02.000 --> 29:06.000] Because they like to claim that that's the correct human diet. [29:06.000 --> 29:09.000] And my point of view is this. [29:09.000 --> 29:16.000] And I don't mean to denigrate their thought process, but I think we have to look at the fact. [29:16.000 --> 29:28.000] So they're saying that man's natural diet is a diet that for the vast majority of the world did not become possible until there was refrigeration. [29:28.000 --> 29:40.000] Refrigeration in the homes, refrigeration in the grocery store, refrigeration in the trucks, refrigeration in the aircraft, that there were massive, complex, high quality interstate roads. [29:40.000 --> 29:45.000] And that there was a supplement market. [29:45.000 --> 29:54.000] And the first really viable supplements that people could go to the store and buy that were any quality was the late 1950s. [29:54.000 --> 30:07.000] So from my perspective, what they're saying is the correct human diet is the diet that perhaps you could have eaten and remained healthy starting. [30:07.000 --> 30:10.000] 80 years ago. [30:10.000 --> 30:20.000] Again, if you look at that on the on the timeline of mankind and how our genetics are coded, that's a very silly argument. [30:20.000 --> 30:22.000] Gotcha, gotcha. [30:22.000 --> 30:23.000] Thank you. [30:23.000 --> 30:24.000] But you want to say, where are we going? [30:24.000 --> 30:25.000] Okay. [30:25.000 --> 30:26.000] Oh, yeah. [30:26.000 --> 30:27.000] Right, right. [30:27.000 --> 30:28.000] So where are we going? [30:28.000 --> 30:29.000] I think I can address that very quickly. [30:29.000 --> 30:34.000] It depends on how if the public wants to keep lapping up the propaganda. [30:34.000 --> 30:45.000] I mean, the reason that America is with all of its science, all of its wealth, all of its technology, it is the most ill society on the earth. [30:45.000 --> 30:56.000] And in all of human history, we have more illness in this country than any other society in all of human history, despite all of our benefits, despite all of the blessings that America has. [30:57.000 --> 31:01.000] We are there because of it, not because people are idiots. [31:01.000 --> 31:02.000] Well, okay. [31:02.000 --> 31:16.000] Maybe not wholly, but because the government has and billion dollar industries have been putting out massive disinformation for 60 years, starting with Ansel keys, starting with, you know, saturated fat will kill you that nonsense. [31:17.000 --> 31:23.000] When, in fact, it's carbohydrates that are killing people, especially high glycemic carbohydrates. [31:23.000 --> 31:29.000] And it's like we've got this problem right now. [31:29.000 --> 31:31.000] And hopefully COVID helped with this. [31:31.000 --> 31:38.000] And the problem is, if you talk to somebody in 2018 and said, do you trust the federal government on dietary matters? [31:38.000 --> 31:40.000] I think a whole lot of people would have said yes. [31:41.000 --> 31:43.000] Then we went through COVID. [31:43.000 --> 31:48.000] So I think now coming out in 2024, if you said to somebody, do you trust the government concerning dietary matters? [31:48.000 --> 31:50.000] They would say, ah, not so much. [31:50.000 --> 31:51.000] Okay. [31:51.000 --> 31:55.000] But I'm not sure the cord has been broken yet. [31:55.000 --> 32:00.000] I'm seeing a lot of progress, but it could just be the circles I travel in. [32:00.000 --> 32:04.000] But there are a lot of so many people who have adopted carnivore. [32:04.000 --> 32:09.000] And the great thing about carnivore is this. [32:09.000 --> 32:11.000] You can't lie to yourself. [32:11.000 --> 32:12.000] So well, most people. [32:12.000 --> 32:19.000] So once you've tried carnivore for like 120 days, four months, there's no going back. [32:19.000 --> 32:24.000] The health benefits are so astounding and virtually immediate. [32:24.000 --> 32:28.000] And whatever chronic diseases one has are pretty much mitigated. [32:28.000 --> 32:32.000] They're either gone or greatly mitigated by the four month mark. [32:32.000 --> 32:39.000] The only thing that scares some people is for some people, their LDL goes through the roof, such as mine. [32:39.000 --> 32:43.000] But I'm not concerned about that in the least because that's healthy and good, which I don't know. [32:43.000 --> 32:45.000] We want to get into that today. [32:45.000 --> 32:54.000] But my point is that when people go carnivore, it's one of these things you may not be able to tell them anything because people don't like being told anything these days. [32:55.000 --> 33:09.000] But if they make the move on their own and they stick with it for 120 days, they'll never go back unless they've got some sort of addictive personality or something where like they have to have sugar like an alcoholic has to have alcohol sort of that. [33:09.000 --> 33:12.000] Anybody who goes carnivore is never going back. [33:12.000 --> 33:13.000] So we're making progress. [33:13.000 --> 33:17.000] And of course, it's forgive the analogy. [33:17.000 --> 33:20.000] It's almost like getting religion. [33:20.000 --> 33:29.000] It's like once somebody becomes carnivore, they want to tell everybody, hey, man, this is the way to be healthy because they've experienced it themselves. [33:29.000 --> 33:30.000] Sure. [33:30.000 --> 33:31.000] Word of mouth. [33:31.000 --> 33:32.000] Exactly. [33:32.000 --> 33:34.000] So that's where I'm hoping the future goes. [33:34.000 --> 33:35.000] Yeah. [33:35.000 --> 33:36.000] And I agree with you. [33:36.000 --> 33:49.000] And also to your point, you alluded to it and I even said it once, but the overarching theme that I got, David, from the book was in respect to this and other matters, whatever we're being told out in the world, do the opposite. [33:49.000 --> 33:52.000] We need to reverse engineer and hack what we've been taught. [33:52.000 --> 33:53.000] Absolutely. [33:53.000 --> 34:00.000] I think everybody, to your point post COVID, certainly most people in this channel are already aware of that and taking steps. [34:00.000 --> 34:03.000] So you're adding to the cache of that notion, which we appreciate. [34:03.000 --> 34:06.000] Speaking of something, Dave, I was really excited to talk about. [34:06.000 --> 34:11.000] We discussed this offline about a week ago or two when we were preparing this podcast. [34:11.000 --> 34:16.000] Another area that I know that this is where we're headed and where we've been at the same time. [34:16.000 --> 34:19.000] When I set up the question, you'll understand. [34:19.000 --> 34:25.000] MedBeds, which are primarily Tesla-based, have been in the military, as you probably know, for at least 75 years. [34:25.000 --> 34:31.000] This technology, along with others, have been suppressed from the public on purpose. [34:31.000 --> 34:38.000] We have a personal friend in our camp that has been to Walter Reed Medical Center who's actually experienced a MedBed. [34:38.000 --> 34:40.000] I've touched on this in other shows. [34:40.000 --> 34:42.000] I may or may not have mentioned it to you previously. [34:42.000 --> 34:46.000] We're talking about it now for the whole of our audiences, respectively. [34:46.000 --> 34:47.000] But you're certainly unaware of them. [34:47.000 --> 34:54.000] So what are your thoughts on this exciting technology in places like Walter Reed and other places where it will roll out [34:54.000 --> 35:01.000] and the massive impact that will have on society in conjunction with a renewed diet? [35:01.000 --> 35:07.000] All right. So I have to start by saying I may not be the right person to ask that question. [35:07.000 --> 35:10.000] I mean, here's why. [35:10.000 --> 35:23.000] As you know from reading Income Tax Shattered in the Mist and body science, my forte is research and my compass is evidence. [35:23.000 --> 35:37.000] And I have not been able to find any credible information about what MedBeds are, how they do what they do, [35:37.000 --> 35:40.000] what the technology is that's inside them. [35:40.000 --> 35:45.000] I've read some articles that were critical of them. [35:46.000 --> 35:55.000] There was one, in fact, that I read where it talked about some media group purchased one of these beds and disassembled it, [35:55.000 --> 35:58.000] just like some influencers do with iPhones. [35:58.000 --> 36:00.000] When the new iPhone comes out, they disassemble it. [36:00.000 --> 36:02.000] So they did that to a MedBed. [36:02.000 --> 36:11.000] And they said, not me, they said they found some white concrete-y looking stuff in there, but there was no electronics. [36:11.000 --> 36:19.000] So you know that I don't trust the government as far as I can throw it. [36:19.000 --> 36:29.000] However, I am ill-equipped to talk on this subject because I have been unable to find any evidence, which is my compass, [36:29.000 --> 36:35.000] that would lead me to believe it's bogus or to lead me to believe it's valid. [36:35.000 --> 36:38.000] I am open to people providing me with evidence. [36:38.000 --> 36:42.000] By the way, I do not consider anecdotes evidence. [36:42.000 --> 36:46.000] Now, a million anecdotes is evidence. [36:46.000 --> 36:50.000] Two or three or four people anecdotes is not evidence. [36:50.000 --> 36:58.000] So if people have evidence out there, you'll probably post my contact information in the show notes, I imagine. [36:58.000 --> 37:03.000] So if people have actual evidence, they've got photographs of what's inside these things. [37:03.000 --> 37:10.000] They have documentary evidence on what they do and how they do it and how that benefits the human body. [37:10.000 --> 37:14.000] Real evidence, not something some guy wrote. [37:14.000 --> 37:16.000] I'd love to see it. [37:16.000 --> 37:19.000] I couldn't be more excited about seeing that evidence. [37:19.000 --> 37:22.000] Well, I do have some of that, and I'll send it to you offline. [37:22.000 --> 37:24.000] It's in our Telegram channel that I posted last week. [37:24.000 --> 37:26.000] I'll send it to you afterwards. [37:26.000 --> 37:29.000] And as I said, you're welcome. [37:29.000 --> 37:36.000] We actually have a real case study of somebody we actually know that went in when December of 2022 at Walter Reed. [37:36.000 --> 37:38.000] So let me ask you a question. [37:38.000 --> 37:40.000] I know you're supposed to be the interviewer. [37:40.000 --> 37:41.000] Let me ask you a question. [37:41.000 --> 37:42.000] That's all right. [37:42.000 --> 37:49.000] Your understanding of these med meds. [37:49.000 --> 37:55.000] What is the scope of their abilities? [37:55.000 --> 37:57.000] So two things. [37:57.000 --> 38:05.000] Number one, to address your valid point about what I took to what I intimated what you said was imitators. [38:05.000 --> 38:18.000] You know, there's a lot of there's a difference between the med beds and Tesla med beds and iterations of med beds, you know, pads and things like that. [38:18.000 --> 38:20.000] You know, there's somebody I know in California. [38:20.000 --> 38:21.000] I went to a couple of years ago. [38:21.000 --> 38:26.000] She's got to set up in her house and she's got different crystals and things like that. [38:26.000 --> 38:29.000] And, you know, elements of gold and silver, which have healing properties. [38:29.000 --> 38:33.000] Right. But that's wholly different from the actual med bed. [38:33.000 --> 38:36.000] That's, for example, in Walter Reed. [38:36.000 --> 38:40.000] So I wanted to kind of address that now as to what it can do. [38:40.000 --> 38:47.000] What we have been told is that there's three to four different med beds, if you will. [38:47.000 --> 38:57.000] One of them addresses the pineal gland, which, you know, is the epicenter of the brain, controls information, controls thought process and reasoning and a whole bunch of other things. [38:57.000 --> 39:06.000] You have people, unfortunately, in the military that have a lot of PTSD, understandably from the horrible things they went through and experienced in all kinds of ways. [39:06.000 --> 39:12.000] You have children who are unfortunately sex or human trafficked that have to be dealt with those traumas. [39:12.000 --> 39:29.000] So our understanding is that one of the components is to remove those traumas from the brain so that it's not going into recall and it can preserve the good memories and be able to go on with life without being traumatized by those past situations. [39:29.000 --> 39:36.000] OK, so that's one. One is a general med bed that just, you know, heals the body, restores health. [39:36.000 --> 39:46.000] If you had cancer, if you had, you know, Alzheimer's, you had, you know, low blood pressure, any number of things. [39:46.000 --> 39:49.000] Right. It deals with that. There's one for surgeries. [39:49.000 --> 39:58.000] If you had scars and perforations, depending on the extreme type of surgery you had and what was involved, it can fix that. [39:58.000 --> 40:03.000] And then there's one for limb and lung rest limbs, lungs restoration. [40:03.000 --> 40:15.000] There was a military gentleman that we saw a case study in the New England Journal of Medicine that we one of our team was able to dig up where I think if I remember right, his right leg was missing, but his left leg was intact. [40:15.000 --> 40:24.000] So they were able to use light and frequency therapy to restore the right leg that was amputated and bring it back. [40:24.000 --> 40:27.000] So that's one. Then, of course, age regression. [40:27.000 --> 40:40.000] It can, the temular cells that are in your body that can, like what controls the aging process, they can restore that back to, I've heard, 30 to 50 years in some cases. [40:40.000 --> 40:43.000] So those med beds have three. [40:43.000 --> 40:46.000] I'm going to pass on being 15 again. [40:46.000 --> 40:52.000] That's fine. I mean, some people don't care about age. They just want to be healthy. Other people care about that. [40:52.000 --> 40:57.000] Other people want, it's at your discretion and need, but I just want to answer your question. [40:57.000 --> 41:04.000] I think there's three or four different beds that address a whole litany of issues and just want to kind of answer your question with that. [41:04.000 --> 41:06.000] Good to know. [41:06.000 --> 41:07.000] So I'll send you that. [41:07.000 --> 41:20.000] By the way, on the issue of carnivore and living in ketosis, since we just mentioned aging, one of the frequent comments I get from people is that [41:20.000 --> 41:25.000] in the last six and a half years, I appear to have aged in reverse. [41:25.000 --> 41:35.000] Now, they're not talking. There's that whole, you know, they take various factors in your body and they create, you know, your actual, your physiological age versus your calendar age and so forth. [41:35.000 --> 41:39.000] That's not what they're talking about. They're talking about just looking at me. [41:39.000 --> 41:44.000] I look younger in 2024 than I did in 2014. [41:45.000 --> 41:51.000] Okay, which is pretty astounding for nothing more than for choosing what to eat. [41:51.000 --> 42:02.000] I mean, it makes sense when you get rid of the chemicals in the processed foods, you know, I would think that your body would respond favorably, but that is that is positive to hear so I'm glad I'm glad that's been the case for you. [42:02.000 --> 42:05.000] I'm hoping your audience enjoys the same benefit. [42:05.000 --> 42:13.000] I pray that they will. I know I'm sure many will or have that maybe some of these folks are already actively doing that and this is old hat for them. [42:13.000 --> 42:24.000] I want to ask you another question on a different subject here, because some of the other questions you've thoughtfully kind of tucked in answers to some of the other questions I was going to ask so we can kind of just bypass those. [42:24.000 --> 42:38.000] But I noticed in your book, you mentioned repeatedly, something that was interesting to me that you said that we have 100 trillion cells within our body which, frankly, is to me is an astonishing fact is I didn't know that we had, I knew we had a lot but only that many. [42:38.000 --> 42:49.000] I was just curious where you went specifically to research that information, so that our respective audiences can learn from that and glean from the research, you know what you've accurately compiled. [42:49.000 --> 42:54.000] Okay, so 100 trillion cells is an estimate, to be clear. [42:54.000 --> 43:01.000] And, you know, because I'm a physiologist I read studies day in and day out. [43:02.000 --> 43:11.000] Five months ago, right in that ballpark, there was one that came out that said that the estimate of 100 trillion was incorrect that it's 30 trillion. [43:11.000 --> 43:30.000] Okay, but when we're talking about trillions, if people can grasp the enormity of trillions, in terms of what I discuss in body science, it wouldn't matter whether it's 9 trillion, 40 trillion, 100 trillion, 150 trillion, it doesn't matter. [43:30.000 --> 43:43.000] The really important part of me characterizing in when I was writing the book in 2018, the 100 trillion number was generally accepted scientifically. [43:43.000 --> 43:52.000] The reason I referenced that is not because 100 trillion is a magical number. The reason I referenced that is to make the point that people need to see their body. [43:52.000 --> 44:00.000] We tend to see our body as this monolithic thing. It's just us. You know, we see it in the mirror every day and that's us. [44:00.000 --> 44:15.000] And I want people, I think this is a critical part of understanding health, they need to start looking at the body as 100 trillion members of a community. [44:16.000 --> 44:26.000] And this thing that's up here above our eyes, it allows us to be who we are. [44:26.000 --> 44:38.000] But the vast majority of those 100 trillion cells have zero connection to this. They're doing what they are programmed to do genetically. [44:38.000 --> 44:42.000] We can help them, or we can harm them. [44:42.000 --> 44:49.000] And my real point is if you imagine, and again, I'm going to use the figure 100 trillion just for simplicity sake. [44:49.000 --> 45:03.000] If we can imagine that 80 trillion of those cells are somewhere between mildly compromised in their functions to significantly compromised. [45:03.000 --> 45:08.000] That comprises all of this. How healthy can we be? That's my point. [45:08.000 --> 45:18.000] And for eating our ancestral diet, what our bodies are genetically coded to eat. [45:18.000 --> 45:33.000] Is that which provides optimal health to every single cell and then in doing so, provides optimal health for the total community. [45:33.000 --> 45:42.000] That was really the point of bringing up the number of cells, whether it's whether the actual real number is 100 trillion, 70 trillion, 60 trillion. [45:42.000 --> 45:47.000] That's less important than the concept. [45:47.000 --> 45:54.000] Thank you. Thank you for addressing that. You touched on it earlier, Dave, and I think it was good for us to delve into this. [45:54.000 --> 46:03.000] And that is in most of today's research, as you know, many researchers are reporting that the lymphatic system doesn't have its own pump like the blood circulation system does. [46:03.000 --> 46:09.000] And exercise is therefore required to move the lymphatic fluid through the lymphatic system. [46:10.000 --> 46:18.000] Do you need to exercise to get the benefits of being in ketosis? And if so, what exercises do you recommend? [46:18.000 --> 46:23.000] OK, so I want to separate the lymphatic system from ketosis or glucose. [46:23.000 --> 46:35.000] So what I mean by that is the lymphatic system is going to stand on its own as far as its significance, no matter which of the two physiological hemispheres one's body is in. [46:35.000 --> 46:44.000] The important thing to keep in mind about the lymphatic system is its primary two functions is your immune system. [46:44.000 --> 46:58.000] And clearing out residue of broken down cells and other physiological waste that doesn't go out through feces or urine. [46:58.000 --> 47:04.000] OK, there there are literally what we can say for the purpose of this discussion. [47:04.000 --> 47:07.000] There are filters in the lymphatic system. [47:07.000 --> 47:12.000] But you're right. The lymphatic system, unlike the blood circulatory system, does not have a pump. [47:12.000 --> 47:18.000] The way lymph fluid moves throughout the lymph system and the system is like our blood system. [47:18.000 --> 47:23.000] It's everywhere. OK, it's like almost like people can consider it like a twin. [47:23.000 --> 47:28.000] It doesn't work exactly like this, but if here's an artery, here's the here's the lymphatic tube. [47:28.000 --> 47:34.000] OK, that's how they can think about it. It's not quite like that, but it's everywhere there's blood. [47:34.000 --> 47:39.000] There's lymphatic fluid except in the capillaries, but we don't need to get really detailed on this. [47:39.000 --> 47:46.000] So the lymph fluid must move. [47:46.000 --> 47:51.000] There is no way to be healthy, no matter ketosis or otherwise. [47:51.000 --> 47:59.000] I don't want to say be healthy. There's no way to be an optimal health ketosis, glucose, whatever you are, unless the lymph fluid is moving. [48:00.000 --> 48:09.000] And the way lymph fluid moves, the only way lymph fluid moves is contraction of skeletal muscle. [48:09.000 --> 48:13.000] So everybody I think everybody knows like what a squat is at the gym, right? [48:13.000 --> 48:16.000] You put some weight on your shoulders and you squat down and you stand up. [48:16.000 --> 48:20.000] Everybody knows what a bicep curl is. Everybody knows what a tricep press is. [48:20.000 --> 48:25.000] These are examples of contraction of skeletal muscle. [48:25.000 --> 48:36.000] Now, our ancient man, when they were busy creating their shelters or improving their shelters, [48:36.000 --> 48:44.000] when they were hunting, when they were literally having to skin, you know, using sharp rocks and so forth, their game, [48:44.000 --> 48:47.000] there was a lot of skeletal muscle contraction. [48:47.000 --> 48:51.000] And by the way, it's contraction, release, contraction, release, contraction, release. [48:51.000 --> 48:56.000] I say contraction, but it is that cycle that moves the lymph fluid. [48:56.000 --> 49:06.000] So ancient man between walking and running and all the other functions in order to sustain himself, his tribe, his women, his children. [49:06.000 --> 49:13.000] There was a lot of movement. There was a lot of that contraction and release cycle. [49:13.000 --> 49:16.000] So that was never a problem for ancient man. [49:17.000 --> 49:23.000] They obviously didn't even know about the lymph system, but getting it to move was never a problem for them. [49:23.000 --> 49:25.000] It happened naturally as a part of life. [49:25.000 --> 49:31.000] Now, fast forward 2024, the vast majority of people are sitting on their ass doing very little. [49:31.000 --> 49:45.000] And so they need to ensure that the contraction of that muscle is more than getting off the couch to go in the kitchen and having something to eat. [49:46.000 --> 49:51.000] So, you know, for years, I was a big time bodybuilder in Southern California. [49:51.000 --> 49:55.000] I mean, not like a pro or anything, but I mean, that was what I loved about the gym. [49:55.000 --> 49:59.000] Go in there and I was just this gigantic guy. Right. [49:59.000 --> 50:03.000] And that really has nothing to do with fitness. [50:03.000 --> 50:08.000] I would have told you I was fit, but that really has nothing to do with fitness. [50:08.000 --> 50:12.000] So what I encourage people to do is whether they're doing calisthenics at home, [50:12.000 --> 50:15.000] whether they're getting going out and finding a place to work out like the gym, [50:15.000 --> 50:23.000] whether they're going to a park that has jungle gyms and things like that, wherever they can go. [50:23.000 --> 50:35.000] And for a period of time, I'm going to say not less than, say, 40 minutes that from head to toe, [50:35.000 --> 50:39.000] they are contracting and releasing their skeletal muscle. [50:40.000 --> 50:44.000] They're doing some squats. They're doing some overhead presses. [50:44.000 --> 50:48.000] They're doing some bicep curls. Are you working their back? What have you? [50:48.000 --> 50:52.000] And here's the kicker. There's no evidence. [50:52.000 --> 50:55.000] Let's say let's say bench press, because I think everybody's familiar with bench press. [50:55.000 --> 51:02.000] Right. There's absolutely no evidence that bench pressing 315 pounds [51:02.000 --> 51:06.000] moves the lymph fluid any more than bench pressing 90 pounds. [51:06.000 --> 51:10.000] It is the contraction and release, contraction and release. [51:10.000 --> 51:14.000] My point is, I don't want people to think they have to go bust their ass. [51:14.000 --> 51:17.000] What they have to do. Do you remember Laura Schlesinger? [51:17.000 --> 51:20.000] Dr. Laura? Sure. Yeah. OK. [51:20.000 --> 51:25.000] So she used to say on her show all the time, this I'm dating myself. [51:25.000 --> 51:29.000] Back when I lived in Southern California and I hear her on the radio driving down the street, [51:29.000 --> 51:34.000] She used to say, move. That was her fitness advice. Move. [51:34.000 --> 51:37.000] And it turns out she was absolutely correct. [51:37.000 --> 51:39.000] All we really need to do is move. [51:39.000 --> 51:44.000] The only thing that I want to make sure people understand is this is a whole body activity. [51:44.000 --> 51:48.000] Somebody who's going to go out and say run six miles. [51:48.000 --> 51:55.000] That is not the same as getting a whole body skeletal muscle contraction or release. [51:55.000 --> 52:01.000] And I'm not saying that, by the way, I'm considering writing a companion piece to body science [52:01.000 --> 52:03.000] that deals with the kind of things we're talking about with exercise, [52:03.000 --> 52:07.000] the effects on the brain and the immune system and so forth. [52:07.000 --> 52:12.000] But probably at least I'm going to say six days a week, [52:12.000 --> 52:17.000] people need to have head to toe, like 40 minutes of contraction, [52:17.000 --> 52:20.000] release and skeletal muscle throughout the body. [52:21.000 --> 52:25.000] We talked about the immune system and we touched on it ever so briefly. [52:25.000 --> 52:34.000] Your immune system cannot physically impossible for it to operate at its peak performance [52:34.000 --> 52:39.000] unless you're moving, contracting and releasing that skeletal muscle on a near daily basis. [52:39.000 --> 52:42.000] Absolutely impossible. [52:42.000 --> 52:44.000] I think everybody would love. [52:44.000 --> 52:47.000] I haven't been, by the way, I should tell your audience, I haven't been sick in six and a half. [52:47.000 --> 52:49.000] I went into ketosis six and a half years ago. [52:49.000 --> 52:51.000] I haven't been sick a day in six and a half years. [52:51.000 --> 52:55.000] And I know from like Facebook memories, you know how that pops up. [52:55.000 --> 53:00.000] And I see stuff from like eight, nine, ten years ago talking about, [53:00.000 --> 53:03.000] oh, my God, I'm sick again this year. [53:03.000 --> 53:06.000] I've been out of the gym for a week and a half, all this stuff. [53:06.000 --> 53:09.000] Ever since I flipped into ketosis and I am a gym guy. [53:09.000 --> 53:10.000] So they're doing that every day. [53:10.000 --> 53:14.000] I'm doing cardio and contracting those, contracting and releasing those skeletal muscles. [53:15.000 --> 53:19.000] I haven't been sick a day in six and a half years. [53:19.000 --> 53:22.000] So I am anecdotal living proof. [53:22.000 --> 53:25.000] Sounds good. [53:25.000 --> 53:27.000] Thank you. Thank you for addressing it. [53:27.000 --> 53:33.000] So for the interest of time, I'm going to wrap a few questions into one, you know, just to show I'm sorry. [53:33.000 --> 53:35.000] I've been blabbing. [53:35.000 --> 53:37.000] No, no, this is the information that we need. [53:37.000 --> 53:39.000] I just wanted to give you a heads up on that. [53:39.000 --> 53:42.000] So basically, I have like two elongated questions left. [53:42.000 --> 53:43.000] The next one is there. [53:43.000 --> 53:50.000] They're both ketogenic and carnivore diet carnivore eating plans that put the body, as you know, into ketosis. [53:50.000 --> 53:56.000] The ketogenic eating plan allows for a minimum amount of low carb fruits and vegetables to keep the body in ketosis. [53:56.000 --> 54:03.000] The consensus on what keeps the body in ketosis is to keep the carb intake to no more than, I think, 50 grams a day. [54:03.000 --> 54:09.000] How does that how does this balance out the body while maintaining it in ketosis? [54:09.000 --> 54:16.000] OK, so first of all, I want to say probably most people cannot maintain ketosis at 50 grams of carbs a day. [54:16.000 --> 54:20.000] The safe number is 30 grams a day. [54:20.000 --> 54:25.000] There is virtually virtually everybody will stay in ketosis at 30 grams of carbs a day. [54:25.000 --> 54:29.000] Some people can stay in ketosis at 35, some people at 40. [54:29.000 --> 54:33.000] Most people, if they hit 50, they will not remain in ketosis. [54:33.000 --> 54:38.000] Now, by the way, that doesn't mean somebody like me six and a half years in ketosis. [54:38.000 --> 54:43.000] If one day I had 52 grams of carbs, my body would just drop out of ketosis. [54:43.000 --> 54:45.000] That's not how it works. [54:45.000 --> 54:50.000] But normally. [54:50.000 --> 55:00.000] Choosing a limit of carbs per day is a thing that somebody does when they first start out so that they can be they can rest assured their body is in ketosis. [55:00.000 --> 55:13.000] Now, so I always when friends ask me, I recommend no more than 30 grams of carbs a day if they want to be absolutely certain that they get into ketosis and stay in ketosis. [55:13.000 --> 55:17.000] So. [55:17.000 --> 55:24.000] Carbs, I think this is important for people to understand because of that disinformation we've been talking about for the last 60 years. [55:24.000 --> 55:26.000] There are essential proteins. [55:26.000 --> 55:32.000] There are proteins that you absolutely your body cannot make and you must get them from diet. [55:32.000 --> 55:34.000] There are essential fatty acids. [55:34.000 --> 55:37.000] What that means is you cannot your body cannot produce them. [55:37.000 --> 55:39.000] You must get them from diet. [55:39.000 --> 55:42.000] By the way, all of those are in animal products. [55:42.000 --> 55:46.000] There is no essential carbohydrates. [55:46.000 --> 55:53.000] In other words, if a person never ate another carbohydrate for the rest of their life, their body would not know the difference. [55:53.000 --> 55:57.000] So I'm going to use myself as an example. [55:57.000 --> 56:06.000] I when I was doing the keto diet six and a half years ago, I did not exceed 30 grams of carbs. [56:06.000 --> 56:10.000] About two years in, I went to carnivore. [56:10.000 --> 56:17.000] I think the highest carb count I've had since I went carnivore was nine grams in a day. [56:17.000 --> 56:21.000] There have been many days that was zero. [56:21.000 --> 56:31.000] So what is the difference between, say, 29 grams of carbs in a day and two grams of carbs in a day? [56:31.000 --> 56:33.000] Nothing. [56:33.000 --> 56:39.000] The difference is really where you want to be health wise. [56:39.000 --> 56:48.000] And if you'll allow me, there's some ketogenic influencers out there. [56:48.000 --> 56:51.000] I'm going to mention Dr. Paul Sardino. [56:51.000 --> 56:54.000] I'm not picking on him. [56:54.000 --> 56:58.000] But so many of these guys are going off on the wrong tangent. [56:58.000 --> 57:03.000] And that's why I bring up Paul, who, by the way, I have the greatest respect for. [57:03.000 --> 57:07.000] So Paul was having nocturnal leg cramps. [57:07.000 --> 57:10.000] He was having cramps when he was working out. [57:10.000 --> 57:15.000] So he started eating fruit again. [57:16.000 --> 57:21.000] Fructose, which is the form of sugar that's found in fruit, is unhealthy. [57:21.000 --> 57:22.000] Period. [57:22.000 --> 57:23.000] Full stop. [57:23.000 --> 57:26.000] I know people are going to be screaming at their screens right now. [57:26.000 --> 57:27.000] That's not true. [57:27.000 --> 57:31.000] Because they've been programmed their whole life to believe fruits and vegetables are healthy. [57:31.000 --> 57:36.000] But fructose, it is not healthy. [57:36.000 --> 57:41.000] But Paul and some other influencers, they've integrated fruit back into their diet. [57:41.000 --> 57:46.000] And they say that this solved their cramping problem. [57:46.000 --> 57:53.000] Now, first of all, scientifically, there is no connection between fructose and muscle cramps. [57:53.000 --> 57:57.000] Zero. [57:57.000 --> 58:03.000] Perhaps it has something to do with glycogen in the muscle. [58:03.000 --> 58:09.000] But if they're eating enough fruit to load the muscles with glycogen, then they're no longer in ketosis. [58:09.000 --> 58:14.000] If they're still in ketosis, they're eating not enough fruit to load the muscles with glycogen. [58:14.000 --> 58:17.000] So there's no real connection there. [58:17.000 --> 58:20.000] However, I was having the same issues. [58:20.000 --> 58:21.000] I was having nocturnal cramps. [58:21.000 --> 58:25.000] I would get cramps occasionally when I was especially towards the end of my workout. [58:25.000 --> 58:26.000] But what did I do? [58:26.000 --> 58:30.000] Well, I thought I'm not going to go through the whole thing. [58:30.000 --> 58:31.000] It would be too lengthy. [58:31.000 --> 58:33.000] But I thought this is a signaling. [58:33.000 --> 58:35.000] This is a nerve signaling problem. [58:35.000 --> 58:37.000] This is a breakdown in nerve signaling. [58:37.000 --> 58:44.000] And what is the number one electrolyte that the body needs for proper signaling? [58:44.000 --> 58:45.000] Sodium chloride. [58:45.000 --> 58:46.000] Salt. [58:46.000 --> 58:59.000] So I took my salt intake over a period of several weeks from about three and a half grams, which I was getting via diet, to with diet and supplementation, 13 grams a day. [58:59.000 --> 59:05.000] By the way, I also should tell you about 10 months ago, I developed out of the blue, Russell's leg syndrome. [59:05.000 --> 59:07.000] That's what got me thinking about the signaling issue. [59:07.000 --> 59:16.000] OK, so I raised my salt intake incrementally when I got to 13 grams of sodium chloride intake every single day. [59:16.000 --> 59:18.000] Russell's leg syndrome went away. [59:18.000 --> 59:20.000] Nocturnal leg cramps went away. [59:20.000 --> 59:22.000] The cramps at the gym went away. [59:22.000 --> 59:27.000] And I'm not putting food to us in my body, which is not healthy. [59:27.000 --> 59:30.000] Salt is abundantly healthy. [59:31.000 --> 59:36.000] And much like you remember you were saying a little bit ago, whatever the government says, flipping on its head, that's what you should be doing. [59:36.000 --> 59:37.000] Well, what does the government say? [59:37.000 --> 59:39.000] Oh, high salt content. [59:39.000 --> 59:40.000] Oh, holy cow. [59:40.000 --> 59:45.000] No, you're going to get high blood pressure and you're going to it's going to set you up for heart attacks and strokes. [59:45.000 --> 59:48.000] As you point out, that's BS. [59:48.000 --> 01:00:01.000] And my with the end of one right where we are our own best test subject, I'm constantly analyzing where I'm at in my health. [01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:14.000] And since I've gone to 13 grams of salt a day, I've taken another uptick in the health of my body, which is exactly the opposite of what the medical community would say could possibly happen. [01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:18.000] It has to be 13 grams a day is injurious for sure. [01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:19.000] Okay. [01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.000] But they would say I'm going to have a heart attack after, you know, four and a half years eating beef. [01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:25.000] Well, thank you for that. [01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.000] Did I answer that question or did I get on a rant? [01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:28.000] No, you did. [01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:29.000] You're fine. [01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:30.000] So we only have time for one more. [01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.000] And it's a two part question just to let you know. [01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:36.000] So, by the way, just so you know, I have I have more time. [01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.000] So whatever you want to do, if you want to go long, I'm okay with that. [01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:41.000] I appreciate that. [01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:42.000] Thank you. [01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.000] Thank you for being considerate. [01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.000] No, this really I think we've covered the majority of things. [01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:48.000] I just want to tuck in a few more. [01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.000] One more question with a couple of components. [01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:56.000] Are there any supplements one should take or needs to take if they want to stay in ketosis? [01:00:56.000 --> 01:01:01.000] And does coffee and alcohol in moderation adversely affect ketosis? [01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.000] Okay. [01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:10.000] So the carnivore community and the keto community are. [01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.000] There's a ton of talk about supplementation. [01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:21.000] However, and I'm going to speak exclusively for a moment to carnivore. [01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.000] Every I have blood test. [01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:25.000] I order blood tests every couple of months. [01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.000] I get something in my head. [01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.000] Oh, I want to test this or these five things. [01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:32.000] So I've been having blood tests every couple of months for the last six years. [01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:39.000] And every single thing that people tell me you can't get on a ketogenic diet, [01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:42.000] you can't get eating carnivore when I get it. [01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:46.000] If here's the low end and here's the high end, I'm right here. [01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.000] Dead bang where I need to be. [01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:49.000] Okay. [01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.000] And all I eat is animal and animal byproducts. [01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:58.000] So I have yet to find the thing that I need to supplement, [01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:03.000] except sodium, as we just discussed. [01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:17.000] Now, the reason that we have to supplement sodium is because 99 percent of the population is eating store bought beef, pork, chicken, what have you. [01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:22.000] Animals in nature going back 50,000 years ago, as an example, [01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:29.000] they used the animals consume so much more salt because, for instance, you take a factory farm. [01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:35.000] The farmers only giving the cattle just enough salt that the cattle don't get ill. [01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:36.000] Okay. [01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:42.000] That would have been nowhere near the amount of salt that game would have consumed in nature 50,000 years ago. [01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:49.000] Then man would have killed them for food and would have consumed the salt that was in their flesh. [01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:56.000] And just like any other mammal, man would have followed the animals to find out where they were getting their salt. [01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.000] And the men would have consumed the salt. [01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:05.000] And wars were fought over salt because that's how crucial it is for health. [01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:08.000] Now we're being told, don't eat my salt. [01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.000] But so back to the supplementation. [01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:16.000] I'm like, especially ketosis, because I said there's been no research done. [01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:21.000] Ninety nine point nine percent of all medical research has done on glucose, not deep bodies and ketosis. [01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.000] And we really don't know what all the correct numbers are. [01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:30.000] I ask people all the time, tell me what the correct number of cholesterol is, LDL cholesterol in ketosis. [01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:36.000] Tell me what the correct blood pressure is for somebody who's been living long term in ketosis. [01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.000] And we could go on and on, right? [01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.000] Because there's there's no research. [01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:45.000] What's the correct, you know, inflammation markers on various? [01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.000] There's three or four different inflammation tests. [01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:50.000] What's what would you expect from somebody in ketosis? [01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:54.000] What's the correct A1C number for people who've been living in ketosis? [01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.000] And I'm going to tell you, it's not the scale they use for people living in glucose. [01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.000] It's not the same. [01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:07.000] By the way, if people go into ketosis and they get a blood test or they're concerned about what they see there, [01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:15.000] I do consult privately to make sense of test results that were designed for bodies in glucose. [01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:20.000] I do consult on how to interpret those for a body in ketosis. [01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:25.000] Just so people be aware, because I think sometimes they get that first blood test, say they're, you know, [01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:31.000] four months into carnivore and they get that first blood test and they freak out. [01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:38.000] So I can help people make sense of that in the ketosis universe, because the numbers are not the same. [01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:44.000] But I supplement vitamin D because I work indoors. [01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.000] And I supplement salt. [01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:49.000] I don't supplement anything else. [01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:56.000] And every single blood marker I have is exactly where it should be for a person to be optimally healthy in the state of ketosis. [01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:04.000] So I can only say, unless somebody has some sort of genetic disposition in a particular area, [01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:12.000] some sort of problematic genetic situation, on carnivore, there should be no reason to supplement, not zero. [01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:17.000] And I should say, I don't supplement, I just said, salt and vitamin D. [01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:22.000] You didn't hear vitamin C, right? [01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:26.000] Six and a half years without vitamin C. Well, OK, four years since I went carnivore. [01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:30.000] And the amount of vitamin C in meat is so infinitesimal it's not worth talking about. [01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.000] How come I don't have scurvy? [01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:40.000] Because the societal medical narrative is, if you don't have any vitamin C, you're going to have scurvy. [01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.000] I don't have vitamin C. I don't have scurvy. [01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:48.000] I share that story not to say the medical community is wrong, [01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:56.000] but to make the point that bodies in ketosis function so much different than bodies in glucose. [01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.000] And we talk about interpreting the blood test as an example. [01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:05.000] It's such a different paradigm, a different construct that the I mean, [01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:11.000] if I told a doctor I haven't had an iota of vitamin C in six years, he would call me a liar. [01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:16.000] Or sorry, four and a half years. He would call me a liar because I don't have scurvy. [01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:19.000] But I don't. And by the way, neither do any other carnivores. [01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:28.000] So what does that tell us about the distinctions in how our bodies utilize vitamins and minerals and so forth in a state of ketosis? [01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:34.000] Completely different than how we've been led to understand it over the decades. [01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:41.000] So back to your final statement, I don't advocate supplementation of anything but salt. [01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:44.000] And if you work indoors, vitamin D. [01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.000] And by the way, that's working with clients, too. [01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.000] I've never run into a client who needed to supplement anything else. [01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.000] Great. Thanks, David. [01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:56.000] So as always, where can people find your work so we can put the link in the description? [01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:01.000] OK, people can find my writings at Dr. Reality. [01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.000] That's DrReality.News. [01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:11.000] If people want to reach out to me, they Dave at DrReality.News. [01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.000] I'm on Facebook. I'm on X. [01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.000] I think X it's DrReality5. [01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.000] And again, that's DrReality. [01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:25.000] So it'd be DrReality5 on X. [01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.000] I am here. [01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.000] You and I have talked a lot. [01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:34.000] By the way, I want to tell your audience when John first reached out to me, we didn't know each other. [01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:38.000] And we've talked a fair amount offline. [01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:48.000] And I want your audience to know that we have a burgeoning friendship. [01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:52.000] And that's in great part because of who you are. [01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:57.000] And I want your audience to know because your audience just sees you here. [01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:58.000] Yes. [01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:02.000] I want them to know that there is a man of substance behind what they I'm sure they are. [01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:03.000] They've already figured that out. [01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:09.000] But as somebody who has talked to you offline, I want them to know that their host is a man of integrity and a man of substance. [01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:22.000] And one of the things you and I have in common is our daily endeavors are meant to make life better for those we interact with. [01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:30.000] And so when I give out my email address, when I give out the website, yes, do I make money when somebody purchases something on the website? [01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.000] I do. [01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:39.000] But I have never put a pen to paper or keys to fingers to a keyboard with the intent of making money. [01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:44.000] Every time I've started to write, it's with the intent of helping people. [01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:53.000] But, of course, as a Christian, right, isn't there not a Bible verse or something about every man is worth his wage, something to that effect? [01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:58.000] So that's kind of where I'm at. [01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.000] Yes, I do charge for my books, but I didn't write them for that to generate revenue. [01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:12.000] I wrote them so my fellow man can be as free and as healthy as they will allow themselves to be. [01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:14.000] Absolutely. And thank you for the kind words. [01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:21.000] I deeply appreciate it. And I thank your audience as well for being receptive to our various podcasts. [01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:27.000] Yes, very much a burgeoning friendship, and I look forward to seeing how that can extenuate in the months and years ahead.