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[00:00.000 --> 00:06.080]  Welcome to the show. On May 21st, I was privileged to appear as a guest on the John Dowling show
[00:06.080 --> 00:11.440]  to discuss human health and physiology. Most of John's questions were based on my book
[00:11.440 --> 00:16.120]  Body Science. As always, John's questions were well thought out, eliciting information
[00:16.120 --> 00:21.080]  that allows his audience to live their best lives. If you'd like to live your healthiest
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[00:49.560 --> 00:52.880]  I'll talk a bit more about the truth of the income tax at the end, so stay with me for
[00:52.880 --> 00:57.080]  that. Now, let's get into the John Dowling interview.
[00:58.080 --> 01:02.280]  Hi, everyone. Welcome to the podcast. I am John, your host, and we have a very special
[01:02.280 --> 01:08.320]  guest back. You saw him quite a bit last year in regards to income tax, how you can get
[01:08.320 --> 01:14.440]  around that legally and lawfully. He also helped you understand better the core competency
[01:14.440 --> 01:19.880]  of common law trusts and the various trusts within revocable and irrevocable, what will
[01:19.880 --> 01:24.360]  work best for your personal needs and or direction. He's also talked about health and fitness
[01:24.440 --> 01:27.840]  given his background. It's quite apropos, and he has been gracious enough to join us
[01:27.840 --> 01:34.760]  back again. Part two, as you recall, Dave is a military man retired. He's also specially
[01:34.760 --> 01:40.860]  trained in weapons training and also in martial arts. So obviously that lends itself well
[01:40.860 --> 01:46.080]  to health and fitness to be conducive. So he's a subject matter expert on that, among
[01:46.080 --> 01:50.040]  other things. And we are honored to have him back on the podcast with a book that I've
[01:50.040 --> 01:53.840]  read several times and read again this week for posterity. So I wouldn't dare be at a
[01:53.920 --> 01:57.920]  place with him. And we have the one and only Mr. Dave Champion back with us. Dave, how
[01:57.920 --> 02:01.920]  are you today? Good, sir. I'm great, John. Good to be back again. Thank you for having
[02:01.920 --> 02:05.280]  me. Good to have you. We're better for it for having you. And thank you for all your
[02:05.280 --> 02:10.640]  service. And we honor you on this Sombra Memorial Day upcoming in the next few days.
[02:11.240 --> 02:16.360]  So, Dave, getting started right off the bat with you. In your book Body Science, you
[02:16.360 --> 02:20.800]  discuss a lot of what I like to call reverse engineering items. You know, one seminal
[02:21.800 --> 02:26.200]  example would be ketosis versus glucose. You spend a lot of time establishing the
[02:26.200 --> 02:30.360]  parameters of that and readily so. How did you come to this distinction? And when was
[02:30.360 --> 02:32.200]  the first time you discovered this body hack?
[02:33.880 --> 02:43.840]  Oh, so many years ago now, it's I'm sure you have the same experience, John. You look
[02:43.840 --> 02:48.640]  back and you say, how did all this time go by? So many years ago, probably, you know,
[02:48.640 --> 02:55.200]  approaching a decade ago, I saw a fellow at the gym who had always been obese. He
[02:55.200 --> 03:00.720]  was a lifter, but he was always obese. And I looked across the gym and I said, you
[03:00.720 --> 03:04.920]  know, that looks like Sean, but that can't be Sean, because that guy's not obese.
[03:06.000 --> 03:09.640]  And shortly thereafter, the guy turned around and I was like, holy cow, that's
[03:09.640 --> 03:16.600]  Sean. So I made a point of going over to talk to him at some point during the gym
[03:16.600 --> 03:23.640]  time. And I said, where's the other half of you? And he started telling me about
[03:23.640 --> 03:32.360]  this diet that he was on that was 80% dietary fat. And I heard him out. And to be
[03:32.360 --> 03:36.360]  honest, my thought at the time was, yeah, I was born at night, but not last night.
[03:36.360 --> 03:41.000]  You know, you're not going to convince me that eating 80% fat causes you to lose
[03:41.000 --> 03:48.280]  like 160 pounds, right? But in the same breath, I was seeing it with my own eyes,
[03:48.280 --> 03:54.560]  right? So I got home, I told Jan, I said, man, I saw Sean, I recounted the whole
[03:54.560 --> 03:58.600]  story to her. I said, I've got I've got to look into this thing called the keto
[03:58.600 --> 04:04.440]  diet. Okay. That was my first exposure, this thing called the keto diet, which, as
[04:04.440 --> 04:08.000]  you know, having read body science, that's that's not really the thing. It's a
[04:08.040 --> 04:15.520]  mechanism, a tool to get somewhere. But I started doing the research and down the
[04:15.520 --> 04:20.840]  rabbit hole I went. And that eventually produced body science.
[04:21.640 --> 04:25.720]  Got it. Thank you for that very good, succinct and yet powerful explanation. It
[04:25.720 --> 04:30.760]  makes complete sense. In chapter three, you discuss the subject of what I call or
[04:30.760 --> 04:34.960]  what I believe you called bio individuality, and the dichotomy between
[04:34.960 --> 04:39.440]  male and female genetics. How much in your estimation does this play a role in
[04:39.440 --> 04:44.440]  terms of how the different genders think and process the notion of food nutrition?
[04:46.440 --> 04:50.360]  Ooh, wow, that's more of a psychological question. I don't know if that's in my
[04:50.360 --> 04:56.600]  wheelhouse, but I will give it my best shot. So first of all, let me start. When I
[04:56.600 --> 05:02.720]  was 15, I thought by the time I was like 30, I would understand women. I'm 65. I
[05:02.720 --> 05:07.720]  have still failed at that at 65. So take take what I'm about to say with the
[05:07.720 --> 05:17.080]  appropriate grain of salt. Sure. So in generalizing, women tend to be make more
[05:17.080 --> 05:21.640]  decisions, especially about household things, diet, kids, husband, they tend to
[05:21.640 --> 05:25.560]  make decisions from, I don't want to say an emotional perspective, but I think
[05:25.560 --> 05:30.320]  they factor in more emotions. How's that? Men, we tend to keep everything
[05:30.360 --> 05:34.800]  compartmentalized, and we'd like to at least believe that we're making making
[05:34.800 --> 05:44.880]  decisions predominantly based on facts. So I don't know, I think the emotional
[05:44.880 --> 05:52.560]  side likes comfort food, the emotional side likes sort of the way it's always
[05:52.560 --> 05:59.920]  been kind of thing. I have noticed this is, I can't prove this, let me be very
[05:59.920 --> 06:02.680]  clear about that, because I like to distinguish between what I observe
[06:02.680 --> 06:11.200]  versus what I can prove. I have observed that men seem to grab ahold of the
[06:11.200 --> 06:16.640]  whole ketosis issue more readily, they're more willing to accept it. But
[06:17.800 --> 06:22.760]  boy, I'll tell you, on social media, there are so many females that follow me
[06:22.920 --> 06:28.000]  that live in ketosis. So I don't know how to quantify the difference. But I
[06:28.000 --> 06:32.520]  know men tend to grab on to it more rapidly, and they want to dig into every
[06:32.520 --> 06:34.320]  single aspect. And I love that.
[06:35.120 --> 06:38.560]  Sure. No, no, that's fair. It's just more of an open ended discussion.
[06:38.560 --> 06:43.080]  Because we, let's, if we may, let's return for a moment to bio individuality
[06:43.320 --> 06:47.320]  rather than gender. Sure. Because this is kind of a pet peeve of mine, you
[06:47.320 --> 06:50.480]  might have got that in the book a little bit. Although I don't phrase it that
[06:50.480 --> 06:57.760]  way. There's, so we've got people who live in ketosis. And then we have
[06:57.760 --> 07:04.360]  everybody else, right? The other 99%, 98% that's living in glucose. And the
[07:04.360 --> 07:11.280]  response I get from a lot of people is not everybody's body is the same. Not
[07:11.280 --> 07:15.360]  everybody's body reacts the same or needs the same diet, blah, blah, blah,
[07:15.360 --> 07:19.000]  blah, blah. It's this reactive response when you say, you know, ketosis will
[07:19.000 --> 07:24.000]  solve this and that and the other and so forth. And so I just want to be clear
[07:24.040 --> 07:25.960]  that yes, there is some
[07:27.880 --> 07:33.560]  predominantly genetic bio individuality. But that's such a trivial part of the
[07:33.560 --> 07:39.760]  human experience. So for instance, you know, if Frank eats a 16 ounce steak,
[07:40.560 --> 07:45.920]  and Joe eats a 16 ounce steak, even though Joe may say, you know, not every
[07:45.920 --> 07:54.200]  diet is for everybody. Joe's body processes, proteins, carbohydrates, and
[07:54.200 --> 08:02.240]  fat the exact same way Frank's body does. So I say that to make the point that a
[08:02.240 --> 08:08.760]  lot of this bio individuality, while it does exist, usually when you hear it out
[08:08.800 --> 08:14.280]  in the like, in a discussion about ketosis or not being ketosis or the keto
[08:14.280 --> 08:18.000]  diet or the carnivore diet, when you hear people say, well, everybody's
[08:18.000 --> 08:22.480]  different. That's a justification to do what they want to do. Their body doesn't
[08:22.480 --> 08:26.880]  function any differently, John, than yours or mine. At least in terms of the
[08:26.880 --> 08:27.960]  issues we're discussing today,
[08:28.000 --> 08:32.440]  the anatomical aspects. Yeah, no, I get that. And I would I would just add to
[08:32.440 --> 08:37.640]  what you said, David, rightly that women I've met in person, and also, of course,
[08:37.640 --> 08:41.480]  social media, of course, and you know, social media has its own varying degrees,
[08:41.480 --> 08:45.560]  right? People are putting their best foot forward, putting out a certain precept of
[08:45.560 --> 08:50.200]  who they want you to see. So not everybody, but in general. Very true.
[08:50.600 --> 08:53.880]  Generalization is there for a reason. That's the general rule of thumb. But what
[08:53.880 --> 08:56.640]  I was gonna say is, I think my experience that a lot of high value women don't
[08:56.640 --> 09:02.120]  even understand them, their gender. So what chance do we have? So we're not
[09:02.120 --> 09:05.640]  alone. If they're confused, you got to give us a little bit of grace, you know,
[09:05.680 --> 09:11.400]  so. But it just it's an interesting subject to ponder, because while people's
[09:11.400 --> 09:15.040]  bodies do anatomically work the same, you know, obviously, we produce
[09:15.040 --> 09:19.080]  testosterone, de-estrogen. So there are factors, it was at least, I thought,
[09:19.080 --> 09:22.000]  worth exploring the topic, you know, from a certain.
[09:22.000 --> 09:27.960]  Sure. So there's a group of people out there who claim that living in
[09:27.960 --> 09:37.600]  ketosis presents physiological challenges for women. I haven't seen a
[09:37.600 --> 09:39.640]  shred of evidence to support that, not one.
[09:40.240 --> 09:45.480]  Interesting. Okay, fair enough. Well, that that's factors perfectly, David,
[09:45.480 --> 09:48.440]  and into the talk track of our dialogue, because because you set me up
[09:48.440 --> 09:53.120]  indirectly, with our good working relationship together that we all have
[09:53.120 --> 09:55.760]  different blood types. And you and I have talked about this before, based on
[09:55.760 --> 09:59.960]  our genetic code and family bloodline. For example, I have AB positive, or
[09:59.960 --> 10:03.720]  someone else may have type O negative, type A positive, type B negative, and so
[10:03.720 --> 10:08.760]  on. How much of a mitigating factor do people's various blood types factor in
[10:08.760 --> 10:12.320]  in terms of what they should or shouldn't eat relative to their specific
[10:12.320 --> 10:14.160]  blood type and overall needs thereof?
[10:15.760 --> 10:20.080]  So that became a very popular theme back in the 90s was to eat for your
[10:20.080 --> 10:25.280]  blood type. I think there's even a book with that title. However, again,
[10:25.280 --> 10:31.200]  this goes back to something I mentioned a moment ago, the fellow who has, I
[10:31.200 --> 10:41.720]  don't know, a positive, and I'm O negative, okay. We process dietary
[10:41.720 --> 10:48.280]  protein, exactly the same. We process dietary fat exactly the same. We
[10:48.280 --> 10:55.800]  process carbohydrates exactly the same. Now, one could make the argument, I
[10:55.800 --> 11:03.080]  suppose, that once the intestines have done their job, and the amino peptides
[11:03.120 --> 11:06.880]  have entered the blood, and the carbohydrates have gone to the liver,
[11:06.880 --> 11:13.080]  and so on, somebody could make the argument, I suppose, that based on our
[11:13.080 --> 11:23.280]  blood type, what our body chooses to do with those raw building blocks is very
[11:23.280 --> 11:28.240]  minimally different than what another human with another blood type's body
[11:28.240 --> 11:32.720]  would do. Again, I haven't seen any evidence of that. I'm open to somebody
[11:32.720 --> 11:40.240]  actually proving it, showing that, you know, proteins fold differently in
[11:40.280 --> 11:45.520]  people with a negative blood rather than they do a positive blood, that proteins
[11:45.520 --> 11:49.920]  fold differently, or a slightly lesser or greater percentage of protein does
[11:49.920 --> 12:00.000]  this or such, or the carbohydrates being converted in the liver to glucose and
[12:00.000 --> 12:06.080]  put out, you know, into the bloodstream. I'm sorry, converting glucose into LDL
[12:06.080 --> 12:10.680]  and putting in a triglycerides. I suppose somebody could say, well, you
[12:10.680 --> 12:18.240]  know, O plus is like this, and A minus is, okay, A negative, excuse me, but you
[12:18.240 --> 12:23.000]  get the point. There may be some trivial distinction, but in the macro theme of
[12:23.000 --> 12:27.800]  the difference between, for instance, glucose and ketosis, there is no known
[12:27.800 --> 12:28.520]  difference.
[12:28.960 --> 12:33.120]  So in other words, it's basically negligible, the differences, it's so
[12:33.120 --> 12:33.720]  miniscule.
[12:33.840 --> 12:38.440]  If at all. Okay. And again, I'm open to somebody actually doing that research,
[12:38.440 --> 12:42.760]  and I'd love to see it. There is no research to support that at this time.
[12:43.520 --> 12:45.800]  Again, the idea here, David, is, you know, because we've covered this in the
[12:45.800 --> 12:50.520]  past, this is a reprise, you know, discussion podcast about body science,
[12:50.520 --> 12:54.600]  because, and I'm gonna get to that in a minute, we were just exploring different
[12:54.600 --> 12:57.920]  parts of things that we haven't covered to try to round it out for the audience
[12:57.920 --> 13:01.560]  sake, as you can appreciate. So in chapter four, you heavily stress the
[13:01.560 --> 13:07.200]  importance and distinction between the lymphatic lipid system, LLS, and the
[13:07.240 --> 13:12.400]  hepatic lipid system, HLS. Can you kindly explain the difference to the audience,
[13:12.400 --> 13:16.000]  the inherent difference between the two, and what role they play in the body in
[13:16.000 --> 13:19.360]  terms of overall digestion, as well as the body's ability to process more
[13:19.360 --> 13:20.080]  nutrients?
[13:20.720 --> 13:26.240]  Sure. By the way, I should say, if some of your audience is saying, I've never
[13:26.240 --> 13:31.120]  heard of this thing called glucose, or I've never heard of the lymphatic lipid
[13:31.120 --> 13:35.760]  system, or the hepatic lipid system, they are absolutely right, because I had to
[13:35.760 --> 13:42.000]  create those names. Because these are systems, they're A to Z systems that the
[13:42.000 --> 13:47.560]  medical community in its hundreds and hundreds of years of existing has never
[13:47.560 --> 13:53.360]  made. So you can't talk about something that you don't name. Okay. So for instance,
[13:53.360 --> 13:59.760]  with ketosis, that was a name, right? Back in the 1920s, ketosis, the
[13:59.760 --> 14:07.040]  alternative, the only alternative didn't have a name. The one that 99% of the
[14:07.040 --> 14:10.960]  population of the world lives in didn't have a name. It was just like, they just
[14:10.960 --> 14:15.680]  said, like, the usual. Yeah. So I had to name it. The same thing with the hepatic
[14:15.720 --> 14:20.000]  lipid system and the lymphatic lipid system. Those are titles I had to make up
[14:20.000 --> 14:24.160]  in order to, so that my readers could make sense of what we were talking about.
[14:24.160 --> 14:30.240]  So the lymphatic lipid system, this is the way your body breaks down fats in the
[14:30.240 --> 14:35.240]  digestive tract, and they package them in color microns, and the color microns then
[14:35.240 --> 14:41.480]  transit the intestinal wall, and they go immediately into the lymph system. Okay,
[14:41.800 --> 14:47.720]  so that's the path you eat the fat goes down into the gut. It is emulsified, it's
[14:47.720 --> 14:51.240]  not digested in the same sense the carbohydrates and proteins are, it's
[14:51.240 --> 14:57.080]  emulsified, it then packaged in color microns, which are structurally similar
[14:57.080 --> 15:02.720]  to LDL particles, different, but the same, and transits the intestinal wall. From
[15:02.720 --> 15:07.720]  there, it goes into the lymph system, it goes up through the lymph system and
[15:07.760 --> 15:14.720]  dumps into the primary portal vein that goes into the heart, into the chest
[15:14.720 --> 15:19.200]  cavity, excuse me. And so at that point, all these color microns are no longer in
[15:19.200 --> 15:24.720]  the lymph system. They now go into the blood system. And they travel throughout
[15:24.720 --> 15:30.400]  your body to all 100 trillion cells of your body. And basically, in the book, I
[15:30.400 --> 15:34.640]  analogize them to a delivery vehicle. So you know, here comes the guy with the
[15:34.640 --> 15:39.160]  truck, and I got a bunch of triglycerides in the back. And there's some some
[15:39.160 --> 15:43.200]  swapping of HDL particles and so forth that signal unlock the truck, open the
[15:43.200 --> 15:48.120]  doors, and then the truck docks with the cell, and the triglycerides are offloaded
[15:48.120 --> 15:53.800]  to the cells, then the doors lock again. And it continues to truck continues to
[15:53.800 --> 15:57.680]  offload to various cells until it's completely depleted of its stores. And
[15:57.680 --> 16:02.920]  then it goes back to the liver where it is cannibalized. So that's the lymphatic
[16:02.960 --> 16:06.320]  lipid system. And I think the important thing I would want your audience to take
[16:06.320 --> 16:12.520]  away as we talk about the lymphatic lipid system that number one, that's how all
[16:12.540 --> 16:16.880]  100% of dietary fat gets into the cells, we should start with that. Secondly, the
[16:16.880 --> 16:21.360]  other thing I would want to say is if we go back 30,000 years ago, that was the
[16:21.360 --> 16:27.000]  only way it was happening. Okay. There was no other way for fat to get into the
[16:27.000 --> 16:32.000]  blood, because people back then lived in ketosis from birth till death. Okay. So
[16:32.000 --> 16:38.720]  now in our modern, carb heavy, ultra processed food society, what happens is
[16:38.720 --> 16:44.520]  blood glucose gets elevated dramatically, that's very unhealthy for the body. So
[16:44.520 --> 16:49.720]  then the pancreas starts pumping out insulin to bring that down. Well, insulin
[16:49.720 --> 16:53.600]  sends several signals throughout the body. But one of the signals it sends us
[16:53.600 --> 16:58.400]  to the liver. And it says as the blood is passing through, you need to pull all
[16:58.400 --> 17:04.320]  this glucose out. And you need to convert it to triglycerides. And you need to get
[17:04.320 --> 17:09.240]  those triglycerides out into the blood system. Now, so you'll notice there's a
[17:09.240 --> 17:13.440]  parallel here, whether it's the lymphatic system or the hepatic lipid system,
[17:13.480 --> 17:18.400]  they're both putting triglycerides into the bloodstream. However, the lymphatic
[17:18.400 --> 17:23.400]  system is the daily operating system of the body and was for millions of years.
[17:24.040 --> 17:30.840]  The hepatic lipid system is an emergency mechanism that our ancient ancestor
[17:30.840 --> 17:36.480]  didn't, they didn't need predominantly because they ate very few carbohydrates.
[17:36.840 --> 17:42.680]  And it's an emergency mechanism in the sense that, oh my gosh, look at these
[17:42.680 --> 17:46.120]  incredibly high numbers on glucose, we've got to get this out of the blood.
[17:46.120 --> 17:50.520]  This is harming the organs and the tissues of the body. So the only way for
[17:50.520 --> 17:54.480]  the body to do that, which is kind of magical, actually, is for the liver to
[17:54.480 --> 18:00.560]  convert the to convert the glucose into triglycerides, which then go into I think
[18:00.560 --> 18:03.920]  what the public there's a progression, but I will for the sake of this
[18:03.920 --> 18:10.400]  discussion, we'll call them LDL particles. Okay. And so LDL particles,
[18:10.400 --> 18:16.640]  and you know, doctors like to count LDL particles, right? So the, the number of
[18:16.640 --> 18:23.440]  LDL particles will be dramatically less in a person where the liver is not
[18:23.440 --> 18:27.960]  converting glucose to triglycerides and putting them out. Now, here's probably
[18:27.960 --> 18:35.960]  the real kicker about this. The cells have already gotten their fat from the,
[18:36.520 --> 18:39.880]  from the lymphatic lipid system, from the collimicrons. And I told you,
[18:39.880 --> 18:43.760]  the collimicrons and LDL are very structurally similar. So here comes these
[18:43.760 --> 18:50.200]  LDLs. And they're like, that's for sale. Who wants some fat? What's it? And the
[18:50.200 --> 18:54.000]  cells like, dude, we already saw the collimicrons. The other fat salesman was
[18:54.000 --> 18:58.840]  already here. Thank you. Okay. And then of course, that all ends up getting stored
[18:58.840 --> 19:03.520]  in the adipose tissue. And that's when we gain weight, and we're overweight, or
[19:03.560 --> 19:07.600]  eventually, if the cycle continues on and on and on, as it is with most of the
[19:07.600 --> 19:12.680]  population in America, then we have this obesity crisis. I hope I tied all those
[19:12.680 --> 19:14.200]  things together a bit.
[19:14.840 --> 19:18.320]  You did beautifully. And yes, we're going to talk about the standard American diet,
[19:18.320 --> 19:21.400]  because that's been addressed in the book, and it's wholesale throughout society.
[19:21.400 --> 19:24.600]  So you're right, you touched on a couple of really key points that go to my next
[19:24.600 --> 19:28.920]  following questions, again, another naturally beautifully, beautifully, we'll
[19:28.920 --> 19:33.680]  say engineered or just organic segue, not to get political by any means, but I
[19:33.680 --> 19:36.560]  think you and I kind of we know each other well enough that we have the same
[19:36.960 --> 19:40.960]  political situation, but that's not really the point. Again, we have to
[19:40.960 --> 19:43.920]  discuss the elf in the room, because it falls under this category. And I'm
[19:43.920 --> 19:47.440]  talking about with the new administration, RK Jr. has been appointed
[19:47.440 --> 19:50.400]  to his new role as Department of Director of Health and Human Services,
[19:50.400 --> 19:54.720]  DHS, he has declared an all war on processed foods, more specifically,
[19:54.720 --> 19:59.200]  artificial dyes colors and anything that goes into mass produced food, as you
[19:59.240 --> 20:03.600]  touched on earlier, how encouraged are you about his initiatives? And what
[20:03.600 --> 20:07.400]  long lasting effects do you think this will have on the future of food
[20:07.400 --> 20:08.480]  production going forward?
[20:11.720 --> 20:19.320]  Okay, so mixed bag, let me start there. I tend to be an optimistic person, but I
[20:19.320 --> 20:26.120]  like to temper optimism with what I at least perceive as reality. So here's the
[20:26.120 --> 20:35.720]  reality. ultra processed food, there's no law in America outlawing it. Okay, so
[20:35.960 --> 20:43.640]  there's no way I don't care. You know, who's in charge, you're not going to
[20:43.640 --> 20:50.320]  make something that's completely legal go away. And I don't know if in America,
[20:51.360 --> 20:55.760]  in a land of liberty, we want to tell companies, you can't produce that
[20:55.760 --> 21:01.520]  product. Because we say, and we can prove it's bad for people. So is ultra
[21:01.520 --> 21:05.080]  processed food the same, for instance, as tobacco? I don't know, we still let
[21:05.080 --> 21:09.440]  people smoke, right? Is it as bad as heroin? We don't let people shoot
[21:09.440 --> 21:15.480]  heroin, right? That's a crime. So we've got these issues now, more directly to
[21:15.480 --> 21:26.520]  the maha movement, right? And, and RFK Jr. Let's talk about, for instance, who
[21:26.520 --> 21:32.680]  dies, right? So one of the things that I've been, I've spoken of, not here, but
[21:32.680 --> 21:37.880]  in other forums, is, for instance, we'll use because it's something that I enjoy
[21:37.880 --> 21:44.680]  drinking, we'll use Powerade Zero, right? There's something berry mixed berry
[21:44.680 --> 21:48.520]  flavor, I think is what they call it. It has blue number one in it, which is one
[21:48.520 --> 21:54.120]  of the things that HHS wants to make go away blue number one. So okay, so one of
[21:54.120 --> 21:57.880]  the reasons I've been critical of people who say, you can't have anything with
[21:57.880 --> 22:02.000]  blue number one, they never talk about something called acceptable daily intake
[22:02.000 --> 22:09.400]  ADI. And to give you some idea, ADI is, it comes about through quite a number of
[22:09.440 --> 22:14.400]  tests that take place over many, many years. And it seeks to provide a number
[22:14.400 --> 22:19.400]  where you can say, okay, you can safely consume this much of this thing,
[22:19.440 --> 22:26.640]  whatever it is. But once you get to this threshold, when you get there or above,
[22:27.000 --> 22:34.280]  some people have some adverse health consequences. Okay. And I think that's
[22:34.320 --> 22:42.200]  the ADI is a realistic thing, because the body is not so fragile, right? So I
[22:42.200 --> 22:46.480]  was always critical of people who wanted to condemn, for instance, blue
[22:46.480 --> 22:51.640]  number one or any of the other non natural food dyes without consideration
[22:51.640 --> 23:01.000]  of ADI. Let me give you an example. In a 28 ounce Powerade Zero mixed berry,
[23:03.000 --> 23:07.720]  there is the amount of blue number one that's in it for me to reach the ADI
[23:07.720 --> 23:14.120]  threshold, I would have to drink 303 28 ounce bottles in a single 24 hour
[23:14.120 --> 23:19.080]  period. Okay, so if I drink three, just as an example, throwing that out
[23:19.080 --> 23:25.080]  arbitrarily, if I drink three, okay, that's 300 bottles short of reaching the
[23:25.080 --> 23:30.000]  point where blue number one might do something adverse to my health. So I
[23:30.000 --> 23:36.560]  share that to then I look at what RFK Jr is doing. So sale ban on blue number
[23:36.560 --> 23:42.360]  one and several others, but but on blue number one, without ever talking about
[23:42.400 --> 23:48.280]  ADI. Okay, so whether we've got people condemning it over here out in the out
[23:48.280 --> 23:53.440]  in the blogosphere, whether we've got RFK Jr saying it needs to go away, there's
[23:53.440 --> 23:59.560]  no discussion of relevant factors like ADI. So I'd like to see a bit more
[23:59.560 --> 24:04.360]  science and a bit more common sense involved. That said, which I know what I'm
[24:04.360 --> 24:09.240]  about to say, I think goes more to your point. I don't know what RFK Jr how
[24:09.240 --> 24:14.200]  successful he's going to be at creating a healthier America moving forward for
[24:14.200 --> 24:19.600]  the next, what three and three quarter years. But he's a damn sight better than
[24:19.600 --> 24:23.920]  anyone who's been in that chair in the last several decades. I agree
[24:23.920 --> 24:28.680]  completely. By the way, I am very disappointed in things like I was
[24:28.680 --> 24:33.080]  expecting I was hoping I don't want to say expect I was hoping day one gets
[24:33.080 --> 24:38.600]  sworn in, turn around and say, I'm going to release all the data that HHS has on
[24:38.600 --> 24:43.840]  SARS, COVID-19 and the mRNA products, everything we've got the American people
[24:43.840 --> 24:49.160]  should be able to see. Well, that didn't happen. And it still hasn't happened.
[24:49.160 --> 24:54.000]  And why is that I'm going to speculate. After Donald Trump was elected, but
[24:54.000 --> 24:58.320]  before he was sworn in, he had two private dinners with Borla, who is the
[24:58.320 --> 25:04.160]  CEO of Pfizer. And now there's no discussion of releasing the information
[25:04.160 --> 25:08.280]  to the American people. That does not please me.
[25:10.680 --> 25:15.000]  So, yeah, we get down a slippery slope with this, which I understand. Let's
[25:15.000 --> 25:19.480]  let's address this bit by bit if we can, because it's a big, it's a it's an
[25:19.480 --> 25:24.440]  elephant, there's you got to process one bite at a time. So, you know, I'm not a
[25:24.920 --> 25:29.920]  proponent of processed foods, neither you, you know, their whole book is heavily
[25:29.920 --> 25:34.480]  based on eating as natural and direct to the source of, you know, farm and as
[25:34.480 --> 25:38.560]  possible. At the same time, you don't want to take away people's free will to
[25:38.560 --> 25:42.360]  make their own choices, because that's a God imbued gift, which I believe in God
[25:42.360 --> 25:47.120]  believes in. And everybody has the right to determine, you know, what's best for
[25:47.120 --> 25:50.800]  them. And someone not should not take that free will from them for better for
[25:50.800 --> 25:57.480]  worse. Right. So that's kind of my take on that for what it's worth. I can, as
[25:57.480 --> 26:00.000]  I've told you in the past, when we've gone back and forth with things, I can
[26:00.000 --> 26:07.520]  show you some articles where the states are weaning away the from people at a
[26:07.520 --> 26:10.800]  certain age group and winding it back. So I'll send that to you later. There are
[26:10.800 --> 26:15.200]  some encouraging signs of that coming to fruition. I agree. It would have been
[26:15.200 --> 26:19.200]  nice to see it upfront from day one. I'm going to give them the benefit of the
[26:19.440 --> 26:22.440]  Maybe there's reasons why they're doing things there. There's a systematic
[26:22.440 --> 26:25.320]  rollout. I'm not privy to I don't sit that high up. Neither do you.
[26:26.000 --> 26:29.440]  And if I may, please interrupt for a moment. Marty McCurry just announced
[26:29.440 --> 26:34.040]  yesterday or the day before that there are they're altering the standards for
[26:34.400 --> 26:40.000]  the COVID-19 vaccines there are they've altered the standards for they've got a
[26:40.000 --> 26:44.000]  one standard for people 65 and above. I've got another standard for 65 and
[26:44.000 --> 26:49.160]  below who who are at high risk. And then they have this the third standard, which
[26:49.160 --> 26:53.360]  is for under 65, who are just the general population who are not at high
[26:53.360 --> 26:56.720]  risk. So we don't want to get into that we'd be here all day, but
[26:56.760 --> 26:59.160]  well, that was one of the articles I was going to send you. So if you've seen it,
[26:59.160 --> 27:02.920]  you know, but I think that's how they're optically rolling it out for the masses
[27:02.920 --> 27:07.000]  who are not as ensconced as the truth or movement is, I believe our audiences are
[27:07.320 --> 27:12.160]  to introduce this like a frog in the pot slow and systematic, right? Now, I will
[27:12.160 --> 27:17.000]  say you're right. Well, I've got some information that seems to suggest that
[27:17.000 --> 27:21.720]  which again, I can send you at a later date. But but yeah. But but where my
[27:21.720 --> 27:25.680]  concern is, and what I would I think the overwhelming lion's share of our
[27:25.680 --> 27:29.320]  audience and probably yours to some degree would agree, is I would have liked
[27:29.320 --> 27:33.320]  to have seen the chemtrail issue that has been so pervasive, particularly here
[27:33.320 --> 27:37.560]  in California, Arizona, throughout the country, I would have liked to have seen
[27:37.560 --> 27:41.280]  that addressed a lot quicker. And that is something that I'm praying that
[27:41.280 --> 27:45.680]  optimistically will come to fruition, you know, here at some point so that I
[27:45.680 --> 27:49.680]  share your frustration on that with that respect. But we'll have to see how
[27:49.680 --> 27:53.720]  it all plays out. Reading your book a few times, it's clear that you are a
[27:53.720 --> 27:57.480]  heavy proponent, as I mentioned before, the carnivore diet, even citing sources
[27:57.480 --> 28:01.320]  going back to the beginning of man in the wilderness, the forest and detailing
[28:01.320 --> 28:05.240]  how they ate meat for strength and sustenance. At the same time, plant life
[28:05.280 --> 28:09.880]  is was and still is abundant in present times. How did you determine that the
[28:09.880 --> 28:13.240]  need for vegetables at least in a limited quantity in terms of a
[28:13.280 --> 28:18.400]  carbohydrate quota to stay in ketosis was the best way to go for both yourself
[28:18.400 --> 28:21.200]  as well as others who have read or will read your book?
[28:23.280 --> 28:32.760]  OK, so first of all, one cannot eat a cannot go be above a certain threshold
[28:32.760 --> 28:36.000]  of carbohydrate consumption and remain in ketosis.
[28:36.840 --> 28:43.880]  Ketosis, I wouldn't necessarily identify it as the absence of carbohydrates.
[28:43.920 --> 28:45.880]  I wouldn't. I think that's going too far.
[28:46.520 --> 28:52.240]  But it is a it is a condition that cannot be sustained if one passes that
[28:52.240 --> 28:55.200]  threshold of carb consumption in a 24 hour cycle.
[28:55.800 --> 28:59.440]  And I'm talking about repeatedly not having a bad day, so to speak.
[29:00.160 --> 29:04.200]  So what is the correct amount of carbohydrates to stay in ketosis?
[29:04.440 --> 29:07.400]  Well, this is a good case of bio individuality.
[29:08.160 --> 29:12.360]  Some people need to stay under 20 grams of carbs, some people under 30, some
[29:12.360 --> 29:16.680]  people under 40. There's even some people who can eat 50 grams of carbs a day
[29:16.680 --> 29:18.960]  and remain in ketosis. Not many, but there are some.
[29:19.200 --> 29:23.320]  OK, so that's obviously if we compare that, say, if we choose the number
[29:23.680 --> 29:29.480]  30 grams just for this illustration, the the average American male consumes
[29:29.480 --> 29:32.320]  400 to 500 grams of carbohydrates a day.
[29:32.640 --> 29:36.480]  But if you want to stay in ketosis, again, we're using just as an average.
[29:36.640 --> 29:37.840]  You need to be less than 30.
[29:37.840 --> 29:40.680]  So that's quite a commitment, I think, for people who are uninformed
[29:40.680 --> 29:41.960]  and don't understand.
[29:41.960 --> 29:45.640]  Now, what about the consumption of vegetables?
[29:45.640 --> 29:52.080]  So, first of all, we should say that there are essential proteins
[29:53.040 --> 29:55.360]  that you can only get through diet. You must eat them.
[29:56.560 --> 29:59.160]  There are essential fatty acids.
[29:59.160 --> 30:01.520]  You cannot make them. Your body will not make them.
[30:01.520 --> 30:03.600]  You have to get them through dietary form.
[30:04.680 --> 30:09.400]  There is no such equivalent in carbohydrates.
[30:09.680 --> 30:11.720]  There is no essential carbohydrates.
[30:11.720 --> 30:13.160]  I think that's quite telling.
[30:13.160 --> 30:19.480]  If we if we believe the human body functions in a logical,
[30:19.480 --> 30:23.160]  rational manner, which I happen to be a proponent of that position,
[30:23.800 --> 30:27.160]  then the fact that there are there are no there's no equivalent
[30:27.560 --> 30:29.880]  in carbohydrates.
[30:29.880 --> 30:33.120]  In other words, a person could literally start today
[30:33.120 --> 30:35.920]  and never eat carbohydrates, not a single gram of carbohydrates
[30:35.920 --> 30:38.520]  for the rest of their life and be amazingly healthy.
[30:39.000 --> 30:42.320]  You cannot say that about proteins and you cannot say that about fats.
[30:42.320 --> 30:44.640]  There's no such thing as essential carbohydrates.
[30:44.640 --> 30:45.800]  That's number one.
[30:45.800 --> 30:50.440]  Number two, probably like me, John,
[30:50.440 --> 30:54.200]  you were raised with this narrative that you need to eat all your fruits
[30:54.200 --> 30:56.520]  and vegetables in order to get all the nutrients you need.
[30:56.520 --> 31:01.200]  Blah, blah. Well, that turns out to be absolute bogus nonsense.
[31:01.280 --> 31:06.960]  You know, everything that the human body needs to not exist,
[31:07.440 --> 31:11.360]  but thrive, is contained in animal products.
[31:11.920 --> 31:16.480]  So, for instance, in my case, excluding like a little thin
[31:17.040 --> 31:20.560]  bit of onion on a on a burger that I let us write something like that.
[31:20.920 --> 31:24.320]  I haven't eaten vegetables in seven years.
[31:25.120 --> 31:27.480]  Here I am. I'm not dead.
[31:28.800 --> 31:32.000]  And with that, we discussion of vegetables
[31:32.000 --> 31:34.200]  usually also turns to a discussion on fiber.
[31:34.640 --> 31:39.320]  That's another false, established, false medical industry narrative
[31:39.640 --> 31:41.800]  that you need fiber. In fact,
[31:42.960 --> 31:48.080]  research has shown people's bowel movements are.
[31:49.840 --> 31:53.400]  Less consistent and less quality, if I can use that word,
[31:54.800 --> 31:57.400]  with the consumption with high consumption of fiber
[31:57.680 --> 32:01.120]  than being on a diet like the carnivore diet, where there's virtually no fiber
[32:01.120 --> 32:03.960]  whatsoever. But you don't hear about those studies in the press.
[32:05.200 --> 32:08.080]  Yeah. So it was very, very well protected.
[32:08.720 --> 32:10.960]  No. Well, you're helping to smash that.
[32:10.960 --> 32:14.760]  And and and and and I think people are searching for the truth,
[32:14.760 --> 32:17.240]  which tends to lead to a gateway to that anyway.
[32:17.280 --> 32:21.280]  So, yeah, I think it's fiber has proven itself in that regard
[32:21.520 --> 32:24.800]  to be sort of a passing fancy and has been perfunctory at best
[32:24.800 --> 32:26.840]  in its function, to your point.
[32:26.840 --> 32:29.000]  I wasn't actually planning on asking you this question,
[32:29.000 --> 32:31.840]  but if you'll indulge me, it's a bonus question, because it's just something.
[32:32.440 --> 32:34.320]  It's something that you were sharing. I was thinking about.
[32:34.320 --> 32:36.520]  So I'm athletic. You're athletic, obviously.
[32:37.360 --> 32:40.000]  You know, I do basketball lifting. You do a lot of lifting.
[32:40.000 --> 32:42.040]  I know we talked, you've been in the gym and so on and so forth.
[32:42.880 --> 32:45.520]  You spend a lot of time outdoors.
[32:45.520 --> 32:48.400]  There's a lot of discussion, particularly in the athletic community
[32:48.440 --> 32:53.880]  and to some extent, the public at large as well with respect to a cheat day.
[32:54.040 --> 32:57.360]  So let's say that you're you're doing a heavily,
[32:58.000 --> 33:02.560]  you know, 95 percent carnivore based diet and all of its iterations, eggs and so forth.
[33:03.920 --> 33:06.760]  Do you do you subscribe to a cheat day one day a week
[33:06.760 --> 33:09.960]  or do you throw that out about ketosis and just say we forget about it
[33:09.960 --> 33:13.680]  because it's an off day or are you very strict about being ketosis seven days a week?
[33:13.680 --> 33:15.480]  How do you how do you look at that?
[33:15.480 --> 33:17.880]  OK, so I've never had a desire for a cheat day.
[33:17.880 --> 33:19.000]  It just doesn't interest me.
[33:19.000 --> 33:21.080]  So I'm not I'm not a good test case on that.
[33:21.080 --> 33:24.480]  However, let's talk about the very concept of a cheat day.
[33:25.600 --> 33:31.120]  Now, I think it's counterproductive, especially in the early months of ketosis.
[33:31.520 --> 33:34.480]  It's counterproductive to have a cheat day every week
[33:34.760 --> 33:39.400]  because normally a cheat day doesn't mean somebody goes from 30 grams of carbs to 36.
[33:39.760 --> 33:44.160]  Normally, it means they go from 30 grams to 250 or 300.
[33:44.440 --> 33:47.080]  That's not beneficial.
[33:47.080 --> 33:49.840]  If people want to cheat,
[33:49.840 --> 33:52.560]  that's OK, and I'm going to explain why in a minute.
[33:52.560 --> 33:55.880]  But I would advocate that if people want to cheat,
[33:55.880 --> 33:59.400]  they choose an occasion rather than a calendar date.
[33:59.760 --> 34:02.560]  So rather than saying I'm going to cheat every Saturday,
[34:03.240 --> 34:06.480]  they choose something like I'm going out with my buddies next month.
[34:06.920 --> 34:11.160]  So, you know, we're going to drink beer, which has got a lot of carbohydrates.
[34:11.160 --> 34:15.080]  And OK, or there's a birthday party and I want a little sliver of cake.
[34:15.080 --> 34:16.360]  OK, that's fine.
[34:16.360 --> 34:19.960]  But try and make it an occasion rather than a date on the calendar
[34:19.960 --> 34:22.480]  or a recurring event on the calendar.
[34:22.480 --> 34:29.840]  Now, why do you want somebody is firmly their body is firmly entrenched in ketosis
[34:30.320 --> 34:36.760]  and a good working definition of a body being firmly in ketosis
[34:37.200 --> 34:43.680]  is that the cells have no interest in using glucose for fuel zero.
[34:44.200 --> 34:46.640]  OK, all they want is fatty acids.
[34:46.640 --> 34:50.520]  And that's a transitional thing that happens from the time you flip into ketosis.
[34:50.800 --> 34:55.240]  And there's months, usually probably seven, eight, nine, ten months
[34:55.440 --> 34:59.080]  before your body is fully what they call keto adapted or ketosis adapted.
[34:59.400 --> 35:01.800]  And that means the cells are just done with glucose.
[35:01.800 --> 35:03.360]  They have no interest.
[35:03.360 --> 35:06.560]  So what happens if somebody goes out
[35:06.920 --> 35:11.920]  and they have a piece of cake or they have that beer we're talking about
[35:11.920 --> 35:14.880]  that's got a bunch of carbs in it or some some other cheat?
[35:15.920 --> 35:20.000]  Well, the body rebels.
[35:21.560 --> 35:25.960]  Virtually everybody I know who's been in long term ketosis,
[35:26.520 --> 35:31.240]  who has a cheat day and again, I don't mean going from 30 grams to 36.
[35:31.240 --> 35:33.120]  I mean, a good cheat day.
[35:33.120 --> 35:37.000]  They feel like crap that evening.
[35:37.160 --> 35:39.640]  The next day, they literally feel sick,
[35:40.600 --> 35:42.600]  which brings me to another point.
[35:42.600 --> 35:44.800]  Somebody who eats a lot of carbohydrates
[35:45.560 --> 35:51.120]  and then decides to eat a lot of animal product, they don't get ill.
[35:52.000 --> 35:55.440]  But somebody who eats animal products predominantly
[35:55.560 --> 35:58.520]  and then turns around and eat carbs, they get physically ill.
[35:58.520 --> 36:01.960]  I think that's another again, for people who believe the body
[36:01.960 --> 36:06.000]  reacts rationally, that it has its logical systems
[36:06.720 --> 36:09.240]  like an engineering project, if you will.
[36:09.280 --> 36:13.040]  The fact that somebody who's been eating animal products for a year
[36:13.240 --> 36:15.360]  and then they have a piece of chocolate cake.
[36:16.440 --> 36:19.000]  And they get physically ill, a friend of mine,
[36:19.640 --> 36:25.440]  she went out and had a big ice cream sundae for her husband's birthday
[36:26.240 --> 36:29.480]  and literally went out in the parking lot and threw up sick to her stomach.
[36:29.480 --> 36:33.200]  OK, the fact that somebody who's eating predominantly proteins and fast
[36:33.200 --> 36:38.040]  turns around and eat carbs and gets physically ill should tell people something.
[36:38.200 --> 36:40.240]  And it doesn't work in the inverse.
[36:40.920 --> 36:42.000]  Doesn't happen.
[36:42.000 --> 36:44.800]  Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like as you're sharing it.
[36:44.800 --> 36:47.800]  My thought was it's almost like you're talking about beers.
[36:47.800 --> 36:49.800]  If you were using your cheat day to do beers and, you know,
[36:49.800 --> 36:52.120]  you get the proverbial hangover that a lot of people get,
[36:52.600 --> 36:54.600]  you know, the defender the day after.
[36:54.600 --> 36:57.040]  It's almost like your body is doing the equivalency of that
[36:57.040 --> 37:01.800]  with regard to food and the food intake, which is interesting.
[37:02.040 --> 37:05.600]  So basically, it's poison at that point to your body.
[37:05.600 --> 37:07.040]  Yeah, that's how your body is treating it,
[37:07.040 --> 37:09.200]  because it's accustomed now to eating clean and healthy.
[37:09.600 --> 37:13.840]  So have you thought about if you maybe you've talked about other groups?
[37:13.840 --> 37:14.760]  I just haven't heard it.
[37:14.760 --> 37:16.960]  So I'm going to ask the question for our audience for posterity.
[37:17.880 --> 37:21.040]  If somebody does have a cheat day, whether that's once a month,
[37:21.040 --> 37:23.120]  once every six months or a birthday, as you said,
[37:23.720 --> 37:27.680]  do you have an idea of the recovery time
[37:27.680 --> 37:33.040]  it takes the body to get back into ketosis from said cheat day?
[37:33.040 --> 37:35.320]  Good question. Thank you for asking it. Sure.
[37:35.920 --> 37:39.440]  A body that is well established in ketosis
[37:39.800 --> 37:44.400]  does not fall out of ketosis for a cheat day.
[37:44.720 --> 37:49.400]  OK, the reason for that is the cells are rejecting glucose.
[37:49.400 --> 37:53.560]  They don't want any. OK, so when somebody cheats
[37:53.560 --> 37:57.800]  and has that piece of chocolate cake, it doesn't change the cells.
[37:59.600 --> 38:01.680]  Preference at that point, that's well established.
[38:01.920 --> 38:04.440]  The cells are in that groove, so to speak.
[38:04.800 --> 38:08.800]  They're not going to suddenly say, Holy cow, John ate a piece of cake.
[38:09.000 --> 38:11.680]  We now we want to gobble up glucose for energy.
[38:11.680 --> 38:14.080]  That doesn't happen. It would take.
[38:15.280 --> 38:18.480]  Having a cheat day after a cheat day after a cheat day after a cheat day
[38:18.920 --> 38:23.120]  to reprogram that cell, those cells to want to consume glucose again.
[38:23.480 --> 38:24.880]  And I want to point out to your audience,
[38:24.880 --> 38:27.760]  and you know that I say this clearly in body science,
[38:28.800 --> 38:33.080]  the cells oxidizing glucose for energy is part of the body's
[38:33.080 --> 38:36.080]  emergency response to having way too many carbs in the system.
[38:37.080 --> 38:41.800]  Because we've grown up in this era of high carbohydrate consumption.
[38:42.680 --> 38:50.760]  The medical industry or the physiology industry says burning glucose is the way
[38:50.760 --> 38:55.800]  the body fuels the cells, which is completely inverse from the truth.
[38:57.520 --> 39:01.040]  Oxidizing glucose for energy is part
[39:01.040 --> 39:05.560]  of the body's mechanism of getting that crap out of the blood.
[39:06.360 --> 39:08.680]  It's like if you had a pile of trash,
[39:09.280 --> 39:13.520]  would you spend all day trying to bundle it up and get it somehow to the dump?
[39:13.760 --> 39:16.280]  Or if you had a furnace,
[39:16.280 --> 39:19.160]  you just toss it all right into the furnace and burn it up.
[39:19.640 --> 39:22.800]  That's exactly what the cells are doing when they burn glucose for energy.
[39:22.960 --> 39:25.160]  They're taking all that crap that's in the blood
[39:25.360 --> 39:27.080]  and they're getting it out of the blood.
[39:27.080 --> 39:28.600]  It's an emergency mechanism.
[39:28.600 --> 39:32.240]  It's not the way nature intends ourselves to be fueled.
[39:32.880 --> 39:34.040]  Great answer. Thank you, David.
[39:34.040 --> 39:37.840]  And it also goes to re-illustrate your point earlier about how brilliantly
[39:37.840 --> 39:42.640]  intelligent intuitive our body's design is in faith and also in logical,
[39:42.640 --> 39:47.720]  rational form that it self-regulates or filters out as a catch mechanism,
[39:47.720 --> 39:49.680]  if you will, through the liver and other things.
[39:50.600 --> 39:54.040]  In keeping with the complementary differences between men's and women's
[39:54.040 --> 39:56.440]  bodies and overall muscular and skeletal structure,
[39:56.880 --> 40:00.200]  we cannot underscore the importance of exercise in conjunction
[40:00.200 --> 40:02.360]  with the properly based ketosis diet.
[40:03.440 --> 40:06.080]  And again, this is a general topic, but in general,
[40:06.080 --> 40:09.840]  what exercise regimens would you recommend for both sexes
[40:09.840 --> 40:12.760]  in order to maintain said optimal ketosis levels?
[40:13.760 --> 40:15.560]  Good question. Thank you.
[40:15.560 --> 40:19.840]  So if we go back 50,000 years as an example,
[40:21.440 --> 40:24.040]  nobody was lifting rocks
[40:25.040 --> 40:27.760]  at so they could say, hey, Bob, I'm lifting.
[40:28.720 --> 40:29.880]  Nobody did that.
[40:29.880 --> 40:33.720]  Their exercise was they got exercise to exist.
[40:34.040 --> 40:36.920]  If they wanted to exist, their bodies got exercise.
[40:37.160 --> 40:40.240]  You want to build things, you want to move things, you want to hunt.
[40:40.560 --> 40:44.320]  You want to carry your buddy who broke his leg back to the tribe.
[40:44.400 --> 40:49.080]  Yeah. You exercise to live, although they didn't consider
[40:49.080 --> 40:50.920]  exercise at all, right?
[40:50.920 --> 40:53.680]  It's just you move your body if you want to live.
[40:54.200 --> 40:57.720]  And the same thing is true of the cardio side of it.
[40:57.720 --> 41:02.280]  I mean, in during the hunt, there was a lot of running done,
[41:03.000 --> 41:06.080]  in most cases. So.
[41:06.080 --> 41:09.640]  And the idea of play has always been in man's
[41:09.640 --> 41:13.320]  in man's heart and his mind to play today.
[41:13.320 --> 41:16.240]  We have this formalized thing, we have baseball, we have football,
[41:16.240 --> 41:19.880]  we have racquetball, but play has always been in human nature.
[41:20.040 --> 41:22.640]  So there would have been a lot of
[41:24.840 --> 41:28.600]  you know, screwing around, especially with young people and teens
[41:28.840 --> 41:31.120]  and sprinting and racing.
[41:31.120 --> 41:35.880]  So it was just a part of the human experience to exercise.
[41:35.880 --> 41:38.080]  So with that as the backdrop,
[41:38.080 --> 41:42.360]  what I encourage people to do is simply resistance training
[41:42.360 --> 41:43.880]  of one form or another.
[41:43.880 --> 41:47.400]  I don't care whether you're out there deadlifting 450 pounds
[41:47.680 --> 41:53.680]  or you've got, you know, bands and you're exercising using bands at home.
[41:53.840 --> 41:55.000]  I don't care.
[41:55.000 --> 41:58.160]  Get the resistance training in and get the cardio training in.
[41:58.160 --> 42:00.320]  Now, let's talk about resistance training for a moment.
[42:00.840 --> 42:05.160]  We talked about that, about the lymphatic system a little bit ago.
[42:05.680 --> 42:08.720]  And the lymphatic system is
[42:09.480 --> 42:12.600]  it would be difficult
[42:13.280 --> 42:16.680]  to understate the importance to our immune system of the lymph system.
[42:17.320 --> 42:20.080]  It is a critical part of our immune function.
[42:21.080 --> 42:22.480]  So.
[42:24.480 --> 42:28.440]  Lymph fluid, there's no pump like the heart for the cardiac system, OK?
[42:28.800 --> 42:32.040]  So the way lymph fluid moves throughout the lymphatic system,
[42:32.040 --> 42:34.480]  which is all throughout your body, just like the blood system,
[42:35.200 --> 42:38.240]  is the contraction and release, contraction and release,
[42:38.240 --> 42:41.000]  contraction and release of skeletal muscle.
[42:41.480 --> 42:44.760]  So I'm just going to use my bicep as an example, since you can see that on camera.
[42:45.000 --> 42:47.240]  If I want the lymph fluid to move,
[42:47.400 --> 42:50.880]  I contract and release and contract and release and contract and release.
[42:51.200 --> 42:55.240]  That act throughout my body moves the lymph fluid.
[42:56.640 --> 43:00.040]  So while a lot of people, like especially men, they'll go to the gym and,
[43:00.040 --> 43:03.440]  you know, chest day, and that's all they do, they do a bunch of sets of chest.
[43:03.760 --> 43:06.040]  I in my
[43:06.040 --> 43:08.680]  after going into ketosis more than seven years ago
[43:08.680 --> 43:12.200]  and evaluating exercise for true purpose,
[43:12.200 --> 43:15.360]  rather than the vanity or the accomplishment side of it.
[43:16.160 --> 43:20.480]  Now I try and work upper body and lower body every day
[43:20.480 --> 43:22.560]  because I want to move that lymphatic fluid.
[43:23.360 --> 43:26.880]  And of course, I don't think I need to explain the benefit of.
[43:28.520 --> 43:32.280]  Causing the blood and the heart to move more rapidly,
[43:32.280 --> 43:36.360]  the blood to move more rapidly throughout the body and the heart to facilitate that.
[43:36.600 --> 43:41.160]  I think here in 2025, everybody knows the benefits of cardio.
[43:41.640 --> 43:44.000]  However, I would say this.
[43:45.000 --> 43:47.080]  There is no health benefit.
[43:48.040 --> 43:50.600]  To extreme cardio.
[43:51.280 --> 43:55.840]  OK, now I'm not talking about performance benefit, just general health benefit.
[43:56.160 --> 43:59.320]  So if somebody I'm going to use arbitrary numbers here,
[43:59.600 --> 44:04.120]  if somebody goes out and runs three miles and each mile is, I don't know, a 10 minute mile.
[44:05.360 --> 44:08.040]  That person is going to is their their.
[44:09.280 --> 44:13.800]  Cardio system, the entire system that functions will be healthy.
[44:14.280 --> 44:16.480]  The guy that goes out and runs three miles.
[44:17.480 --> 44:20.000]  Six and a half minutes a mile.
[44:20.000 --> 44:21.760]  He's going to have better running performance,
[44:21.760 --> 44:24.920]  but his general health is not going to be any different than the guy
[44:24.920 --> 44:27.040]  who runs the 10 minute miles. Makes sense?
[44:27.480 --> 44:29.520]  Yeah, completely. Thank you for that.
[44:29.520 --> 44:31.720]  Just want to give people sort of a baseline of.
[44:33.040 --> 44:35.160]  Maybe a regimen, if they don't have that discipline,
[44:35.160 --> 44:37.680]  it kind of gives them a gateway, a road map to doing that.
[44:37.680 --> 44:39.840]  And so I'm glad you brought that up. Thank you.
[44:40.680 --> 44:42.960]  With we're talking about your daughter, you talk about going to your doctor.
[44:42.960 --> 44:44.800]  So, you know, we've touched on this before.
[44:44.800 --> 44:47.800]  So this will be familiar to you with respect to going to your doctor
[44:47.800 --> 44:49.040]  for an annual physical.
[44:49.040 --> 44:50.800]  Where do you when in the discussion?
[44:50.800 --> 44:55.000]  And after a talk with you about the difference between standard glucose
[44:55.000 --> 45:00.040]  based blood lab work versus the ketosis blood lab work that gets drawn up,
[45:00.880 --> 45:04.400]  how do you measure that and how do you help people sort of, you know,
[45:04.880 --> 45:07.600]  mentally prepare for the shift between those two worlds?
[45:08.400 --> 45:10.640]  Sure. Another excellent question.
[45:10.640 --> 45:15.680]  So, first of all, I think that we need to go to the 35000 foot level
[45:16.040 --> 45:21.800]  and acknowledge 100 percent of what the medical industry tells us
[45:21.800 --> 45:27.320]  is normal for our bodies, is based on bodies in glucose.
[45:28.480 --> 45:32.280]  The amount of research that's been done on people in ketosis
[45:32.680 --> 45:37.440]  is about as close to nil as you can get without actually being zero.
[45:37.680 --> 45:40.120]  I mean, for instance, the Navy SEALs have done some research
[45:40.120 --> 45:41.600]  into ketosis and so forth.
[45:41.600 --> 45:43.880]  A couple of researchers have done some research,
[45:43.880 --> 45:46.480]  but they do it for like three weeks and they're done. OK.
[45:46.760 --> 45:50.960]  There's been really no research done into what the norms are for ketosis.
[45:50.960 --> 45:54.840]  So I asked this question to illustrate the point.
[45:55.600 --> 45:58.520]  What's the proper blood pressure for a person in ketosis?
[46:00.640 --> 46:04.800]  Who knows? Because nobody has taken a pool of people
[46:04.800 --> 46:07.680]  who've lived in ketosis for for the sake of this illustration,
[46:07.680 --> 46:10.480]  we'll say a year, continuously in ketosis for a year
[46:10.720 --> 46:13.280]  and taken all of their blood pressure across the line.
[46:14.040 --> 46:17.400]  OK, that's the only way we know what the proper blood pressure is
[46:17.880 --> 46:20.680]  for a body in ketosis.
[46:20.680 --> 46:22.040]  Fasting blood sugar, right?
[46:22.040 --> 46:25.120]  The medical industry says it should be 99 or below.
[46:25.560 --> 46:28.320]  That's how that's anything above that's problematic,
[46:28.320 --> 46:32.320]  according to the health industry or the unhealth, the sick industry.
[46:33.040 --> 46:35.800]  However, what's the proper
[46:35.800 --> 46:39.080]  fasting blood sugar for a body in ketosis?
[46:40.560 --> 46:41.480]  Who knows?
[46:41.480 --> 46:44.960]  But I know from my consulting work with people who live in ketosis,
[46:45.200 --> 46:48.360]  that it's very common for somebody in long term ketosis
[46:48.640 --> 46:55.680]  to have a fasting blood glucose measurement of 101 or 103 or 105.
[46:56.560 --> 47:01.040]  And they're they're obviously consuming like nine grams of carbs a day.
[47:01.280 --> 47:02.840]  They're not insulin resistant.
[47:02.840 --> 47:03.920]  They're not diabetic.
[47:03.920 --> 47:07.040]  And then you ask questions like, OK, so
[47:07.520 --> 47:11.200]  if your fasting blood sugar and ketosis is high,
[47:11.200 --> 47:15.400]  every bite by traditional state, by glucose is high every day.
[47:16.240 --> 47:19.240]  That's going to affect your A1C score. OK.
[47:19.560 --> 47:22.600]  So there's all of these moving parts.
[47:22.600 --> 47:26.080]  And people often become concerned because some people
[47:26.080 --> 47:27.800]  I'm going to use carnivore as an example.
[47:27.800 --> 47:29.720]  Some people launch into the carnivore diet.
[47:29.720 --> 47:35.240]  They're on carnivore for four months and their cholesterol drops.
[47:35.840 --> 47:38.240]  Some people I would be such an example.
[47:39.360 --> 47:42.960]  I've been in ketosis more than seven years, more than five years
[47:42.960 --> 47:47.560]  eating carnivore, and my cholesterol is sky high
[47:48.000 --> 47:50.600]  and by by, again, glucose standards.
[47:50.880 --> 47:57.120]  And I love it because my body is producing cholesterol is a healing substance.
[47:57.920 --> 47:59.800]  And I do a lot of brain work.
[47:59.800 --> 48:01.040]  I do a lot of physical work.
[48:01.040 --> 48:04.440]  And my body is producing the level of cholesterol
[48:04.760 --> 48:09.640]  that I need for my body to heal all the stuff I've got going on.
[48:09.640 --> 48:11.640]  And I don't mean heal that something's injured.
[48:11.640 --> 48:16.920]  That's not what I mean to to heal in the sense of keeping my body healthy.
[48:17.960 --> 48:23.200]  And so people need to get over the whole cholesterol dynamic.
[48:23.200 --> 48:26.200]  They've been programmed for the faults cholesterol dynamic.
[48:26.200 --> 48:28.840]  They've been programmed for the last 60 years.
[48:28.840 --> 48:31.280]  But back to the people who are in ketosis,
[48:32.000 --> 48:37.520]  I provide consulting for people who want to have their blood tests interpreted
[48:38.600 --> 48:41.080]  because their doctors can't really interpret them correctly
[48:41.080 --> 48:43.320]  because their doctors don't know anything about ketosis.
[48:44.640 --> 48:48.640]  So the doctor may say, well, this is problematic or that looks bad
[48:48.640 --> 48:50.760]  or I have concerns about this.
[48:50.760 --> 48:54.200]  Oh, I need to put you on statins because the doctor
[48:54.920 --> 48:57.720]  he got out of medical school a thousand years ago.
[48:57.720 --> 48:59.600]  He hasn't kept up on the research
[48:59.600 --> 49:03.120]  and he's just regurgitating medical industry dogma crap.
[49:04.440 --> 49:08.040]  So if you have any of your viewers who want personal consulting
[49:08.040 --> 49:13.040]  on the other blood tests to understand how to interpret their blood tests
[49:13.400 --> 49:16.200]  in light of being in ketosis, they can always reach out to me.
[49:17.160 --> 49:19.720]  Definitely. And also, as you as you know, Dave,
[49:20.800 --> 49:22.800]  I learned this from your book in part with others
[49:22.800 --> 49:25.000]  that your brain is at least 60% fat.
[49:25.000 --> 49:27.720]  So you want to propagate and encourage that
[49:27.720 --> 49:30.440]  because you just need to reverse engineer what we've been taught,
[49:30.680 --> 49:33.120]  just like with other things in life, financial and so forth.
[49:33.120 --> 49:35.440]  We've touched on the trust and doctors.
[49:35.440 --> 49:39.240]  I found what largely times I've my experience has been that doctors
[49:39.600 --> 49:40.720]  are not nutritionists.
[49:40.720 --> 49:43.440]  Their training and nutrition is woefully inadequate.
[49:43.880 --> 49:47.200]  And so they're just giving you the default of what they've been trained,
[49:47.480 --> 49:50.080]  which is a large part of the agenda.
[49:50.360 --> 49:52.320]  So, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.
[49:53.360 --> 49:55.760]  I tell people in the public space all the time,
[49:55.920 --> 49:57.760]  if you want to have a heart attack, follow the advice
[49:57.760 --> 49:59.080]  of the American Heart Association.
[49:59.080 --> 50:02.200]  If you want to be a diabetic, follow the advice of the American Diabetic
[50:02.200 --> 50:04.840]  Association. The whole.
[50:05.880 --> 50:10.600]  Establishment dynamic is 180 degrees opposed from reality,
[50:11.040 --> 50:14.120]  but but it serves a purpose.
[50:14.360 --> 50:19.240]  And that purpose is huge profits for big med, big farm and big food.
[50:19.680 --> 50:21.160]  That's that's the goal.
[50:21.160 --> 50:22.640]  Exactly, exactly.
[50:22.640 --> 50:27.160]  And we see that with what just happened a week ago with prescription drugs
[50:27.160 --> 50:29.360]  coming down up to 80 percent.
[50:29.760 --> 50:32.480]  But I will. This is a protracted conversation.
[50:32.480 --> 50:35.560]  But why I'm encouraged about that, Dave, is because I think that's leading
[50:35.560 --> 50:39.640]  to the ultimate introduction of med beds, which is not an excuse
[50:39.640 --> 50:40.600]  to not get healthy.
[50:40.600 --> 50:44.960]  It's just a pathway of the health that's going away from the allopathic
[50:44.960 --> 50:48.120]  industry we've known and the whole barbaric practices of that.
[50:48.120 --> 50:51.160]  It's very encouraging for for what's to come on the horizon.
[50:51.160 --> 50:52.640]  That was my point.
[50:52.640 --> 50:54.440]  Barbaric. Good word, by the way, for that.
[50:54.440 --> 50:55.280]  Yeah, it's perfect.
[50:55.280 --> 50:58.680]  Well, you know, you hear it in movies so often it starts to sink in.
[50:58.680 --> 51:00.680]  But I think it's quite apropos to your point.
[51:01.720 --> 51:05.320]  This is sort of a question that kind of circles back to the genesis
[51:05.320 --> 51:07.440]  of this podcast with you in the beginning.
[51:07.440 --> 51:09.600]  But I thought it would bear repeating.
[51:09.600 --> 51:13.080]  As you said, all of our lives, we've been lied to by the American
[51:13.080 --> 51:16.840]  Medical Association about fat and carb, proper distribution.
[51:16.840 --> 51:19.240]  Meat is bad for you and fat is bad for you.
[51:19.240 --> 51:21.640]  And but, you know, have a certain amount of carbs and so on and so forth.
[51:21.640 --> 51:22.840]  You touched on that.
[51:22.840 --> 51:27.040]  Thankfully, your book flies contrapuntal to the American diet standard diet agenda.
[51:27.560 --> 51:31.480]  Can you articulate a little bit as to why, you know, the AMA is wrong
[51:31.480 --> 51:34.640]  and how the proper amount of meat intake as well as salt
[51:35.000 --> 51:36.880]  is actually quite good for you.
[51:36.880 --> 51:40.080]  And what the truth is, the truth is in direct conflict
[51:40.080 --> 51:43.600]  from everything that we've been misled is for many, many generations.
[51:45.280 --> 51:46.680]  Sure. Thank you.
[51:46.680 --> 51:48.440]  So, first of all.
[51:50.320 --> 51:53.200]  The only information
[51:53.200 --> 51:56.760]  the media puts out is what big food, big pharma and big med wants put out.
[51:57.920 --> 52:00.120]  For instance, most Americans are unaware
[52:00.480 --> 52:04.440]  that there was a study that came to fruition around 2000
[52:04.720 --> 52:07.520]  that showed women with high cholesterol lived longer than women
[52:07.520 --> 52:09.480]  who don't have high cholesterol, right?
[52:09.480 --> 52:12.040]  Nobody's aware that that study even exists, right?
[52:13.040 --> 52:16.880]  So when you ask, how do I know that the medical industry is wrong?
[52:16.880 --> 52:18.560]  Well, because I read these studies.
[52:18.560 --> 52:22.200]  So where the average American reads what they see in the press
[52:22.200 --> 52:25.560]  or they watch television, I actually spend my days reading these studies.
[52:25.560 --> 52:29.800]  So I know they exist and I know and I have looked at the
[52:30.640 --> 52:34.640]  fake science studies and broken down how their protocols
[52:34.640 --> 52:38.360]  were intended to come up with a preconceived conclusion and so forth.
[52:38.800 --> 52:41.440]  There's also just the obvious.
[52:41.440 --> 52:42.840]  And let me share one example.
[52:43.440 --> 52:48.440]  You've probably seen the headlines that high consumption of red meat
[52:48.760 --> 52:50.960]  is associated with type two diabetes.
[52:51.960 --> 52:56.000]  OK, now, you know, it would be hard to imagine a more absurd claim.
[52:57.600 --> 53:02.640]  However, do we need to go to a science lab to prove that's wrong?
[53:02.840 --> 53:03.640]  No, we don't.
[53:03.640 --> 53:07.200]  So let's say for the sake of argument that there's a scientific
[53:07.200 --> 53:12.840]  argument that there's a million Americans, which is far less than one percent.
[53:12.840 --> 53:16.400]  Right. So there's let's say there's a million Americans eating carnivore right now.
[53:16.880 --> 53:22.240]  So you would expect then in a community of a million people
[53:22.240 --> 53:25.880]  eating nothing but animal source food, primarily red meat,
[53:26.120 --> 53:29.040]  you would expect type two diabetes, according to the headline,
[53:29.240 --> 53:33.360]  according to the studies claim, you would expect the carnivore
[53:33.360 --> 53:35.920]  community to be rife with type two diabetes.
[53:37.240 --> 53:42.000]  In reality, you can't find a single person
[53:42.000 --> 53:44.240]  in the carnivore community that has type two diabetes.
[53:44.880 --> 53:48.480]  OK, so it's simple enough to disprove them
[53:48.960 --> 53:51.960]  without even needing to go to the basis of science.
[53:52.880 --> 53:57.960]  All we have to do is use our sense of rational thought and observation
[53:58.520 --> 54:00.640]  to determine that they are completely false.
[54:00.640 --> 54:03.720]  Now, you mentioned salt, and I'm glad you did, because I want to talk about that.
[54:04.720 --> 54:08.920]  Ancient man consumed a lot more salt than we do today.
[54:09.760 --> 54:11.280]  There are several reasons for that.
[54:11.280 --> 54:14.040]  One of the modern reasons is salt has been vilified.
[54:14.040 --> 54:16.640]  Right. Everybody has been told, cut your salt down again.
[54:16.840 --> 54:19.200]  Just just like all the other advice.
[54:19.200 --> 54:23.880]  This is if you want to be healthy, do exactly opposite of what they suggest.
[54:24.320 --> 54:28.640]  So and most Americans are probably not aware.
[54:28.760 --> 54:32.360]  If we go back in history, I mean, thousands of years ago,
[54:32.520 --> 54:36.200]  wars were fought for access to salt.
[54:36.360 --> 54:39.200]  OK, that's how helpful it is.
[54:39.200 --> 54:42.440]  So I'm going to use my don't like to typically use myself as an example.
[54:42.440 --> 54:44.560]  But I think it's important here
[54:46.800 --> 54:51.120]  because I can't access the same kind of salty meats
[54:51.120 --> 54:54.000]  and whatnot that my ancestors did, my ancient ancestors.
[54:54.480 --> 54:58.640]  I consume probably in the neighborhood of about 3000 grams of salt.
[54:58.920 --> 55:01.040]  I'm sorry, three grams, 3000 units,
[55:01.680 --> 55:04.600]  three grams of salt via dietary consumption.
[55:05.880 --> 55:12.520]  I then consume another 11 to 12 grams of salt via supplementation.
[55:13.400 --> 55:19.040]  So I'm depending on the day, I'm at 13 to 15 grams of salt a day.
[55:20.160 --> 55:24.800]  The medical industry would tell you that anything over two point
[55:24.800 --> 55:27.400]  three grams is problematic for your health.
[55:28.280 --> 55:30.960]  So guess who's in incredible health?
[55:31.520 --> 55:37.000]  Us. OK, at 13 to 15 grams every single day.
[55:37.160 --> 55:40.200]  And one of the things that some people complain of when they're in carnivore
[55:40.200 --> 55:42.520]  is that after they've been on carnivore for a while,
[55:42.880 --> 55:46.840]  they start getting like leg cramps at night or they get cramps when they're exercising.
[55:47.560 --> 55:53.480]  So I didn't increase my salt for this reason, but coincidentally,
[55:54.640 --> 55:57.600]  when I increased my salt to the levels I just discussed.
[55:57.720 --> 55:59.840]  I mean, everybody gets an occasional leg cramp,
[56:00.040 --> 56:05.960]  but the kind of leg cramps that I got that I attributed to to being in ketosis
[56:05.960 --> 56:08.920]  in the carnivore diet, as soon as I ate my salt, they all went away.
[56:09.160 --> 56:16.160]  So what I did is I put more sodium into the interstitial tissues of my body,
[56:17.440 --> 56:23.640]  which provided the level of cell cell to cell signaling
[56:23.880 --> 56:26.160]  that was necessary to prevent the cramps.
[56:26.160 --> 56:30.160]  I mean, this is, yeah, OK, so it's a little sciencey, but it's not rocket science.
[56:30.720 --> 56:34.160]  You're right. Right. Right. It's interesting, Dave, because I've noticed being
[56:34.160 --> 56:38.600]  since I've been on the largely based ketosis carnivore diet
[56:38.600 --> 56:41.000]  that we discussed a year ago, since I've been implementing it.
[56:41.400 --> 56:43.600]  I noticed weight loss within the first 10 days.
[56:43.600 --> 56:46.800]  Very quick, just cutting out bread and potatoes, for example.
[56:47.600 --> 56:52.560]  Playing basketball between proper stretching and salt intake
[56:53.080 --> 56:57.520]  before and after, you know, typically I do like, you know, steak and eggs
[56:57.520 --> 56:59.520]  after a workout, for example.
[56:59.520 --> 57:04.160]  And then I also use a very pure beet extract product in the water
[57:04.200 --> 57:05.800]  that helps open up my capillaries.
[57:05.800 --> 57:07.920]  I've noticed that my lactic acid
[57:09.280 --> 57:12.840]  effects in the calves, particularly basketball, is almost.
[57:14.280 --> 57:16.680]  So to your point, in my own personal case study,
[57:16.680 --> 57:19.800]  I've noticed implementing salt in the protein, for example,
[57:20.160 --> 57:21.440]  I think has played a large role.
[57:21.440 --> 57:25.320]  It's contributory to the lack of cramping or lactic acid built up
[57:25.320 --> 57:27.440]  that's normally associated after that kind of workout.
[57:28.360 --> 57:32.360]  May I share a personal experience about exercising ketosis?
[57:32.840 --> 57:35.960]  So when I was living in glucose, I've always been I've been in the gym 40 years.
[57:35.960 --> 57:38.000]  I've always been a big gym guy.
[57:38.000 --> 57:42.120]  And prior to when I was in glucoses, probably like most people,
[57:42.360 --> 57:46.840]  my muscles would get sore after the day or two after a workout.
[57:47.000 --> 57:49.120]  Guys that do a lot of bench pressing, they'll laugh about this.
[57:49.120 --> 57:50.680]  Your buddy comes up and he does this.
[57:50.680 --> 57:54.000]  He pokes you in the back like, yeah, right, because it's so sore.
[57:55.240 --> 57:56.920]  In ketosis, I don't get that anymore.
[57:56.920 --> 58:00.760]  But here's the interesting thing that I was not ready for.
[58:01.560 --> 58:05.640]  In glucoses, my my muscles would.
[58:08.160 --> 58:10.920]  Be uncomfortable post workout, right?
[58:11.240 --> 58:13.520]  They'd be sore, they'd be tight, whatever.
[58:15.400 --> 58:17.000]  In ketosis, they don't.
[58:17.040 --> 58:20.160]  I don't get sore like I used to ever, no matter how hard I push.
[58:20.920 --> 58:25.920]  But if I don't work a muscle group out, it lets me know
[58:26.400 --> 58:31.760]  everything starts tightening up and the tightness is uncomfortable.
[58:32.120 --> 58:34.840]  So that's my body telling me, OK,
[58:35.840 --> 58:39.440]  at least in the part of this part of your body, you're not you're not moving.
[58:39.600 --> 58:41.400]  You're not getting the movement you need to.
[58:41.400 --> 58:44.360]  So, for instance, if my back is really tight, I'll go into the gym
[58:44.680 --> 58:47.680]  and I'll do a tremendous back workout.
[58:48.640 --> 58:50.040]  And where most people in glucose
[58:50.040 --> 58:51.920]  would be like, oh, God, I did a back workout.
[58:51.920 --> 58:55.360]  My back is so my back is like, thank you.
[58:55.880 --> 58:58.600]  And it doesn't it doesn't hurt or feel tight or anything.
[58:58.800 --> 59:00.800]  All of that goes away as soon as I work it.
[59:01.760 --> 59:02.280]  You're absolutely right.
[59:02.280 --> 59:04.600]  Because, again, using it in my world of basketball,
[59:04.840 --> 59:08.360]  I noticed a lot of guys afterwards are like, oh, my back is tensed up
[59:08.360 --> 59:09.760]  as opposed to their calves.
[59:09.760 --> 59:13.360]  And that's your body telling you my experience that your core is not strong
[59:13.360 --> 59:16.080]  enough, that you need to increase your core to compensate.
[59:16.480 --> 59:20.120]  And as I've been working a balance in my life between, you know,
[59:20.120 --> 59:23.720]  core and cardio with, you know, planks and certain push ups, military style.
[59:24.360 --> 59:25.720]  I've noticed a stronger core.
[59:25.720 --> 59:28.360]  I haven't had as much of a problematic issue as I have in the past.
[59:28.400 --> 59:29.560]  Like some of these guys are experiencing.
[59:29.560 --> 59:33.840]  So I can attest to what you're saying is is, you know, validated through,
[59:33.880 --> 59:36.600]  you know, personal experience. So you're absolutely right.
[59:36.600 --> 59:39.080]  Well, Dave, as we close up this podcast for today,
[59:39.080 --> 59:41.320]  I want to respect your time, as always.
[59:41.640 --> 59:44.520]  We're going to leave the link in description for your book, Body Science.
[59:44.760 --> 59:47.400]  Where can people get it and where can they find your work?
[59:47.400 --> 59:50.280]  And what last thoughts do you have for the audience today?
[59:50.280 --> 59:52.680]  They can get the book at the website, which is Dr.
[59:52.680 --> 59:57.280]  Reality, that's our reality dot news, not dot com dot news.
[59:57.480 --> 59:59.160]  And if they want to reach out to me personally,
[59:59.160 --> 01:00:02.320]  they can reach out to me at Dave at Dr. Reality dot news.
[01:00:03.240 --> 01:00:06.440]  Right. Any any last thoughts for the audience today in general?
[01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:09.400]  No, we've covered a lot of great things.
[01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:11.000]  Thank you for the wonderful questions.
[01:00:11.560 --> 01:00:15.400]  Thanks for your professionalism and always having great deep dive intel.
[01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:16.520]  I appreciate it.
[01:00:16.520 --> 01:00:19.000]  And we will, of course, folks, leave those links in description
[01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:20.480]  as we have in the past.
[01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:22.160]  Dave Champion, we thank you for being here.
[01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:24.720]  Good sir. Nice to have you back as a reprise from last year.
[01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:25.640]  Appreciate you.
[01:00:25.640 --> 01:00:30.200]  We salute you on this posthumous memorial day coming up here
[01:00:30.200 --> 01:00:33.560]  for all of our friends and family who have served past, present and future.
[01:00:33.600 --> 01:00:35.560]  Thank you for your service.
[01:00:35.560 --> 01:00:37.160]  And we hope you have a great weekend
[01:00:37.160 --> 01:00:39.520]  and we will look forward to bringing you back on again,
[01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.400]  hopefully next month, where you had some updates as far as the income tax,
[01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.800]  which will be exciting to see what you have for that.
[01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.960]  So we'll leave that as a teaser.
[01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:49.240]  All right. Thank you, John.
[01:00:49.240 --> 01:00:50.800]  Thanks, Dave. Pleasure.
[01:00:52.040 --> 01:00:53.840]  I hope you enjoyed the interview.
[01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.240]  Let's take a moment and switch from health to income tax.
[01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.720]  I haven't filed an income tax return or paid a penny of income tax in 32 years.
[01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:05.720]  I wrote the bestselling book in the country that reveals the truth
[01:01:05.720 --> 01:01:09.240]  of the income tax doesn't apply to the vast majority of Americans.
[01:01:09.640 --> 01:01:11.360]  I speak about it nationally,
[01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:14.040]  and the United States Department of Justice's tax division
[01:01:14.040 --> 01:01:17.560]  has acknowledged having my book Income Tax Shattering the Myths.
[01:01:18.040 --> 01:01:22.120]  So why am I sitting here
[01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.960]  free as a bird, never heard from the IRS
[01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:30.240]  32 years after filing my last income tax return?
[01:01:30.600 --> 01:01:37.240]  Simple, because I'm different than 99.9 percent of the American public.
[01:01:38.040 --> 01:01:40.360]  How am I different?
[01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:45.080]  I'm different in that I've actually read what the law says.
[01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.240]  Let me briefly explain how society's understanding of income tax works.
[01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:56.280]  You pay income tax because you believe what people have told you.
[01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:00.920]  And those people told you you have to pay income tax
[01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:03.760]  because someone told them.
[01:02:04.120 --> 01:02:07.360]  And on and on, it goes with millions of people
[01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.400]  telling millions of other people they have to they are required to file and pay
[01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:17.960]  all of those millions of people just repeating what somebody else told them.
[01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:22.240]  None of them ever bothering to look at the law.
[01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:26.120]  Unlike my fellow citizens, 32 years ago,
[01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:31.640]  I decided I wanted to know whether what everybody was saying was true or not.
[01:02:31.720 --> 01:02:34.480]  So I read the law for myself.
[01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:35.600]  What a concept.
[01:02:35.600 --> 01:02:38.560]  I discovered that what everybody was telling me and what they've been
[01:02:38.560 --> 01:02:41.720]  telling you is not true.
[01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.480]  It's not factual.
[01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.560]  It's not what the law says.
[01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:48.600]  I totally get it when somebody says,
[01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:50.680]  I don't have the time to read through mountains of tax law.
[01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:56.360]  I understand because it took me 17 years of reading tax law before I felt
[01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.880]  I had sufficient command of the mountains of incontrovertible facts
[01:03:01.160 --> 01:03:03.480]  to write income tax shattering the mess.
[01:03:04.040 --> 01:03:07.840]  My point is that you do not need to spend copious amounts of time
[01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:11.920]  that you don't have reading tax law to learn that you've been
[01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:15.720]  pumped full of government disinformation your whole life.
[01:03:16.120 --> 01:03:20.520]  All you need to do is read one single book
[01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.360]  and you will know the truth of the income tax.
[01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:25.800]  Only when you know the truth
[01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:30.240]  can you decide whether you want to safely walk away from the scam
[01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:32.240]  and keep what's yours.
[01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:34.480]  The famous American philosopher John Dewey said,
[01:03:35.200 --> 01:03:41.240]  a society that teaches conformity produces citizens who fear freedom.
[01:03:43.080 --> 01:03:46.240]  I believe we're there and perhaps have been there for some time.
[01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.440]  If you are one of the remaining Americans who've not been socialized
[01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:55.280]  to fear freedom, you're going to love income tax
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[01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:22.400]  Thank you for being here. Take care. Have a great day.