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[00:00.800 --> 00:11.280]  I'm Dave Champion, 2020 and 2021. Years in which it seems to me, facts aren't really important.
[00:12.160 --> 00:18.400]  Emotion is important. Ginning up everybody's anxiety and their angst and their anger,
[00:19.280 --> 00:26.800]  that's important. Facts, not so much. So let's talk about Parlor being shut down.
[00:30.000 --> 00:41.360]  Before I get rolling, let me tell you that I'm on Parlor or was on Parlor until last night.
[00:41.360 --> 00:48.800]  So I'm not some uninvolved third party from the outside looking in. I mean, I'm within
[00:48.800 --> 00:53.280]  the Parlor community. But unlike most of the people who are squawking about this,
[00:53.280 --> 00:59.920]  I actually acknowledge the facts of what went down. The claim is, of course, that Amazon and
[00:59.920 --> 01:06.000]  Apple and Google and other large tech companies are trying to suppress conservative speech.
[01:06.000 --> 01:10.400]  Now, I'm not going to get into that today. We can have that conversation on another day,
[01:11.280 --> 01:16.000]  but it's not relevant to Parlor. Let me give you an example. Let's say I was a cop and I pulled
[01:16.000 --> 01:20.800]  somebody over for doing 90 miles an hour in a school zone. And while I'm talking to him,
[01:20.800 --> 01:26.560]  writing out his citation, he sees that I'm writing out that citation. And he says, man,
[01:26.560 --> 01:34.000]  you're out to get me. So I'm writing out the citation. Were you doing 90 in a school zone?
[01:34.720 --> 01:39.840]  Well, yeah. All right. So if you want to accuse me of being out to get you, perhaps that conversation
[01:39.840 --> 01:46.240]  would be better had on a time when you weren't grossly violating the law. Okay. So you see the
[01:46.240 --> 01:50.480]  distinction there. Whether or not, playing the role of the officer, whether or not I was actually
[01:50.480 --> 01:56.240]  out to get him, he was guilty of the offense. How many of you actually know the reason
[01:57.040 --> 02:03.440]  that Apple gave for taking the Parlor app down from the Apple App Store?
[02:04.560 --> 02:10.400]  How many of you know the reason that Google gave for removing the Parlor app from Google Play?
[02:11.840 --> 02:18.320]  How many of you know the reason that Amazon gave for no longer hosting Parlor's website
[02:18.320 --> 02:24.640]  on its hosting service? Should I sit here and wait? Do you actually know the reason any of those
[02:24.640 --> 02:29.280]  companies provided? In the wake of the violent insurrection against the U.S. Constitution that
[02:29.280 --> 02:39.760]  took place on Wednesday, January 6, 2021, Apple and Google and Amazon took note of something,
[02:39.760 --> 02:46.880]  actually a couple of somethings. Number one, they found people on Parlor who were talking about
[02:46.880 --> 02:53.520]  committing acts of violence when they went to D.C. They were coordinating their actions concerning
[02:53.520 --> 03:01.520]  violence when they arrived in D.C. That wasn't necessarily so bad. I mean, people will do stupid
[03:01.520 --> 03:05.840]  things like that on social media. That's part of what the FBI is looking at now. For instance,
[03:05.840 --> 03:10.880]  they've given Facebook in order to retain all digital information that whether it was a
[03:10.880 --> 03:17.360]  discussion about anybody being in D.C. on or around January 6 concerning the Trump speech or
[03:17.360 --> 03:21.600]  the events at the Capitol building so that they can go in and they can see what these people were
[03:21.600 --> 03:27.520]  saying they intended to do because intent, 99% of the time, a big part of criminal law. So the FBI
[03:27.520 --> 03:36.080]  is using their own comments to show intent. But back to Parlor, Apple, Google, and Amazon
[03:36.960 --> 03:43.600]  reached out to Parlor and said, we understand people will say stupid, boneheaded stuff.
[03:43.600 --> 03:48.640]  They will say illegal stuff. They will attempt to conspire to commit acts of violence even
[03:49.280 --> 03:55.440]  where it's plainly visible on social media. So, Parlor, recognizing that those things can and
[03:55.440 --> 04:02.240]  do happen and you own the platform, you need to put in place a viable, efficacious system
[04:02.240 --> 04:07.600]  where you can identify in a timely manner those kind of statements pertaining to violence,
[04:07.600 --> 04:12.160]  advocating violence, inciting violence, attempting to plan violence or coordinate violence.
[04:12.160 --> 04:20.640]  You need to be able to find those and remove those relatively quickly, just like many of these
[04:20.640 --> 04:31.120]  other platforms do. Well, Parlor's CEO said, well, okay, we'll use volunteers for that.
[04:32.000 --> 04:36.800]  So, come on. Is there anybody in their right mind who believes that's a viable,
[04:36.800 --> 04:45.600]  efficacious program? So, imagine if you had people who totally supported the idea of a
[04:45.600 --> 04:51.200]  violent insurrection against the Constitution by invading the Capitol building as volunteer
[04:51.200 --> 04:56.400]  moderators. How many of you think that they would actually take down stuff they agree with? Yeah,
[04:56.400 --> 05:04.160]  right. And of course, if it's true that Parlor is overwhelmingly right wing, the idea that your
[05:04.240 --> 05:08.880]  volunteers, you can't control because you're not paying them. It's not like you give somebody a
[05:08.880 --> 05:12.080]  job and they're getting paid for the job and if they don't do it, they get fired and then they
[05:12.080 --> 05:15.760]  can't pay their rent and this and that. It's not like that. If they're volunteers, there's
[05:15.760 --> 05:21.680]  absolutely no consequence if they go, yeah, okay, I'll do that and just ignore the whole thing.
[05:21.680 --> 05:26.720]  No consequence whatsoever. So, the volunteer thing. I mean, I literally read his statement
[05:26.720 --> 05:35.360]  about using volunteers and I was like, does he really think that Apple and Google and Amazon
[05:35.360 --> 05:40.080]  or any other large company is going to go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. Do that volunteer thing.
[05:40.080 --> 05:44.720]  That works. That meets the standard. So, why didn't Parlor just step up and say, yeah, okay,
[05:44.720 --> 05:50.400]  we'll hire some moderators and we'll get the software that's required to do that and we'll
[05:50.400 --> 05:54.640]  start tracking those things down and remove them. We'll create a viable, efficacious program that
[05:54.640 --> 05:58.960]  does that. We'll do it. You got it. Keep me on the App Store, the Apple App Store. Keep me in the
[05:58.960 --> 06:04.560]  Google Play Store. Amazon, don't remove us from your hosting service because we're going to do
[06:04.560 --> 06:12.160]  exactly what you're asking us to do. Why didn't they do that? Okay, so being on Parlor, I didn't
[06:12.160 --> 06:18.000]  discern any way that they could make any significant amount of revenue. So, I've wondered
[06:19.120 --> 06:22.640]  how they just kept the damn thing up and operating, how they kept the doors of the company open.
[06:23.360 --> 06:30.880]  They were asked to put this moderating service in place to find and remove these statements
[06:30.880 --> 06:36.560]  concerning violence. Parlor didn't have the money to do that. That's my guess. I don't have their
[06:36.560 --> 06:40.640]  financial statement, but that's my guess. They were like, how are we going to afford without a
[06:40.640 --> 06:45.920]  revenue base? How are we going to afford to go out and pay God knows how many people to sit around
[06:45.920 --> 06:51.600]  operating the software day in and day out, 24 hours a day to do this? We don't have the money for that.
[06:51.600 --> 06:57.920]  I'm guessing that was exactly what the CEO was thinking when the demand was made. I understand.
[06:57.920 --> 07:02.240]  I get it. I can just see his thought process. I understand. I get it. All the other platforms
[07:02.240 --> 07:08.000]  are doing that, but I can't afford to do that. Another platform, it's more like Facebook than
[07:08.000 --> 07:14.640]  it is Twitter, but it's considered fairly right wing, is Miwi. And I'm on Miwi as well. However,
[07:14.640 --> 07:22.080]  Miwi has a revenue program in place. In order to do certain things, you have to purchase and
[07:22.080 --> 07:26.880]  upgrade. The basic service is there. That's what I use. If you want to do other things,
[07:26.880 --> 07:35.280]  if you want to do more things, you want to be more active on Miwi, I think it's like a $4 a month
[07:35.280 --> 07:40.240]  subscription fee. Very modest, right? And then you can also advertise. You can pay Miwi. It's
[07:40.240 --> 07:43.680]  not targeted advertising like Facebook because they don't gather the kind of information that
[07:43.680 --> 07:48.800]  Facebook does as part of the Miwi privacy thing. But nevertheless, you can pay to have Miwi run
[07:48.800 --> 07:57.120]  ads on the Miwi platform. There are two systems of generating revenue. Miwi does have a valid,
[07:57.120 --> 08:03.840]  efficacious moderation system that finds and timely removes people who are talking about
[08:03.840 --> 08:09.200]  committing acts of violence, planning acts of violence, inciting acts of violence, or coordinating
[08:09.280 --> 08:17.440]  acts of violence. So you notice if we compare the two, no one has threatened Miwi because Miwi
[08:17.440 --> 08:28.240]  has that in place. Now I want to draw a distinction between moderating things a platform's management
[08:28.240 --> 08:35.440]  just doesn't like, which is what Facebook does abundantly. It's moderators. I mean, I don't,
[08:35.440 --> 08:40.160]  if there's any oversight, I've never noticed it. They're moderators. Well, we don't like what you
[08:40.160 --> 08:46.800]  said. Yeah, but look, I'm citing like 27 professional sources. We don't care. We don't like the message
[08:46.800 --> 08:50.960]  wrong. You're lying. You're lying. You're lying. You're spreading false and misleading information.
[08:50.960 --> 08:58.000]  Okay, so that is clearly problematic. However, what was it a couple years back at that
[08:58.000 --> 09:04.960]  right-wing rally where Heather Hoyer was murdered? People were saying something about
[09:05.600 --> 09:10.960]  we're not going to let the Jews take us over or some crazy shit like that. And to prevent the Jews
[09:10.960 --> 09:17.920]  from taking us over, whatever the hell that means, we should go murder this rabbi here in the U.S.
[09:17.920 --> 09:23.040]  Yeah, and hey, Bob and Frank and meet, yeah, let's all go and murder him next week.
[09:23.520 --> 09:30.720]  Does anybody think that belongs anywhere? More to the point. I can't think of any publication, large
[09:30.720 --> 09:39.600]  or small or television or radio and then coming to social media. I just can't think of in my entire
[09:39.600 --> 09:48.800]  life any company running any sort of media service ever that would say, yeah, it's okay to go ahead
[09:48.800 --> 09:52.560]  and put up that thing about you guys are all going to coordinate next week to go murder this rabbi.
[09:53.440 --> 10:00.800]  Nobody would do that in my whole life. And up until recently, nobody saw a problem with taking
[10:00.800 --> 10:07.840]  down that kind of content. Large corporations, they don't want people using their resources,
[10:07.840 --> 10:13.840]  their company, whatever their company is putting out, to advocate for committing violence or
[10:13.840 --> 10:19.040]  committing crimes or organizing it, planning it according. Nobody. Nobody. My whole life,
[10:19.680 --> 10:24.400]  up until just like this last year, in my whole life, nobody thought that was a really skippy
[10:24.400 --> 10:30.320]  idea to let people do that. Suddenly in the last year, when companies, just like they always have
[10:30.320 --> 10:35.200]  my whole life, have said, no, no, no, no, no, that is impermissible. Free speech is one thing,
[10:35.200 --> 10:38.640]  but advocating violence against specific individuals, planning it, coordinating,
[10:38.640 --> 10:45.120]  et cetera, no, no, no, that has to be shut down. Suddenly in the last year, that's contentious.
[10:45.120 --> 10:50.320]  I don't get it. But what this all comes back to concerning Parler is that Parler had no
[10:50.320 --> 10:55.840]  viable efficacious system in place to do that. And when they were told, we don't want to mess
[10:55.840 --> 11:02.160]  with you, just do this, just put this system to find and remove those kinds of comments,
[11:03.200 --> 11:11.120]  we're all good. Parler didn't, probably because Parler couldn't. But nevertheless, it didn't.
[11:11.120 --> 11:16.480]  And so when Parler didn't put in a viable, efficacious program to achieve those aims,
[11:17.040 --> 11:21.280]  Apple said, I'm sorry, then you can't sell on our platform and on our app store anymore.
[11:21.280 --> 11:25.280]  And Google said, then you can't sell yourself through Google Play. And eventually Amazon said,
[11:25.280 --> 11:29.120]  we're not going to host your website. And again, I said, on another occasion, we can have maybe a
[11:30.160 --> 11:35.520]  higher elevated conversation about big tech and conservative thought generally. But this is not
[11:35.520 --> 11:41.680]  that case. Parler was asked to put in place a system that, as I said, in my entire life,
[11:41.680 --> 11:45.600]  every single media company of any kind, radio, television, print, whatever,
[11:45.600 --> 11:57.120]  has always had that standard. And Parler was asked to put that standard in place and didn't.