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[00:00.000 --> 00:02.140]  I'm Dave Champion.
[00:02.140 --> 00:09.120]  One of the oddest things that I've noticed since the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak has been the
[00:09.120 --> 00:18.280]  propensity for members of the public to jump on a trendy bandwagon, even to the extent
[00:18.280 --> 00:24.200]  of saying things, which are blatant lies, in order to be part of the trendiness.
[00:24.200 --> 00:26.600]  Let me give you an example.
[00:26.600 --> 00:33.560]  Back when the death toll for the entire United States was, I think, about 36,000, there were
[00:33.560 --> 00:40.880]  people all over social media saying, oh yeah, I know a bunch of people who've died of COVID-19.
[00:40.880 --> 00:46.440]  One gentleman on my personal Facebook page, again, back when it was like 36,000 people
[00:46.440 --> 00:52.920]  dead, said something to the effect that three of his immediate family members were dead.
[00:53.200 --> 00:59.440]  I pointed out to him that the odds of him knowing, at that point in history, even one
[00:59.440 --> 01:05.720]  person who died of COVID-19, no less three, were, concerning one person, the odds were
[01:05.720 --> 01:08.200]  greater that he'd be struck by lightning.
[01:08.200 --> 01:13.120]  The fact that he knew three, or claimed to know three people in his immediate family,
[01:13.120 --> 01:17.420]  no less, that had died of COVID-19, that the odds were something like that he'd be struck
[01:17.420 --> 01:20.440]  by lightning in his life like seven times.
[01:20.920 --> 01:23.880]  Clearly, this is nonsense.
[01:23.880 --> 01:28.880]  And he responded that I was callous to his loss, to his grieving.
[01:28.880 --> 01:33.520]  Yeah, okay, so he was kicked off the page for being a lying sack of crap.
[01:33.520 --> 01:38.240]  But that illustrates how people want to jump on, and they want to make these claims, and
[01:38.240 --> 01:42.040]  they want to be part of the situation.
[01:42.040 --> 01:47.200]  Even if they're lying, the latest thing now is for people to claim that they know somebody
[01:47.240 --> 01:50.720]  who's been reinfected.
[01:58.400 --> 02:06.560]  On November 20th, 2020, a study was released that dealt with almost 10 million people
[02:06.560 --> 02:08.800]  concerning SARS-CoV-2 in China.
[02:08.800 --> 02:16.840]  The study has so many really meaningful things to share.
[02:17.000 --> 02:24.640]  But I just want to focus on one today, and that deals with this reinfection claim.
[02:24.640 --> 02:35.320]  Over a 19-day period, Chinese medical officials tested 34,424 people who they knew had already
[02:35.320 --> 02:40.380]  been infected with SARS-CoV-2, and a sufficient period of time had passed that they could
[02:40.380 --> 02:42.960]  be presumed to have recovered.
[02:43.000 --> 02:51.520]  Of that 34,424 people that were tested who had previously been infected, they found 107
[02:51.520 --> 02:53.560]  showed up as reinfected.
[02:53.560 --> 03:00.280]  So if we take that just at face value, that means we're talking about three-tenths of
[03:00.280 --> 03:04.120]  one percent reinfected, right?
[03:04.120 --> 03:05.560]  But is that true?
[03:05.560 --> 03:06.560]  No.
[03:06.600 --> 03:13.720]  It turns out it's not true, because the Chinese officials then took cultures, viral cultures
[03:13.720 --> 03:22.040]  from those 107 people and found zero viable virus.
[03:22.040 --> 03:27.680]  So what the test was finding were what we call virus fragments.
[03:27.680 --> 03:31.920]  I don't want to get into the whole thing about is a virus alive, but that's why we use the
[03:31.920 --> 03:33.200]  term viable.
[03:33.200 --> 03:38.800]  Once your immune system has killed the virus, it goes from this singular object, and it
[03:38.800 --> 03:42.800]  breaks apart into little bits and fragments.
[03:42.800 --> 03:47.880]  In a person whose body is functioning correctly, the macrophage function of the body will eventually
[03:47.880 --> 03:49.320]  clear those out.
[03:49.320 --> 03:56.280]  However, yeah, if you've got a severely compromised immune process in your body to begin with,
[03:56.280 --> 04:00.960]  it is possible, perhaps even likely, that the macrophage function is also compromised.
[04:00.960 --> 04:05.720]  So these fragments are floating around in the tissue, in the blood, and so forth.
[04:05.720 --> 04:11.680]  The PCR testing was finding virus fragments, because when they did the culture test, they
[04:11.680 --> 04:16.600]  found no viable viruses.
[04:16.600 --> 04:22.560]  So to recap these stats, 34,424 people who had previously been known to have been be
[04:22.560 --> 04:24.840]  infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
[04:24.840 --> 04:30.760]  Of that number, they came up with 107 who showed by testing to be reinfected, but when
[04:30.760 --> 04:37.280]  they did further testing on those 107 reinfected persons, they found no viable virus.
[04:37.280 --> 04:40.880]  The PCR testing was picking up virus fragments.
[04:40.880 --> 04:46.120]  In other words, in that group, it initially looked like there was 107 people, three-tenths
[04:46.120 --> 04:50.720]  of one percent had been reinfected, but then upon further testing, they determined that
[04:50.720 --> 04:57.280]  there was zero reinfections out of that pool of 34,424 people.
[04:57.280 --> 05:05.640]  So now, am I saying that no one on the planet Earth has ever been reinfected with SARS-CoV-2?
[05:05.640 --> 05:07.000]  No, I'm not saying that.
[05:07.000 --> 05:08.000]  I'll give you an example.
[05:08.000 --> 05:12.680]  One of the early cases that seems credible concerning reinfection was a woman who had
[05:12.680 --> 05:16.120]  been struggling with cancer for five years.
[05:16.120 --> 05:23.160]  She had just completed yet another round of chemo, and obviously her immune system was
[05:23.160 --> 05:26.080]  utterly and completely at this point destroyed.
[05:26.080 --> 05:34.400]  And she showed up after, I don't know what it was, 60 or 90 days of testing negative.
[05:34.400 --> 05:38.040]  She suddenly came up positive again.
[05:38.040 --> 05:42.240]  But you have to understand her immune system was utterly and completely destroyed.
[05:42.240 --> 05:43.440]  It was a wreck.
[05:43.440 --> 05:45.040]  So we take a look at something like that.
[05:45.040 --> 05:49.220]  And how does that compare to the rest of the people on Earth?
[05:49.220 --> 05:53.860]  How many other people in society have been battling cancer for five years, have gone
[05:53.860 --> 06:01.940]  through numerous sessions of chemotherapy, and just came out of yet another one and get
[06:01.940 --> 06:02.940]  reinfected?
[06:02.940 --> 06:05.860]  Yeah, it doesn't happen.
[06:05.860 --> 06:07.340]  I'm not saying it never happens.
[06:07.340 --> 06:15.380]  I'm pointing out the circumstances have to be so specific and so unusual to actually
[06:15.380 --> 06:18.140]  create a case of reinfection.
[06:18.140 --> 06:22.820]  So how many cases of reinfection are there?
[06:22.820 --> 06:24.740]  Well, nobody knows.
[06:24.740 --> 06:28.900]  But I crunched the numbers to the best of my ability.
[06:28.900 --> 06:29.900]  I'm not saying they're perfect.
[06:29.900 --> 06:31.780]  I'm not saying they're absolutely factual.
[06:31.780 --> 06:32.940]  I'm being very clear.
[06:32.940 --> 06:36.980]  I crunched the numbers based on the information I could obtain.
[06:36.980 --> 06:40.180]  And the closest I could come, and there's no precise numbers here, the closest I could
[06:40.180 --> 06:46.260]  come is maybe a couple thousand reinfections worldwide, right?
[06:46.260 --> 06:49.700]  And how many people have been infected with the virus worldwide?
[06:49.700 --> 06:55.620]  Well, again, we don't know exactly, because there's a huge distinction between the number
[06:55.620 --> 06:59.420]  of people who have been tested, the number of people who've actually been infected.
[06:59.420 --> 07:05.620]  By my estimates, just my estimates, it appears we're sneaking up, we're heading towards
[07:05.620 --> 07:09.500]  1 billion people being infected.
[07:09.500 --> 07:15.740]  By my estimates, we are certainly well over 800 million people worldwide being infected.
[07:15.740 --> 07:19.220]  So if you have 2,000 that are reinfected, I mean, do the math on that.
[07:19.220 --> 07:22.420]  I didn't sit down and do the math before I decided to talk to you today.
[07:22.420 --> 07:27.060]  But I mean, we're talking like 0.00000000 something.
[07:27.060 --> 07:32.540]  It's so infinitesimally small, it's what statisticians would call statistically insignificant.
[07:32.540 --> 07:35.380]  So why are we seeing so much of this now from the media?
[07:35.380 --> 07:41.260]  Well, you know the answer is, what was I do?
[07:41.260 --> 07:43.820]  Fear promotes ratings.
[07:43.820 --> 07:46.180]  Stories promote advertising rates.
[07:46.180 --> 07:52.020]  So that means the media gets more money from its advertisers the longer you watch, the
[07:52.020 --> 07:56.140]  more times you return to the website, the longer you spend on the website, the more
[07:56.140 --> 08:00.060]  times you click on their stories, they get more money.
[08:00.060 --> 08:02.740]  I mean, that's the bottom line.
[08:02.740 --> 08:06.500]  Media was never like just thoroughly imbued with integrity.
[08:06.500 --> 08:11.280]  But since social media, where everything is now a click, everything is now how long can
[08:11.520 --> 08:14.080]  you stay on this platform?
[08:14.080 --> 08:17.000]  Since those days, yeah, media companies, they have a choice.
[08:17.000 --> 08:20.360]  They can go out of business or they can get into the click game.
[08:20.360 --> 08:28.080]  So fear drives people to stay longer, look at more pages, click more, view longer.
[08:28.080 --> 08:34.920]  And that drives up the per minute or per incident advertising rate.
[08:34.920 --> 08:39.680]  These platforms, these websites, these companies can charge their advertisers.
[08:39.680 --> 08:46.000]  There's a financial incentive for these media companies to make you as fearful as possible.
[08:46.000 --> 08:47.000]  So that is why.
[08:47.000 --> 08:50.800]  And of course, government loves it because then government, once you're afraid, then
[08:50.800 --> 08:52.760]  you'll do anything the government says, right?
[08:52.760 --> 08:54.380]  That's how that's always worked.
[08:54.380 --> 09:00.860]  So what's happening is the media is saying, OK, we have this potential story.
[09:00.860 --> 09:03.740]  We don't really need to tell the truth about it.
[09:03.740 --> 09:07.680]  We don't need to break down the numbers like Dave Champion just did.
[09:07.680 --> 09:14.440]  We can just focus on saying, look, these people were reinfected.
[09:14.440 --> 09:19.400]  The way the public's mind works is if you can point to four or five or eight, that's
[09:19.400 --> 09:24.680]  as good as a hundred thousand because that four or five or eight are merely in the minds
[09:24.680 --> 09:30.800]  of the public illustrative of all the others that are not highlighted in the article.
[09:30.800 --> 09:31.800]  Yeah.
[09:31.800 --> 09:33.160]  But that's not happening.
[09:33.160 --> 09:40.640]  So where we're at now is where at one time, nine months ago, to a certain kind of person,
[09:40.640 --> 09:46.680]  it was considered trendy to say, oh, I know people who died of COVID-19 today.
[09:46.680 --> 09:51.240]  Now it's trendy to promote the argument, oh, yeah, I know people who've been reinfected
[09:51.240 --> 09:52.240]  with SARS-CoV-2.
[09:52.240 --> 09:53.400]  Yeah, absolutely.
[09:53.400 --> 09:54.840]  I know that.
[09:54.840 --> 09:57.440]  No, they absolutely do not.
[09:57.440 --> 10:00.600]  One of the things that would help, too, is when you're this would help generally, but
[10:00.600 --> 10:08.760]  especially when you're trying to detect reinfection, ratchet down the amplification cycle threshold.
[10:08.760 --> 10:14.960]  That's really critical because the tests are picking up the RNA of the virus fragments,
[10:14.960 --> 10:15.960]  right?
[10:15.960 --> 10:17.440]  And fragments are obviously smaller.
[10:17.440 --> 10:22.640]  There's fewer of them than when you actually have an active case with viable viruses.
[10:22.640 --> 10:26.520]  If you turn those amplifications down, the standard's about 43 cycles.
[10:26.560 --> 10:32.840]  If you turn that down to, say, 30, 32, 33, maybe 35, you wouldn't be picking up the RNA
[10:32.840 --> 10:35.040]  from the fragments, right?
[10:35.040 --> 10:42.960]  And then I'm guessing the claims of reinfection would fall to worldwide, maybe a couple hundred.
[10:42.960 --> 10:47.320]  So I just wanted to talk with you today about the fact that when you see these stories in
[10:47.320 --> 10:53.080]  the media and when you see people on social media talking about reinfection, yeah, so
[10:53.080 --> 10:54.080]  no.